Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ACC1224]

But that isn't new.

Stupid has been strong in this fanbase forever.

Social media acceptance maybe?

LinkedIn is now a political cesspool. Some of my ex-coworkers seem like whackjobs now, with their LinkedIn posts.

League leading

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Man the people here aren't too bright. Other than myself of course

 

[leafs in five]

Man the people here aren't too bright. Other than myself of course

AI also knows his shit

 

[Gabriel426]

Read it on the mainboard or Reddit.


Let’s say MM signs for 11.5mil(Willie’s contract)
And Holmberg or whichever 4th liner at 1mil.
That’s 12.5mil.

Instead of that, you use 8.5mil to sign Brock Boser, who is a better goal scorer but not a better overall player than MM, esp on PK and defence. But you use the remaining 4 mil to sign Brown or Tanev.

Which combo is better for the Leafs at the same caphit, Boeser and Brown/Tanev or MM and an average 4th liner?

 

[Shanwhatplan]

William’s deal is fair for a 40 goal scorer, in 3 years his last 4 will be one of the best bargains in the league, except maybe the odd elc. Certainly when it will be compared to ufa players. In 3 years if all goes well Mitch may want 18 to 20.

And some GM will be stupid enough to give it to him.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Treliving is the one who signed the contracts and failed the Marner negotiations, so not sure what you're talking about.

He was at some things, but hiring Treliving was pretty bad.

Thanks for pointing that out, lol. Obviously I was talking about their last contracts. Also, it may surprise you, but I’m sure Shanahan had lots to do with their current ones.

 

[Mess]

Would your boss give you a raise again if they gave you a big one before and got the same results from you as before?

Nope in fact it appears its Leafs management that has decided the outcome not Mitch.,

Looks like Mitch Marner is getting fired not re-hired!!!!

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Matthews gets money and term he wants no matter where he is. Just like McDavid would.

Problem is Marner thinks he is as important as Matthews. He found it out the hard way in 2019 thay nobody else does, when no team would give him the 3 year contract he wanted.

Yes, Matthews deserves all that, especially since he (and Marner) have never had to be accountable for anything since they arrived here. And to top it off, Matthews makes the quote about “too many passengers” after both he and Marner shit the bed once again when push came to shove against the Panthers.

 

[Antropovsky]

But that isn't new.

Stupid has been strong in this fanbase forever.

Social media acceptance maybe?

LinkedIn is now a political cesspool. Some of my ex-coworkers seem like whackjobs now, with their LinkedIn posts.

You know the marner hate is completely ridiculous when people would rather have bennet at $10 mil.

You dont understand why people may want Bennett over Marner.... cant think of any reason at all? Not one?

Bennett:

Marner:

Bennett shot locations:

Marner shot locations:

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Treliving is the one who signed the contracts and failed the Marner negotiations, so not sure what you're talking about.

He was at some things, but hiring Treliving was pretty bad.

Isn’t it funny that Tre is still here and Shanahan is finally on his way out!

 

[Mess]

If it makes you happy Dekes, they can fire Treliving too. Just like every other coach and executive in Toronto that bet their career on Mitch. What’s one more casualty?

Lou Lam fired
Mike Babcock fired
Mark Hunter fired
Kyle Dubas fired
Sheldon Keefe fired
Now Brendan Shanahan fired

All this to flush out the weakest link of the plan Mitch Marner and now show him the door.

Took nearly a decade to flush out the problem, but like the saying goes " better later than never".

We're finally moving on, after coming to the right choice after running back the core for the past 9 years, while hoping for different results,

 

[IPS]

We should be firing him for being so incompetent that he let one of the best players in the league and franchise history - that had wanted to stay here - walk for nothing in his prime.

Why? It only took Treliving 2 years to get further than Dubas ever did in the playoffs.

You got atleast 3 more years of whining about Treliving so hopefully you find some new material.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes, Matthews deserves all that, especially since he (and Marner) have never had to be accountable for anything since they arrived here. And to top it off, Matthews makes the quote about “too many passengers” after both he and Marner shit the bed once again when push came to shove against the Panthers.

Matthews has a full trophy case....
3 rockets
1 Calder
1 Lindsay
1 Hart

1 Selke finalist
Also Lindsay finalist

Matthews sustains his dominant play with any winger
Matthews is in the physical areas of the ice

Marner
1x Selke finalist

Numbers drop to average/below average without Matthews
Thinks he doesnt have to play in the physical areas of the ice


Marners name doesnt belong in the same sentence as Matthews.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

As funny as it is to see you try to represent a holdout as signing in season, what other players choose to do is irrelevant. Some players are fine signing in-season. Some players aren't. It's up to them. Treliving gave Matthews and Nylander everything they wanted, and they never had to deal with the same kind of disrespect. Heck, trying to trade him would have been better than the stupid games they actually opted for. It's an obvious point, but if you're competent at managing a team, little procedural complications like no in-season signings don't really matter.

Marner has taken every abuse that this team, city, and fanbase could throw at him over the years in stride, and stayed loyal, committed, and philanthropic throughout. Goes out there and does his job, better than most people in the league, and all he asks for is what he's earned.

It’s just too bad he could never do it when it mattered the most (and yes, I include the other two in that)!

 

[IPS]

Matthews has a full trophy case....
3 rockets
1 Calder
1 Lindsay
1 Hart

1 Selke finalist
Also Lindsay finalist

Matthews sustains his dominant play with any winger
Matthews is in the physical areas of the ice

Marner
1x Selke finalist

Numbers drop to average/below average without Matthews
Thinks he doesnt have to play in the physical areas of the ice


Marners name doesnt belong in the same sentence as Matthews.

The best goal scorers in the league have always gotten a far higher salary than standard point producers. Matthews is the best goal scorer since Ovi, so thus he got a far higher salary than what point totals would indicate.

It is f***ing amazing these smooth brains still can't process this. We had literally the only GM in the league in Dubas who didn't/wouldn't laugh him out of the room when he demanded Matthews be his comparable.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Matthews has a full trophy case....
3 rockets
1 Calder
1 Lindsay
1 Hart

1 Selke finalist
Also Lindsay finalist

Matthews sustains his dominant play with any winger
Matthews is in the physical areas of the ice

Marner
1x Selke finalist

Numbers drop to average/below average without Matthews
Thinks he doesnt have to play in the physical areas of the ice


Marners name doesnt belong in the same sentence as Matthews.

It does in terms of how many playoff series they have both won here in 9 seasons.But you’re right about Marner not being in the same stratosphere as Matthews.

 

[IPS]

I've still never seen a winger convert their game to what is essentially a 3rd defensemen on the ice in the postseason. Ridiculously low goals, shot totals, and any sort of high danger chances near the net. I actually lost count how many times Knies bulldozed through players to get a loose puck only for Mitch to be high in the zone waiting for Knies to do all the work and get him the puck.

 

[Antropovsky]

It does in terms of how many playoff series they have both won here in 9 seasons.But you’re right about Marner not being in the same stratosphere as Matthews.

Examine this play, and ask yourself, how this effects Marners linemates? Marner is 6' closer to the puck than McCavoy...but Marner just lets him have it and Boston easily clears the zone.

How can anyone not think that this wouldnt prevent Matthews from producing in the playoffs?

Look at Marners playoff shot locations....

Now compare Marners shot locations to Rantanen, who makes 1.8 million less than Marner:

Matthews is effectively playing 5v4 when Marner is on the icr because Marner just hangs out on the perimeter.

Watch the playoffs, the games are being won in the slot, not by wingers standing on the perimeter.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Matthews has a full trophy case....
3 rockets
1 Calder
1 Lindsay
1 Hart

1 Selke finalist
Also Lindsay finalist

Matthews sustains his dominant play with any winger
Matthews is in the physical areas of the ice

Marner
1x Selke finalist

Numbers drop to average/below average without Matthews
Thinks he doesnt have to play in the physical areas of the ice


Marners name doesnt belong in the same sentence as Matthews.

Matthews is obviously better but by no means is he off the hook, he's been pretty underwhelming when it counts. Change is needed, I no longer care about regular season success, put together a team of males who will compete and not shy away like cowards.

Leafs core in Game 5-6-7 (2019-2025)
Nylander 20GP - 8G - 8A
MATTHEWS 18GP - 8G - 4A
TAVARES 17GP 5G - 5A
MARNER 20GP - 0G - 7A

 

[ULF_55]

We should be firing him for being so incompetent that he let one of the best players in the league and franchise history - that had wanted to stay here - walk for nothing in his prime.

marner was only interested in the most money.

He had plenty of opportunity to re-sign, but it never was enough.

Everyone should be happy.

Looks like a win-win.

It isn't like he was the difference between a Cup and no Cup.

 

[Antropovsky]

Matthews is obviously better but by no means is he off the hook, he's been pretty underwhelming when it counts. Change is needed, I no longer care about regular season success, put together a team of males who will compete and not shy away like cowards.

Leafs core in Game 5-6-7 (2019-2025)
Nylander 20GP - 8G - 8A
MATTHEWS 18GP - 8G - 4A
TAVARES 17GP 5G - 5A
MARNER 20GP - 0G - 7A

@ULF_55 , @ACC1224

Tell us again about how posters are "stupid" to want to walk away from paying Marner 14 million?

20 game 5-6-7 since 2019 and Marner has 0 goals!

Here is his pace in games 5-6-7
82 0 goals 28 assists 28 points

Yep absolutely moronic to think there is better use of 13+ million!

 

[58 Years No Cup]

14 million for Marner……oh My God. Is he as good as Draisaitl?
Not even close.
Marner might be the 25th ranked player in the league and some want to give him 14 per year.
Ya it sucks to losing a player for nothing but with his disappearing act in the later stages of the playoff rounds I don’t even want him back period

At any price. It's like wanting cancer back after you've beat it.

 

[IPS]

Examine this play, and ask yourself, how this effects Marners linemates? Marner is 6' closer to the puck than McCavoy...but Marner just lets him have it and Boston easily clears the zone.

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How can anyone not think that this wouldnt prevent Matthews from producing in the playoffs?

Look at Marners playoff shot locations....
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Now compare Marners shot locations to Rantanen, who makes 1.8 million less than Marner:

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Matthews is effectively playing 5v4 when Marner is on the icr because Marner just hangs out on the perimeter.

Watch the playoffs, the games are being won in the slot, not by wingers standing on the perimeter.

Draisaitl - one of the premier playoff performers of this era. Take a wild guess where he does his best work.

Hint: it's the exact opposite of Marner. Premier playoff performers are almost always the ones who thrive down low in the zone, taking punishment, maintaining possession, and working from there. Marner is the antithesis to all of this.

 

[ULF_55]

@ULF_55 , @ACC1224

Tell us again about how posters are "stupid" to want to walk away from paying Marner 14 million?

20 game 5-6-7 since 2019 and Marner has 0 goals!

Here is his pace in games 5-6-7
82 0 goals 28 assists 28 points

Yep absolutely moronic to think here is better use of 13+ million!

Not stupid for that reason.

Just generally.

My question, if you want to get to brass tacks, why so much hate towards this particular player? Has he brought it on himself?

May be the most polarizing player ever?

 

[IPS]

My question, if you want to get to brass tacks, why so much hate towards this particular player? Has he brought it on himself?

The better question to ask - why don't Nylander and Matthews get anywhere near the attention?