Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Maple Leaf]

Rantanen literally single handily carried dallas past colorado these past playoffs. Mitch Marner has never carried the leafs to a series win. Can't even recall a playoff game that he single handily dominated.

I'm sure these guys will cook up some stats to make Marner look good

 

[Dekes For Days]

“That would be a goal,” Marner said when he was asked if he wants to stay in Toronto longterm. “I’ve expressed my love for this place, this city. I grew up here. We’ll start thinking about that now and trying to figure something out.” Sounds like every quote he's said when asked if he wants to stay here and never just I want to sign here.

"With speculation swirling about Marner’s status after another early start to the summer for the Leafs, the home-grown winger said on Monday that it “means the world” to play in Toronto. ...“That would be a goal,” Marner said when he was asked if he wants to stay in Toronto longterm. “I’ve expressed my love for this place, this city. I grew up here. We’ll start thinking about that now and trying to figure something out.” ... "We’re looked upon as, you know, kind of gods here to be honest,” Marner said. “Something that you really appreciate and the love that you get here from this fan base and this attention is unlike any other. You saw with the Raps a couple years ago (when the Toronto Raptors won the NBA championship in 2019), the love that they still have for a lot of those players … That’s kind of the love you want.”"

That's a pretty clear statement showing a desire to stay, and that he is open to doing so, but it's pretty funny to see you and your friends pretend he wasn't because he didn't say it in the exact specific way you want.

We wouldn't overpay for him so they closed down negotiations during the season knowing they were gonna test FA if management didn't give him what he wanted.

There is no evidence of any of that. Marner has never been open to signing in-season.

The lamest excuse a player can give is he wouldn't negotiate in season when he has nothing to do with that and it's his agent.

Of course he has something to do with it. It's his contract. The lamest excuse a GM can give is he wouldn't negotiate in season when he was fully aware of the situation and had plenty of time to get a contract done.

He got what he wanted once and we got nothing in return.

Both team and player got what they wanted once, and both team and player benefited from it. We could have had that mutually beneficial agreement again, but Treliving screwed it up.

 

[Mess]

Rantanen literally single handily carried dallas past colorado these past playoffs. Mitch Marner has never carried the leafs to a series win. Can't even recall a playoff game that he single handily dominated.

Rantanen Game Log Games #5-7 .. He scores 5 goals 6 assists 11 points to lead Dallas.

Game #7 with Colorado up 2-0 into the 3rd.. Mikko comes back with 3 goals and assist in the 3rd,

The play of Rantanen embarrasses Marner at every turn and Leafs Nation wished Marner would show up like Mikko Rantanen does.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm sure these guys will cook up some stats to make Marner look good

They'll have to ignore everything after game 4 in any playoff series....

 

[Dreakmur]

There is no evidence of any of that. Marner has never been open to signing in-season.

You can hide behind that all you want, but if he really wanted to stay here, he would have accepted the great contract offer he received mid-season.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Treliving had two options - sign Marner to a team-crippling contract or let him walk for nothing.

Or he could have just signed him to a fair contract.

You can hide behind that all you want, but if he really wanted to stay here, he would have accepted the great contract offer he received mid-season.

There is no evidence that he received a "great contract offer" mid-season or in the offseason when it actually mattered. If management was competent, they wouldn't have had any issue respecting Marner's choice.

 

[Trapper]

Or he could have just signed him to a fair contract.

There is no evidence that he received a "great contract offer" mid-season or in the offseason when it actually mattered. If management was competent, they wouldn't have had any issue respecting Marner's choice.

What do you consider fair?
How much would you pay/year?

 

[Dreakmur]

Or he could have just signed him to a fair contract.

That isn't an option.

There is no evidence that he received a "great contract offer" mid-season or in the offseason when it actually mattered. If management was competent, they wouldn't have had any issue respecting Marner's choice.

Anything that supports your opinion is rock-solid evidence, and everything that opposes your opinion is questionable.... no point even having discussions [MOD]

 

[Mess]

You can hide behind that all you want, but if he really wanted to stay here, he would have accepted the great contract offer he received mid-season.

There is all these rumours of a mid season offer to Marner to retain the asset.

How do we know a smart GM like Treliving wasn't only offering a limited NTC and not full NMC?

Now that might be a reason Marner didn't sign it, but it would have opened the door for a re-sign and BT could have started shopping him in trade now after July 1st,

Right now Treliving is holding all the cards and is determining the outcome.

 

[Bust]

Rantanen literally single handily carried dallas past colorado these past playoffs. Mitch Marner has never carried the leafs to a series win. Can't even recall a playoff game that he single handily dominated.

I remember when Marner fans argued with me about me claiming Marner’s previous contract (10.9) being an over payment. I referenced the Rantanen contract as what should have been the ceiling for Marner. I was told that Marner was a far superior player hence the higher AAV.

Boy was I right.

 

[Stephen]

I'm confident that you'll pretend that the reasons for his departure are trivial and all Marner's fault, even when they're not.

Management didn't need to coddle him or walk on eggshells. They just needed to not be stupid, disrespectful, and incompetent. Wanting to avoid the distraction of negotiations in-season is perfectly reasonable.

I'm pretty happy Marner is not coming back, so I'm just pointing this out as a matter of fact on my feelings on the character and motives of this player.

Auston Matthews signed one of his contracts in the summer, and the other in-season. William Nylander techncially signed both contracts in-season at different months of the year. Even Morgan Rielly signed his deal somewhere around Halloween when so much is going on... can you imagine the distractions?

It's an obvious point, but if you're committed to a team, loyal to a city and your heart is in a place... those little procedural complications like when to negotiate, if the management team has kowtowed enough, kissed your ring enough (wait you don't have one) don't really matter. Oh but you'll point to the fact that they tried to trade him, egads! So blindsided! Well, it's hockey and the Leafs tried to trade Mats Sundin once or twice for Rob Blake and Eric Lindros so don't act so wounded every time business happens.

Finally, all I can say about this whole Mitch Marner experience is the guy takes little offenses and builds it up into massive contract asks and it's so weak. It would actually be more respectable if he was just confidently the mercenary that he always has been.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If anything the offseason and free agency present many other variables to consider other than money and term. Do I want to move to that city, play for that coach, play with the guys on that team. Many get it decided in a day but some are easily distracted and need quite a bit of time to digest the ramifications of their decision.

Every signing consists of those and many other variables to consider other than money and term. Free agency is in the offseason, after players have had weeks to months home with their family focusing on these variables.

I’m pretty sure Tre has no interest in extending Mitch.

He did. Sounds like he screwed it up.

What do you consider fair? How much would you pay/year?

You're definitely in the 14m range for a player like Marner and a 95.5m cap, and it should have been easily manageable in this rapidly rising cap environment.

 

[keonsbitterness]

In addition to Nylander negotiating and signing his current contract in-season, Matthews did the same with his RFA deal. So it's not a distraction at all for guys who really want to be here.

 

[Trapper]

Every signing consists of those and many other variables to consider other than money and term. Free agency is in the offseason, after players have had weeks to months home with their family focusing on these variables.

He did. Sounds like he screwed it up.

You're definitely in the 14m range for a player like Marner and a 95.5m cap, and it should have been easily manageable in this rapidly rising cap environment.

Pass. I would not pay Marner 14 million. Let someone else do it.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I’ve heard Marner showers with his bathing suit on, even at home. I feel like that should tell you everything.

 

[Trapper]

I’ve heard Marner showers with his bathing suit on, even at home. I feel like that should tell you everything.

I heard he only gets dressed in the dark with his eyes closed.

 

[Stringer Bell]

I heard he only gets dressed in the dark with his eyes closed.

I heard he only gets undressed with ACC1234’s help.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

"With speculation swirling about Marner’s status after another early start to the summer for the Leafs, the home-grown winger said on Monday that it “means the world” to play in Toronto. ...“That would be a goal,” Marner said when he was asked if he wants to stay in Toronto longterm. “I’ve expressed my love for this place, this city. I grew up here. We’ll start thinking about that now and trying to figure something out.” ... "We’re looked upon as, you know, kind of gods here to be honest,” Marner said. “Something that you really appreciate and the love that you get here from this fan base and this attention is unlike any other. You saw with the Raps a couple years ago (when the Toronto Raptors won the NBA championship in 2019), the love that they still have for a lot of those players … That’s kind of the love you want.”"

That's a pretty clear statement showing a desire to stay, and that he is open to doing so, but it's pretty funny to see you and your friends pretend he wasn't because he didn't say it in the exact specific way you want.

There is no evidence of any of that. Marner has never been open to signing in-season.

Of course he has something to do with it. It's his contract. The lamest excuse a GM can give is he wouldn't negotiate in season when he was fully aware of the situation and had plenty of time to get a contract done.

Both team and player got what they wanted once, and both team and player benefited from it. We could have had that mutually beneficial agreement again, but Treliving screwed it up.

Time to admit it, Shanahan and Dubas didn’t have a clue how to negotiate player contracts. Matthews got the money and term he wanted, and now Marner wants the same. Nylander is also overpaid, but at least he signed long term.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Or he could have just signed him to a fair contract.

There is no evidence that he received a "great contract offer" mid-season or in the offseason when it actually mattered. If management was competent, they wouldn't have had any issue respecting Marner's choice.

But Shanahan sure was “competent”, wasn’t he? Lol

 

[Racer88]

Good news is I have asked the guy building his legend's row statue to stand down. This POS won't be welcomed back by most Leafs fans for a long time.

He will become one of the most despised hated ex leaf of all time.
What a legacy for a kid who wanted to be a leaf

 

[Racer88]

I think the frustrating part for me regarding Tre, Shanny and ownership is if they were not confident that they could not get some sort of return back for Marner in the offseason, then you shouldn't be trading 2 first round picks and 2 near NHL ready prospects at the trade deadline when the prices are at a PEAK and teams are overpaying. Those assets could have atleast been used intelligently to take advantage of other team's cap issues and bring in more well rounded players to replace Marner and add more depth to this team.

Instead we have Marner walking for nothing, barely any assets with minimum picks and a bottom of the league prospect pool, along with a relatively weak UFA class to improve our roster.

Absolute idiocy by the individuals managing this organization.

We can only guess that the management’s mindset is that this might finally be the year that Marner shows up in the playoffs for the big games. Sadly that was not the case. I also think there might have been some overshadowing of Shanny on Treliving regarding the core 4

 

[Confucius]

Time to admit it, Shanahan and Dubas didn’t have a clue how to negotiate player contracts. Matthews got the money and term he wanted, and now Marner wants the same. Nylander is also overpaid, but at least he signed long term.

William’s deal is fair for a 40 goal scorer, in 3 years his last 4 will be one of the best bargains in the league, except maybe the odd elc. Certainly when it will be compared to ufa players. In 3 years if all goes well Mitch may want 18 to 20.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Time to admit it, Shanahan and Dubas didn’t have a clue how to negotiate player contracts. Matthews got the money and term he wanted, and now Marner wants the same. Nylander is also overpaid, but at least he signed long term.

Treliving is the one who signed the contracts and failed the Marner negotiations, so not sure what you're talking about.

But Shanahan sure was “competent”, wasn’t he?

He was at some things, but hiring Treliving was pretty bad.

 

[Mess]

Pass. I would not pay Marner 14 million. Let someone else do it.

Leon Draisiatl is about to get paid $14 mil.

He has 4 OT winning goals in this years playoffs alone among the top playoff scorers. In 94 games has 52 goals 88 assists and 140 points :

Draisait has Art Ross and Hart and Rocket & Lindsey etc.

Its a complete joke Marner want's $14 mil when compared to the value Edmonton is getting from $8.5 mil now and willing to pay him $14 mil in the future.

 

[alliuk12]

I remember when Marner fans argued with me about me claiming Marner’s previous contract (10.9) being an over payment. I referenced the Rantanen contract as what should have been the ceiling for Marner. I was told that Marner was a far superior player hence the higher AAV.

Boy was I right.

why aren't the stars in the finals if he's that good