Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Mess]

Under shanahan, it was always a day late and a dollar short, and the reason why he lost his job. He never pivoted, he stuck with the core 4 when he could have changed the dynamic of the team, but he let NMC’s kick in and now see an asset walk out the door for nothing. What a horrendous president. Moron

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It was pure stubbornness on the part of the President and nobody was going to tell him his "We Can, and we will" plan was not going to work, regardless how many people objected.

"We can, and we will," Dubas told Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek on the 31 Thoughts podcast.

If Dubas can lock all three up to long-term contracts, the Leafs will have four of the most skilled forwards in the NHL for years to come. However, to remain a successful team despite four potentially massive contracts, the Leafs will need to continue to draft players who can be competent NHLers on affordable salaries in order to fill out their roster.

Despite the difficulties that lay ahead, Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas and president Brendan Shanahan are confident they'll be able to keep all three of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander.

Only time will tell if they can make it work.

Answer: Only 2 playoff series wins after 9 painful playoff years = NO

 

[Ianturnedbull]

New working title for this thread:

Goodbye Mitch Marner

 

[notDatsyuk]

He talked about it right after the season.

Mitch Marner wants to sign long-term with the Maple Leafs: 'We're looked upon ... as gods'

The Maple Leafs winger can start negotiating with the club on an extension on July 1.

torontosun.com

Not true. It was only that he wouldn't sign in-season. A position he has always held. That's why we needed to prioritize re-signing him last offseason.

It is. It's hilarious how a board that used to tar and feather the GM for breathing is suddenly scrambling to make excuses for a multi-year GM committing one of the worst managerial failures possible - letting one of the best players in the league and franchise history walk for nothing.

The closest he comes saying he wants to sign here is "that would be a goal".

Not "the goal" or "there's no other place" (like one of his teammates), or even "yes".

 

[notDatsyuk]

Letting a 100pt player walk for nothing should be a fireable offense, cya Tre

Letting a 100pt player who disappears in the important games walk for a savings of $13-14M should be a gimmee.

The people responsible for it getting to that point have both been let go - time to move on.

 

[Stephen]

The closest he comes saying he wants to sign here is "that would be a goal".

Not "the goal" or "there's no other place" (like one of his teammates), or even "yes".

Let me preface by saying I don’t want him back. But the normal thing to say for a guy who wants to be a Leaf is “This is where I belong we will figure something out… blah blah blah”. Oh like this guy:

William Nylander says he wants to stay with Toronto Maple Leafs, downplays rush to re-sign | TSN

William Nylander, along with Toronto Maple Leafs star Auston Matthews, became eligible to sign an extension on July 1, but said Wednesday there's no rush to get a deal done.

www.tsn.ca

And before people jump in about the negotiating position. You don’t actually have to negotiate that hard if you truly want to be there.

 

[Divine]

So glad he’s (hopefully) leaving.

This team could not justify giving him the raise he wanted for the results he provides.

Next year’s UFA class isn’t too bad either.

McDavid
Eichel
Kaprizov
Necas
Panarin
J. Robertson
Kyle Connor

Most won’t hit UFA, but maybe 1 or 2 will.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m confident we’ll hear why Marner’s feelings were hurt again this time and I’m confident it’ll add up to something trivial.

I'm confident that you'll pretend that the reasons for his departure are trivial and all Marner's fault, even when they're not.

Why would management need to walk on eggshells to sign a player who was so committed to the city and team though? He’s not able to make life decisions between September and May or something? The level of coddling this guy is just insane.

Management didn't need to coddle him or walk on eggshells. They just needed to not be stupid, disrespectful, and incompetent. Wanting to avoid the distraction of negotiations in-season is perfectly reasonable.

 

[Leaf Fans]

"we're looked upon as gods" oh shit this article again lol... some of the comments are just epic though and couldn't have ended up more right in hindsight...

















and this comment lol



bye Mitch.

Marner never said "we're looked upon as gods"

 

[Leaf Fans]

If he wanted to stay he’d be signed.

Why doesn't Knies want to stay?

 

[Confucius]

I'm confident that you'll pretend that the reasons for his departure are trivial and all Marner's fault, even when they're not.

Management didn't need to coddle him or walk on eggshells. They just needed to not be stupid, disrespectful, and incompetent. Wanting to avoid the distraction of negotiations in-season is perfectly reasonable.

What are the distractions? There is more contract talk by not negotiating. The player hires an agent to negotiate, the player doesn’t have to do anything.

 

[Peasy]

Who will dekes latch onto once both Dubas AND Marner are gone?

 

[Jojalu]

At the end of the day it will be nice not having to think about Marner’s salary ever again.

I feel like it will just shift over to the Arounf the League thread where people will analyze everything he does there.

 

[Hart Nation]

The Toronto Maple Leafs' win record without Austin Matthews is likely 45-24-2.

The team's win record without Mitch Marner seems to be 21-17-5.

Could be an eye opening year for a lot of fans.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm confident that you'll pretend that the reasons for his departure are trivial and all Marner's fault, even when they're not.

If he was willing to sing anything close to a reasonable contract, he would have been singed long ago.

Management didn't need to coddle him or walk on eggshells. They just needed to not be stupid, disrespectful, and incompetent. Wanting to avoid the distraction of negotiations in-season is perfectly reasonable.

Treliving had two options - sign Marner to a team-crippling contract or let him walk for nothing. Both options suck, but letting him walk is less bad.

 

[Brown Dog]

What a waste. There was a path to Marner being one of the greatest Leafs ever--maybe even the greatest. Sad that wasn't enough for him and that he turned out to be such a soulless loser.

 

[IPS]

The Toronto Maple Leafs' win record without Austin Matthews is likely 45-24-2.

The team's win record without Mitch Marner seems to be 21-17-5.

Could be an eye opening year for a lot of fans.

People can yearn the loss of Marner all they want but at the end of the day, the Leafs haven't won jack shit with him.

In the grand perspective, we were already in a place where winning the cup wasn't a realistic possibility.

The sooner we can get into another rebuild the better, what a giant waste this era was.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What are the distractions? There is more contract talk by not negotiating. The player hires an agent to negotiate, the player doesn’t have to do anything.

Agents do the in-person negotiating, but the player still needs to make decisions and communicate throughout. Some players like to put their full focus on hockey. This was not a surprise, and we should have been able to work around it. There is always some contract talk in Toronto, but it's a lot more frequent and direct during active negotiations and post-signing, and there really wasn't much discussion until Treliving pointlessly created a circus at the deadline and put public pressure.

 

[Peasy]

Agents do the in-person negotiating, but the player still needs to make decisions and communicate throughout. Some players like to put their full focus on hockey. This was not a surprise, and we should have been able to work around it. There is always some contract talk in Toronto, but it's a lot more frequent and direct during active negotiations and post-signing, and there really wasn't much discussion until Treliving pointlessly created a circus at the deadline and put public pressure.

Pointlessly?

You think Tre trying to make the team better going forward is pointless?

lmao.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Pointlessly? You think Tre trying to make the team better going forward is pointless?

He wasn't trying to make the team better, and he should have known there was zero chance that Marner was going to leave a competitive Leafs team right before the playoffs with a baby incoming. Stupid and pointless.

Who will dekes latch onto once both Dubas AND Marner are gone?

The real question is who you're going to try and make your scapegoat next.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Agents do the in-person negotiating, but the player still needs to make decisions and communicate throughout. Some players like to put their full focus on hockey. This was not a surprise, and we should have been able to work around it. There is always some contract talk in Toronto, but it's a lot more frequent and direct during active negotiations and post-signing, and there really wasn't much discussion until Treliving pointlessly created a circus at the deadline and put public pressure.

Going to need the bruh soundboard again.

 

[Confucius]

Agents do the in-person negotiating, but the player still needs to make decisions and communicate throughout. Some players like to put their full focus on hockey. This was not a surprise, and we should have been able to work around it. There is always some contract talk in Toronto, but it's a lot more frequent and direct during active negotiations and post-signing, and there really wasn't much discussion until Treliving pointlessly created a circus at the deadline and put public pressure.

How long could it take? lol! It’s just a cop out. Look how fast things get done when free agency opens, it shouldn’t be more than a week. Here is my bottom line, then the agent negotiates. Actually there are more variables when buying a house.

 

[IPS]

Is responding to 1 or 2 text messages at night really a "distraction"? It's 2025 for crying out loud, agents have done the vast majority of the negotiations for a long time now.

 

[Confucius]

Is responding to 1 or 2 text messages at night really a "distraction"? It's 2025 for crying out loud, agents have done the vast majority of the negotiations for a long time now.

The player has made a decision to wait until free agency, it is just a cop out to claim I don’t want to be distracted.

 

[IPS]

The player has made a decision to wait until free agency, it is just a cop out to claim I don’t want to be distracted.

Let alone the reason why trade options were being explored to begin with - because Marner is throwing out completely outrageous demands.

It's literally his own doing and we got the same PR crew member on this board who's literally made it his sole life mission to scapegoat Treliving for literally everything now accusing other people of scapegoating Marner

 

[Peasy]

He wasn't trying to make the team better, and he should have known there was zero chance that Marner was going to leave a competitive Leafs team right before the playoffs with a baby incoming. Stupid and pointless.

The real question is who you're going to try and make your scapegoat next.

Yeah, trying to swap marner for rantanen isnt trying to make the team better. Give me a break. I wonder how many years youll continue to bring up Marner on this board once hes gone.