Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Racer88]

As tough as it going to be see Marner gone with no assets in return the good news he will be gone. We have more than enough evidence to know that he is a freakin Ghost in the playoffs especially elimination games.
This team has been totally mishandled since Shanny walked in the door, from Dubas right on through to even maybe Treliving. He seems to be a bit of a bungle and if he even gives Marner any contract I will have lost all faith in him.
If they resign Marner we can kiss any hope of a cup away for at least another half decade

 

[Mess]

If Treliving gives Marner anything above what he is getting now he should be fired. Kind of a no win situation

Doubling down on Dubas massive overpayment contract for Marner is the worst possible thing Treliving can do. Marner's last contract should have been at $8-$8.5 mil and his new contract now should be in his current range at best.

Dubas put the Leafs into Cap Hell and its the #1 reason this core hasn't been successful because its sacrificed the teams depth..

Tre has a chance now to walk away from Marner and cut JT contract into 1/2 and Leafs playing with only 2 players making double digit AAV and an ever rising Cap ceiling to build a deep playoff contender.

 

[Legion34]

There's nothing to drag out - he's leaving. What's to dwell on?

Player agents were all over the draft combine last week in Buffalo - it's the "unofficial" opening of free agency. Tampering without tampering. Very good chance Marner knows who the heavy hitters are, and what they are offering, this morning.

Shouldn't take too long.

If he has agreed to go to July 1 or made it known that’s his decision. They should let him come up with a number and do the sign and trade.

All the spin doesn’t matter. The camp is trying to make the leafs look like the bad guy.


If it is true.
He knew he didn’t want to stay. He could have picked a team last year. He refused all negotiations. He refused all trades. He will be hated here.

 

[Metroid]

Very interesting, vibe with Marner is night and day now with here and reddit.

 

[ToneDog]

As tough as it going to be see Marner gone with no assets in return the good news he will be gone. We have more than enough evidence to know that he is a freakin Ghost in the playoffs especially elimination games.
This team has been totally mishandled since Shanny walked in the door, from Dubas right on through to even maybe Treliving. He seems to be a bit of a bungle and if he even gives Marner any contract I will have lost all faith in him.
If they resign Marner we can kiss any hope of a cup away for at least another half decade

Rumour was he was upset that trade asked him to waive his NMC. WTF do you expect when you are offered $108m and you refuse to negotiate? It is a business both ways and Tre has to do what is best for the team. Now the Leafs are left with cap space and thankfully going in a new direction. The old one clearly did not work.

 

[JKG33]

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

The Maple Leafs, Vegas Golden Knights, and Carolina Hurricanes discussed a three-way trade before the 2025 deadline that would've sent Mitch Marner to Vegas and Mikko Rantanen to Toronto, league sources told The Athletic's James Mirtle.However, Vegas and Carolina were apparently unable to find...

thescore.com

Boy, Vegas really has lost the plot if they're not only after Marner but even preferred him to Rantanen.

If I were them I would've been all over Rantanen, and either cut Toronto out of the deal entirely or Toronto shouldve been the team receiving the alleged package with Marner going to Carolina.

 

[ToneDog]

Shanny is the absolute GOAT bozo. Mirtle said on his podcast that the leafs were so upset over losing the Kadri trade they were too scared to make another mistake so they elected to do nothing. Just a timid management style that leads to what we have today. Trying to resign a distressed asset when it was too late, then trying to trade him two years too late is unforgivable. This is 100% on Shanny. Marner has obviously done the team 0 favors, if anything, he feels resentful. All around a world class ball drop with one of our most important players. Best we can hope for is a sign and trade, but that bridge looks burned. Brutal.

If we end up with two of Bennett, Ehlers and Boeser and B Tanev, Mangiapane or McLeod, we should be in good shape.

 

[Metroid]

Rumour was he was upset that trade asked him to waive his NMC. WTF do you expect when you are offered $108m and you refuse to negotiate? It is a business both ways and Tre has to do what is best for the team. Now the Leafs are left with cap space and thankfully going in a new direction. The old one clearly did not work.

Not being against you or anything...

But we all know rage bait reporting is in full swing right now. Journalism is a joke... What's happening right now is the perfect storm with rage bait regarding Marner. Yes, we have years and years of smoke regarding his family (dad) and what not. He for sure could be thinking this way....but what's more plausible is that we all don't know what's up, and everyone just getting rage baited.

Him not waiving is the only thing we have going now, which of course upsets lots of us, but also logically with his wife having a kid soon makes sense.

He probably doesn't come back... And when that happens, hopefully this board stops yapping about it, because then he is the enemy (on another team) and I wish him good health, but the worst when it comes to his playing. I also think he doesn't deserve any rafter hanging (coming from someone who was a fan of his) of he leaves as a UFA after all this.

 

[ULF_55]

Rumour was he was upset that trade asked him to waive his NMC. WTF do you expect when you are offered $108m and you refuse to negotiate? It is a business both ways and Tre has to do what is best for the team. Now the Leafs are left with cap space and thankfully going in a new direction. The old one clearly did not work.

All players leave.

I could see Matthews move in 3 year, easily, especially if the team continues to end their season in May.

 

[JKG33]

If we end up with two of Bennett, Ehlers and Boeser and B Tanev, Mangiapane or McLeod, we should be in good shape.

Ehlers is more of the same, hard pass.

Boeser I wouldn't mind, I like the player and the person. But I see two problems. One I dont where he'd fit in the lineup, ideally you spread the wealth keeping Matthews and Nylander on their own lines, but that'd leave Boeser to the 3rd line since I dont think he'd fit with Matthews... I guess Pittsburgh did it with Kessel but I dont love that idea here. And two, I cant see him wanting to sign in another media crazy market.

Bennett obviously I love, but I cant see him leaving a perfect situation in Florida.

Tanev sure, he's a good bottom 6 guy.

Mangiapane.. ehh. Never been a fan. Unless the plan is to have him on Matthews' RW I dont see a fit, and I'd rather have Domi there with a different type of player as the 3 RW.

Why would Buffalo trade McLeod after they paid a high price for him and he probably still outperformed expectations? Unless you mean signing his brother after this trial nonsense is over, I'd be all for that

 

[ULF_55]

If we end up with two of Bennett, Ehlers and Boeser and B Tanev, Mangiapane or McLeod, we should be in good shape.

I'll be okay if they end up with one of Bennett, Ehlers or Boeser.
If Panthers are after marner, Bennett makes sense.
Jets will probably go 8 years on Ehlers.
Boeser going home.

I suspect, middle 6 signings.

Take out the 3 above and the options at center are slim.
Centers:
Duchene
Granlund
Dvorak
Giroux
Donato
Suter

So point out a gritty center in that list who'd be 2nd. liner?

 

[freshwind]

I disagree with "one of the best", but you're right about the rest of the bolded.

Fortunately two of the architects of the fiasco are now gone, and the third looks like he's leaving of his own accord.

I 100% agree with you but I did not want to fragment the quote and be accused of "cherrypicking"

 

[ToneDog]

Ehlers is more of the same, hard pass.

Boeser I wouldn't mind, I like the player and the person. But I see two problems. One I dont where he'd fit in the lineup, ideally you spread the wealth keeping Matthews and Nylander on their own lines, but that'd leave Boeser to the 3rd line since I dont think he'd fit with Matthews... I guess Pittsburgh did it with Kessel but I dont love that idea here. And two, I cant see him wanting to sign in another media crazy market.

Bennett obviously I love, but I cant see him leaving a perfect situation in Florida.

Tanev sure, he's a good bottom 6 guy.

Mangiapane.. ehh. Never been a fan. Unless the plan is to have him on Matthews' RW I dont see a fit, and I'd rather have Domi there with a different type of player as the 3 RW.

Why would Buffalo trade McLeod after they paid a high price for him and he probably still outperformed expectations? Unless you mean signing his brother after this trial nonsense is over, I'd be all for that

Sorry McLeod is an RFA. I thought he was a pending UFA.

 

[JKG33]

IIRC McLeod is a pending UFA.

He's an RFA, one year from UFA.

So if he's unhappy in Buffalo it'd be wise for them to deal him rather than have him walk in a year

 

[trellaine201]

Vegas going hard after Marner come July 1 or before

 

[Tak7]

If he has agreed to go to July 1 or made it known that’s his decision. They should let him come up with a number and do the sign and trade.

All the spin doesn’t matter. The camp is trying to make the leafs look like the bad guy.


If it is true.
He knew he didn’t want to stay. He could have picked a team last year. He refused all negotiations. He refused all trades. He will be hated here.

What if, as reported by many, he simply just chose to hold off on negotiating until he saw how the season went? Quite clearly, he hasn't been happy here with the criticism and scrutiny and pressure and losing - what if he simply evaluated all of that, and decided to wait and see if things would be different for him, and the team, through the playoffs?

He's going to be hated here for the way the entire tenure played out, but I have zero issues with how he's handled the final year of his contract. Nor should anyone else. It was a contract year, and he chose to staple himself to the greatest scorer currently in the game, and try to ride that to a big payday.

How different would the conversation be, today, if Marner signed the $13.5m x 8 offer earlier in the year, and they still flamed out in the playoffs? He gets some credit, from me anyway, for being the only one throughout this entire process who stopped and thought "they this might not work out".

 

[ULF_55]

Flames a Perfect Fit to Land Mitch Marner in Free Agency - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

If Mitch Marner hits the free-agent market this offseason, the Calgary Flames could end up being the perfect landing spot.

thehockeywriters.com

marner back with Kadri

And it would be in free agency period when he is free and Leafs get nothing.
Flames put it to Treliving.
marner puts it to the Leafs.

Quality of Life is high in Calgary.

Global Liveability Ranking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dekes For Days]

If Treliving gives Marner anything above what he is getting now he should be fired.

No. Marner has earned millions more than what he currently makes.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

All players leave.

I could see Matthews move in 3 year, easily, especially if the team continues to end their season in May.

I think you can count on it.

 

[keonsbitterness]

As funny as it is to see you flip flop from blaming the GM to absolving the GM due to the existence of a President that was there the whole time, we shouldn't have been trading core players in the summers of 21 and 22, so that's irrelevant. Frankly, we also shouldn't have been trading core players in the summer of 23 either, but it's preferable to this disaster alternative, and that's when the long-term decision had to be made. There is no reason to believe that the President and the GM they had just hired did not feel the same way about one of the most important questions facing the team. The decision was made, and Treliving has completely fumbled it since. If Marner leaves for nothing in UFA, Treliving should be fired.

I'd call Dubas considering trading a core player both those years relevant, and it was widely reported that Shanahan called the core after Dubas was fired (and before Tre was hired) to tell them they would not be traded. The oft-mentioned Leafs offer of $13.5m is certainly plausible and hardly insulting, but the Marner camp decided to cut off negotiations and take it to free agency. This is all Treliving's fault how exactly?

 

[Tak7]

I'd call Dubas considering trading a core player both those years relevant, and it was widely reported that Shanahan called the core after Dubas was fired (and before Tre was hired) to tell them they would not be traded. The oft-mentioned Leafs offer of $13.5m is certainly plausible and hardly insulting, but the Marner camp decided to cut off negotiations and take it to free agency. This is all Treliving's fault how exactly?

How is it not, at least partially, not Treliving's fault?

Chose not to trade him before the NMC kicked in.
Chose not to pursue the trade route last summer.
Chose not to make it uncomfortable for Mitch this season in the hopes that he would waive.
Didn't build a good enough team to go deep into the playoffs, convincing Marner to potentially stay - bullet potentially dodged there.
Didn't get an extension done.

Sam Reinhart said the same thing last season with Florida - yet a deal got done.
Sam Bennett said the same thing this season, and has the same agent as Marner - yet a deal is likely to get done.

 

[Antropovsky]

I'd call Dubas considering trading a core player both those years relevant, and it was widely reported that Shanahan called the core after Dubas was fired (and before Tre was hired) to tell them they would not be traded. The oft-mentioned Leafs offer of $13.5m is certainly plausible and hardly insulting, but the Marner camp decided to cut off negotiations and take it to free agency. This is all Treliving's fault how exactly?

Wasnt just widely reported.... Marner outright said it on camera that Shanahan called and said he wasnt gonna be moved.