Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Antropovsky]

If Carolina was willing to trade Rantanen for Marner, have to wonder if it was under the condition that Marner would sign a contract? Otherwise why trade Rantanen for another player who doesnt want to sign? I get that they talked to Rantanen and were convinced that he couldn't be swayed. We're they willing to see if Marner could be swayed?

Would've been nice to land the same package that Rantanen got. Would've definitely helped rebuild the asset pool.

- Logan Stankoven
- a conditional first-round pick in the 2026 NHL Draft
- a conditional first-round pick in the 2028 NHL Draft
- a third-round pick in the 2026 draft
- and a third-round pick in the 2027 NHL Draft.

 

[Antropovsky]

1. I live in Calgary. It sucks cock. Coming back soon.

2. Probably the last thing a millionaire would look at. Affordable/livable means great for the average Joe blow and surrounded with little upper class.

I bought into the appeal of Calgary and moved for a situation where I can grow significantly but am electing to come back. I’m curious to see this list in 2-3 years time. Pricing is crazy, Banff is becoming an overcrowded dump and Calgary city homeless/opioid infested.

I was at multiple of the Oilers playoff games, including game 1 SCF. If you want Alberta, that is the only option. In the west it’s ABC (anything but Calgary, and that’s even true in Calgary). All of Sask, most of Alberta and even a large part of BC cheer oil. Calgary will likely never be competitive. Awful owner, awful city, suburbs that mainly appeal to middle class and a very quiet overall place.

Saying all this, a guy with a loser mentality like Marner may actually love it lol.

Marner won't go to Calgary.

Now that there are rumors, Dallas is clearing space, my guess is them.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Marner won't go to Calgary.

Now that there are rumors, Dallas is clearing space, my guess is them.

I don't see it. Rantanen was their big add. I don't think they can move enough cap to fit in Marner who will cost at best the same as Rantanen.

 

[Tak7]

Who is this greatest goal scorer in the game
Are you talking about matthews who is an even bigger playoff choker than marner. You mean the six foot three two hundred and twenty five pound center who is the highest paid player in the league but can’t carry a team to the cup finals. That greatest goal scorer disappears in the playoffs too

I'm talking about the center who has scored more regular season goals than anyone since he entered the league, yes.

You can't deny the logic of choosing to play out a contract year next to Auston Matthews, for a guy driven my financial incentives.

 

[Tak7]

Already confirmed that Shanahan prohibited any core trades.

It's never been confirmed.

If Shanahan prohibited any core trades, why was Treliving trying hard to trade Nylander for a D .... ?

They did talk with Vegas and possibly others, presumably after it was known by the rest of the league that Leafs-Marner negotiations had stalled. But based on Marner refusing to waive for Rantanen, it's very possible he would have rejected any trade proposal.

He was never asked to waive. We know what his camp, and these insiders are like - if he had been asked, we would have known about it by now.

A team that still sees itself in win-now mode is not going make it uncomfortable for a star player.

Why not? Tampa won a cup and immediately started looking for ways to push guys out so they could retool. The Rangers won the President's Trophy and went to the Conference Finals and did the same thing.

Should the Leafs have offered more than $13.5 million?

They never got to $13.5m in the first place, but likely no.

 

[Kalaish26]

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

The Maple Leafs, Vegas Golden Knights, and Carolina Hurricanes discussed a three-way trade before the 2025 deadline that would've sent Mitch Marner to Vegas and Mikko Rantanen to Toronto, league sources told The Athletic's James Mirtle.However, Vegas and Carolina were apparently unable to find...

thescore.com

Seems like Marner and his camp have been leaking these things since the trade deadline to put the blame on Leafs management when Marner leaves. Where were all these reports last summer lol?

Although wishful thinking, hopefully we can get some assets (anything!?) back for Marner aside from the cap-space, especially with the state of our draft capital/prospect pool. Absolute joke of management/ownership for putting the team in this situation.

 

[Antropovsky]

It's never been confirmed.

If Shanahan prohibited any core trades, why was Treliving trying hard to trade Nylander for a D .... ?



He was never asked to waive. We know what his camp, and these insiders are like - if he had been asked, we would have known about it by now.




Why not? Tampa won a cup and immediately started looking for ways to push guys out so they could retool. The Rangers won the President's Trophy and went to the Conference Finals and did the same thing.



They never got to $13.5m in the first place, but likely no.

Agreed - Its the final year of his contract. Its not like it was year 2 of an 8 year contract.

Leafs reportedly gave him their best offer

Marner didnt like the Leafs best offer and reportedly wouldn't negotiate.

.... then why not allow the team to move-on?

Its obvious...because he wants to do the same thing he did last contract. Make the leafs as uncomfortable as possible to get the very best deal he possibly can get.

- His and his wife families are from T.O
- he has his charity here that employs his entire family
- he has a restaurant here he started with O'Leary
- he has endorsement deals here, he wont get elsewhere
- the 8th year he can only get here
- 13.5 million i assume only a few teams will offer.
- he loses his legacy in Toronto, jersey hanging, possible statue...etc
- He is insulated by Matthews and Nylander here.

Gonna be hard to find better than he was offered here!

Let him walk Brad!!!

 

[Tak7]

Agreed - Its the final year of his contract. Its not like it was year 2 of an 8 year contract.

Leafs reportedly gave him their best offer

Marner didnt like the Leafs best offer and reportedly wouldn't negotiate.

.... then why not allow the team to move-on?

Its obvious...because he wants to do the same thing he did last contract. Make the leafs as uncomfortable as possible to get the very best deal he possibly can get.

- His and his wife families are from T.O
- he has his charity here that employs his entire family
- he has a restaurant here he started with O'Leary
- he has endorsement deals here, he wont get elsewhere
- the 8th year he can only get here
- 13.5 million i assume only a few teams will offer.
- he loses his legacy in Toronto, jersey hanging, possible statue...etc
- He is insulated by Matthews and Nylander here.

Gonna be hard to find better than he was offered here!

Let him walk Brad!!!

He was never put in a position where he was able to allow the team to move-on.

Asking him to waive his NMC days before the trade deadline was amateur hour by the Leafs. It's also worth noting that they only did that because Carolina came to THEM about a potential trade. This wasn't a situation where the Leafs were shopping him around, found a trade they liked, and then presented it to Mitch.

Which is where my criticism of Brad enters the equation - the way this has played out was always the most likely outcome in this scenario. When I mentioned it last summer though, people seemed to get upset and were convinced he was going to resign here. I said he was as good as gone.

Which is why it should have been a priority to try and move him.

Brad has now been the GM who has overseen two superstars walking out on his team for nothing, and a third superstar that he couldn't convince to stay & had to trade away so the rest of the hockey world can watch him win cups.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If you can get a Don Newton for less than a grand usd you should probably just buy it.

After dumbnuts dicked me around on the Gil Kane Superman I started looking for something else to invest that money into. I came across not one, but TWO, Don Newton Batman's for the same price of the one Gil Kane. Even better is that they were inked by Alfredo Alcala.

Two superstar artists for the price of one.

A smart hockey GM would do the same thing. Paying up for one of the biggest names on the market makes sense. But only if you don't already have another couple superstars making bank.

The golden rule of asset management is diversify, diversify, diversify.

Building around one or two expensive blue chip big names is the most practical approach for a number of reasons. But at the end of the day you need those meat and potato guys to fill in the gaps and provide good value. That's why breaking Marner into two smaller affordable pieces who will contibute just as much combined as Marner did makes a lot of sense.

Just like how it might be Alfred instead of Superman but those two Don Newton's easily provide the same value as that one Gil Kane at the same price and probably even more.

 

[JKG33]

1. I live in Calgary. It sucks cock. Coming back soon.

2. Probably the last thing a millionaire would look at. Affordable/livable means great for the average Joe blow and surrounded with little upper class.

I bought into the appeal of Calgary and moved for a situation where I can grow significantly but am electing to come back. I’m curious to see this list in 2-3 years time. Pricing is crazy, Banff is becoming an overcrowded dump and Calgary city homeless/opioid infested.

I was at multiple of the Oilers playoff games, including game 1 SCF. If you want Alberta, that is the only option. In the west it’s ABC (anything but Calgary, and that’s even true in Calgary). All of Sask, most of Alberta and even a large part of BC cheer oil. Calgary will likely never be competitive. Awful owner, awful city, suburbs that mainly appeal to middle class and a very quiet overall place.

Saying all this, a guy with a loser mentality like Marner may actually love it lol.

Man I could not disagree more. Obviously living in Winnipeg its the baseline for a shithole. But I wasnt impressed with Toronto living there for a few months. Everything felt busy and expensive for the sake of being busy and expensive.

My buddy has a place in Calgary and I've been a bunch of times, will be moving there when I'm done my graduate degree. Its expensive compared to say Winnipeg sure, but its easily gotta be the most livable city in Canada. If you wanna talk about addicts/homeless its got nothing on Vancouver.

That said, I agree 100% with your second point. No NHL player, especially one making 8 figures, gives two shits about the livability of a city like you or I would.

 

[JKG33]

Marner won't go to Calgary.

Now that there are rumors, Dallas is clearing space, my guess is them.

Dallas needs to clear space just to ice a full roster. They're trying to not be the Leafs of the last half decade.

 

[ULF_55]

1. I live in Calgary. It sucks cock. Coming back soon.

2. Probably the last thing a millionaire would look at. Affordable/livable means great for the average Joe blow and surrounded with little upper class.

I bought into the appeal of Calgary and moved for a situation where I can grow significantly but am electing to come back. I’m curious to see this list in 2-3 years time. Pricing is crazy, Banff is becoming an overcrowded dump and Calgary city homeless/opioid infested.

I was at multiple of the Oilers playoff games, including game 1 SCF. If you want Alberta, that is the only option. In the west it’s ABC (anything but Calgary, and that’s even true in Calgary). All of Sask, most of Alberta and even a large part of BC cheer oil. Calgary will likely never be competitive. Awful owner, awful city, suburbs that mainly appeal to middle class and a very quiet overall place.

Saying all this, a guy with a loser mentality like Marner may actually love it lol.

marner would not be living in the city. He'd be in Bearspaw or a similar area, which is a 30 minute drive to the arena.

 

[bodechek]

Marner wants to be the highest paid and someone might be willing to do that in free agency. But they will be expecting him to carry the team and into the playoffs. Good luck with that!

 

[ULF_55]

Marner wants to be the highest paid and someone might be willing to do that in free agency. But they will be expecting him to carry the team and into the playoffs. Good luck with that!

Yeah, someone will pay him.

There are teams with tonnes of Cap Space, and what's another couple million anyway.

It isn't like adding 0 or 14 million dollars.

It's the difference between adding $12mm or $14mm. Nothing.

 

[Tak7]

Marner wants to be the highest paid and someone might be willing to do that in free agency. But they will be expecting him to carry the team and into the playoffs. Good luck with that!

That's why a team like LA hypothetically ticks all the potential Marner boxes - very good team, good age, plenty of cap space, very good players around to play with, experience with winning, and a quieter market.

It's why a team like Florida also makes sense to me too - no idea how they make the money work, but they will likely be one of a number of playoff teams thinking that they can add him, and surround him with a better core than Toronto, and get more out of him than Toronto did.

 

[JKG33]

That's why a team like LA hypothetically ticks all the potential Marner boxes - very good team, good age, plenty of cap space, very good players around to play with, experience with winning, and a quieter market.

LA unfortunately is where I think he goes. That or Carolina. Either way, those teams will blow their cap on him just to continue with playoff disappointments.

It's why a team like Florida also makes sense to me too - no idea how they make the money work, but they will likely be one of a number of playoff teams thinking that they can add him, and surround him with a better core than Toronto, and get more out of him than Toronto did.

Florida makes no sense. They're not going to move out a core piece for the privilege of overpaying Marner. He's worse and more expensive than Reinhart and Tkachuk. And Verhaeghe brings the same amount of points for $5m+ less

 

[Mess]

Yeah, someone will pay him.

There are teams with tonnes of Cap Space, and what's another couple million anyway.

It isn't like adding 0 or 14 million dollars.

It's the difference between adding $12mm or $14mm. Nothing.

I predict Anaheim will give him $15 mil and then Mitch and his son can play with Mickey Mouse during the day at Disneyland, and then in the evening Mitch can figure skate for the Ducks down the street during the regular season.

Leafs re-invest in some players with backbone and grit and intensity who are playoff tested.

Everyone is happy.

 

[notdoneyet]

I'm talking about the center who has scored more regular season goals than anyone since he entered the league, yes.

You can't deny the logic of choosing to play out a contract year next to Auston Matthews, for a guy driven my financial incentives.

But according to guys like you regular season means nothing right
You can’t have it both ways
You post how marner is a regular season champion
But a playoff failure
Well EXACTLY the same applies to your generational
Goal scorer
Many goals scored in regular season disappears in playoffs

 

[Tak7]

But according to guys like you regular season means nothing right
You can’t have it both ways
You post how marner is a regular season champion
But a playoff failure
Well EXACTLY the same applies to your generational
Goal scorer
Many goals scored in regular season disappears in playoffs

You're really having a hard time here, aren't you?

It's a league that pays based on regular season success/production.

Come on, keep up.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Could Blue Jackets pursue Mitch Marner via free agency? They’ve tried before

Columbus isn't exactly the betting favorite to become Marner's free-agency destination, but the match could make sense.

www.nytimes.com

The Blue Jackets, now with Don Waddell in the GM’s chair, are expected to pursue Marner again, but they’ll have plenty of competition. Several clubs suddenly have money to spend after the NHL’s salary cap increased for the first time since the COVID-19 pandemic.

Waddell has said since he arrived last summer that the Blue Jackets’ “rebuild” is finished and they’re now in the business of winning. Though many saw last season as a success — the Jackets were the last club to be eliminated from playoff contention — the club’s management, coaches and players were deeply aggravated.

And though Waddell’s biggest task is cleaning up the club’s mix-and-match defensive corps and questionable goaltending, Columbus could use help on its top two scoring lines, too.

You make room for a player like Marner, who has three 90-point seasons and a 100-point season in his nine-year career. For context: No Blue Jackets player has ever scored more than 87 points in a season.

What’s the pitch?

Let’s get the difficult part out of the way first — why would Marner, with half of the league making pitches, choose Columbus? Let us count the ways, in no particular order:

1. Less glare

2. Proximity

3. Ready to win

4. $$$

 

[joepeps]

LA unfortunately is where I think he goes. That or Carolina. Either way, those teams will blow their cap on him just to continue with playoff disappointments.

Florida makes no sense. They're not going to move out a core piece for the privilege of overpaying Marner. He's worse and more expensive than Reinhart and Tkachuk. And Verhaeghe brings the same amount of points for $5m+ less

He had a chance to go to Carolina and he refused lol

 

[Mess]

Best fit for Marner.

Here are the worst teams in the NHL from 2024-25

Here are the teams with the most Salary Cap space

The bottom 4 teams here with the most free cap space and little chance to make the playoffs are the perfect fit to overpay Marner and no worry about those pesky playoffs.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'd call Dubas considering trading a core player both those years relevant, and it was widely reported that Shanahan called the core after Dubas was fired (and before Tre was hired) to tell them they would not be traded. The oft-mentioned Leafs offer of $13.5m is certainly plausible and hardly insulting, but the Marner camp decided to cut off negotiations and take it to free agency. This is all Treliving's fault how exactly?

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

 

[Racer88]

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

Maybe he really didn’t want to resign Marner. Maybe he didn’t want 8 more years of a failing core that even you has to admit that they do not produce when the going gets tough especially elimination games.
Why woukd we want the same thing over again?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Maybe he really didn’t want to resign Marner.

That doesn't really align with known information, and all it would mean is that Treliving is even more stupid and incompetent than he looks right now.