Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[CelticDruid]

No doubt there are many things he could have handled differently (better).

Own worst enemy off the ice which over exaggerates many peoples impression of him on the ice.

We know, we've been following your posts for year's.

 

[centipede2233]

Isn’t it funny how the cap has ruined our love for players.

No one knew or cared what Gilmour or Clark and Sundin etc made back then and guess what?
They were paid very well for those times and still failed to win anything here. And they are icons here

Now we have again some elite players here who have struggled to win anything like all the former players since 67 but we have fans who want to run them all out of town.

Welll except Rielly who continues to get a pass and still baffles me why. Longest serving leaf

Gilmour, Clark and Sundin also didn’t act like immature, self entitled cry babies who have put winning a cup last on their priority list.

 

[centipede2233]

It’s been all about the playoffs for years now. Since the Columbus series a lot of us were saying changes were needed concerning the core. We were right.

And yet we had to endure 11 years of the disaster shanaplan, it couldn’t be 5 yrs, we need to resign shanny just to make sure, oh I guess we were wrong

In leaf land, MLSE really likes to prolong the pain when it’s really not necessary and quite obvious a new direction was needed.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think a team like FLA would be the best fit for him. That team is deep and knows how to win. They wouldn't need him to be a leader or win physical battles. They have plenty of players who can do those things and players who would open up space for him and give him time to make plays.

Don't know if FLA wants or needs him, though. I don't see them paying him what he'll want or having any good reason to do so.

The current Panthers is a great fit for any players bc they have a system/culture in place, players who know their roles….

MM would be a great fit except for his cap as I doubt Zito is willing to pay even 10.893mil for him. As he probably believe he can get someone who can fit his team better with 8-9mil.

 

[HellasLEAF]

I just hope he doesn't drag it out too long. Knowing Mitch he probably will.

To pick his sunny tax free team and move on.

 

[Legion34]

The marner saga is playing out just like I mentioned it would months ago. It’s just common sense.

Fans thought “forcing” Marner to waive was an option when it never was and GMs have too much respect for players to pull a childish stunt.

Marners camp stayed true to their word. Tre knows the deal. They will test the market in value and then ask the leafs to come close.

It’s what agents do. Marner said he wants to stay but also knows there is only so many pieces of the pie here and 88 and 34 got the biggest piece. Reilly is the player the leafs should try to dump as he is our worst “value player”. Well one of the worst as Kampf and Domi contracts are bad too.

Odds are Marner is gone and has every right to do so. The only glimmer of hope to get any asset back from Marner is a sign and trade but the don’t expect much of a return for that extra yr on contract

What do you mean he will test the market and ask the leafs to come close?

You think that’s what agents do? Most stars sign before going to marker

 

[ACC1224]

I just hope he doesn't drag it out too long. Knowing Mitch he probably will.

To pick his sunny tax free team and move on.

I doubt very much it will drag on. Teams won’t just sit on that cap space and wait.

 

[freshwind]

That's not what's been reported, and even actual reports aren't worth a whole lot when every report is contradicted by 5 others. Letting one of the best players in franchise history walk to free agency is a fireable offense. He either needed to be traded two years ago, or we needed to make re-signing him last offseason the top priority. We certainly shouldn't have been playing stupid games at the deadline.

Moving on might be best for Marner, given the irrational toxicity of this market. It's not best for the Leafs, and hopefully it doesn't happen.

first time i ever agreed with you ... he was fired/let go ... shanahan is gone

 

[ULF_55]

The marner saga is playing out just like I mentioned it would months ago. It’s just common sense.

Fans thought “forcing” Marner to waive was an option when it never was and GMs have too much respect for players to pull a childish stunt.

Fans are always forcing players to waive.
Doesn't matter the name, if they have an agenda, "force X to waive."
Play him on pairing 3, he'll waive.
Take him off the PP, he'll waive.

Just follow the rules of the CBA and live with your decision.

 

[Mess]

Define "low ball".

When given the choice between a BAD contract and Free Cap space, take the cap space every time and leave the bad contract to another teams problem.

 

[keonsbitterness]

That's not what's been reported, and even actual reports aren't worth a whole lot when every report is contradicted by 5 others. Letting one of the best players in franchise history walk to free agency is a fireable offense. He either needed to be traded two years ago, or we needed to make re-signing him last offseason the top priority. We certainly shouldn't have been playing stupid games at the deadline.

Dubas decided against trading a core player in the summers of 21 and 22. Shanahan prevented Tre from trading a core player in 23 after Dubas was fired, which allowed two NMCs to take effect. Dubas and Shanahan are both gone, so who is there left to fire?

 

[Gabriel426]

Fans are always forcing players to waive.
Doesn't matter the name, if they have an agenda, "force X to waive."
Play him on pairing 3, he'll waive.
Take him off the PP, he'll waive.

Just follow the rules of the CBA and live with your decision.

Didn’t Trouba waived due to what you mentioned

 

[Da Mash]

No.

Take the pay out of it and people would still have a problem with Marner's game in the playoffs. It's repulsive to watch.

People loved Gilmour, Clark and Sundin cause they punched above their weight in the playoffs. They took less talented teams and made them overachieve. That doesn't apply to this core.

How did they punch above their weight? And still won nothing. ?
Did they have a worse team? Worse goalies? A D that can’t score? Were their bottom six worse?

The results are the same are they not?
More issues here on this team than the core 4 IMHO

 

[Nineteen67]

How did they punch above their weight? And still won nothing. ?
Did they have a worse team? Worse goalies? A D that can’t score? Were their bottom six worse?

The results are the same are they not?
More issues here on this team than the core 4 IMHO

Results are not even remotely the same. The core, particularly Marner and Matthews, cannot hold a candle to those mentioned in @IPS post.

 

[Metroid]

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

Report: Leafs discussed 3-way deal at deadline to send Marner to Vegas

The Maple Leafs, Vegas Golden Knights, and Carolina Hurricanes discussed a three-way trade before the 2025 deadline that would've sent Mitch Marner to Vegas and Mikko Rantanen to Toronto, league sources told The Athletic's James Mirtle.However, Vegas and Carolina were apparently unable to find...

thescore.com

 

[notDatsyuk]

That's not what's been reported, and even actual reports aren't worth a whole lot when every report is contradicted by 5 others. Letting one of the best players in franchise history walk to free agency is a fireable offense. He either needed to be traded two years ago, or we needed to make re-signing him last offseason the top priority. We certainly shouldn't have been playing stupid games at the deadline.

Moving on might be best for Marner, given the irrational toxicity of this market. It's not best for the Leafs, and hopefully it doesn't happen.

I disagree with "one of the best", but you're right about the rest of the bolded.

Fortunately two of the architects of the fiasco are now gone, and the third looks like he's leaving of his own accord.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Shanny is the absolute GOAT bozo. Mirtle said on his podcast that the leafs were so upset over losing the Kadri trade they were too scared to make another mistake so they elected to do nothing. Just a timid management style that leads to what we have today. Trying to resign a distressed asset when it was too late, then trying to trade him two years too late is unforgivable. This is 100% on Shanny. Marner has obviously done the team 0 favors, if anything, he feels resentful. All around a world class ball drop with one of our most important players. Best we can hope for is a sign and trade, but that bridge looks burned. Brutal.

 

[Tak7]

hope he doesn't drag it out too long. Knowing Mitch he probably will.

To pick his sunny tax free team and move on.

There's nothing to drag out - he's leaving. What's to dwell on?

Player agents were all over the draft combine last week in Buffalo - it's the "unofficial" opening of free agency. Tampering without tampering. Very good chance Marner knows who the heavy hitters are, and what they are offering, this morning.

Shouldn't take too long.

 

[Tak7]

I doubt very much it will drag on. Teams won’t just sit on that cap space and wait.

In such a weak free agency class, with the cap going up?

Think we see plenty of teams heading into next season with more cap space than normal.

 

[Mess]

I just hope he doesn't drag it out too long. Knowing Mitch he probably will.

To pick his sunny tax free team and move on.

When it comes to the Leafs and Marner's ridiculous asking price you just don't walk away you RUN !!

Leafs caught a break because Marner's own greed on his current contract resulted in just 6 years in length. and now the Leafs a have 2 year get out jail early parole contract out clause, otherwise Mitch would still be locked up for 2 more years with a full NMC and a playoff disappearing act had he agreed to full term 8 years.

Here is one instance where Kyle Dubas getting played by foolishly buying up RFA years from Marner at UFA prices, (Mitch gets $10.9 mil as RFA while Tavares gets $11 mil as UFA), has broken in favour of the Leafs at the tail end of the deal by missing those last 2 years of full term when he was actually buying UFA years from Marner. Dubas setting the stage for a Marner walk-away, but being in the teams best interest for him to do so, and Leafs finally getting out of Cap Hell.

This now allowing Treliving to change the DNA .

 

[ULF_55]

Didn’t Trouba waived due to what you mentioned

He had a NTC, so could have been traded to 16 teams.
2024-25: Player submits a 15 team no trade list; 2025-26

Does anyone know who the 15 teams were?
Obviously, with his Cap Hit, he could have manipulated it so teams with no Cap available were not covered, but the Cap itself could reduce the number even more.

So it could be Anaheim was on the list, and he waived with just one year remaining on his contract.

.......................................

NMC:
Rielly - 5 more years
Nylander - 7 more years
Matthews - 3 more years
NTC:
Domi - 3 years - 13 NTC
Kampf - 2 years - 10 NTC

 

[Hart Nation]

When Mitchy disappears hopefully Matty reappears.. because he's produced even worse in his playoff tenure.

How much of the issue is Matty being injured every playoff start hurting both their actual numbers. Season stats and goals still over health. Mitchy literally needs Matty to be a 6'3 beast but its either been his wrist or back for a decade.

And now we finally have some goalies that we needed 8 years ago.. Its a shitty situation all around.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Dubas decided against trading a core player in the summers of 21 and 22. Shanahan prevented Tre from trading a core player in 23 after Dubas was fired, which allowed two NMCs to take effect. Dubas and Shanahan are both gone, so who is there left to fire?

As funny as it is to see you flip flop from blaming the GM to absolving the GM due to the existence of a President that was there the whole time, we shouldn't have been trading core players in the summers of 21 and 22, so that's irrelevant. Frankly, we also shouldn't have been trading core players in the summer of 23 either, but it's preferable to this disaster alternative, and that's when the long-term decision had to be made. There is no reason to believe that the President and the GM they had just hired did not feel the same way about one of the most important questions facing the team. The decision was made, and Treliving has completely fumbled it since. If Marner leaves for nothing in UFA, Treliving should be fired.

 

[Racer88]

The current Panthers is a great fit for any players bc they have a system/culture in place, players who know their roles….

MM would be a great fit except for his cap as I doubt Zito is willing to pay even 10.893mil for him. As he probably believe he can get someone who can fit his team better with 8-9mil.

I doubt those hard working semi nasty Florida players would take to kindly yo Mitches. Dipsy doodles, scared play and cloak of invisibility in the playoffs and any games that get rough.
I highly doubt they would tolerate that especially if he was making 13.5

 

[Racer88]

As funny as it is to see you flip flop from blaming the GM to absolving the GM due to the existence of a President that was there the whole time, we shouldn't have been trading core players in the summers of 21 and 22, so that's irrelevant. Frankly, we also shouldn't have been trading core players in the summer of 23 either, but it's preferable to this disaster alternative, and that's when the long-term decision had to be made. There is no reason to believe that the President and the GM they had just hired did not feel the same way about one of the most important questions facing the team. The decision was made, and Treliving has completely fumbled it since. If Marner leaves for nothing in UFA, Treliving should be fired.

If Treliving gives Marner anything above what he is getting now he should be fired. Kind of a no win situation