Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[francis246]

Can you show me where it says that? As far as I'm aware, it does not say that at all.

It's difficult to find any information on what sort of trade protection Ehrhoff had while in Vancouver, but considering he had only been in the league for a limited amount of time, was traded to Vancouver from San Jose in the first place, and then moved on a few times as a pending UFA, I'd be surprised if he had a full NMC or a big NTC in the first place.

Nor would he likely have refused to waive

Teams hold exclusive negotiation rights for a short window before UFA. So players can be moved in that window without requiring that players permission. Teams are trading the right to negotiate with the player, not the actual contract. So Mitch cannot stop that transaction. Only thing he can do is refuse to negotiate

 

[58 Years No Cup]

I am trying to figure out if I should trade the rights to my Marner sweater, or if I should acquire some Tucker lettering

This is good!

 

[Tak7]

I’ll have to double check if he had an NMC. But it doesn’t matter. Trade protection doesn’t matter for negotiation rights.

Article 11.8 of the CBA states it clearly.

Clearly? 11.8 does not state it at all.

There's nothing in 11.8 referring to negotiating rights, anywhere:

 

[Leaf Fans]

I’ll have to double check if he had an NMC. But it doesn’t matter. Trade protection doesn’t matter for negotiation rights.

Article 11.8 of the CBA states it clearly.

It doesn't state it clearly. In fact Article 11.8 doesn't specifically mention trading negotiating rights at all.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Leaf Fans]

Teams hold exclusive negotiation rights for a short window before UFA. So players can be moved in that window without requiring that players permission. Teams are trading the right to negotiate with the player, not the actual contract. So Mitch cannot stop that transaction. Only thing he can do is refuse to negotiate

He can also block the trade via his NMC.

 

[francis246]

He can also block the trade via his NMC.

He cannot block it. They are not trading the SPC to another tramthey are trading his exclusive negotiation rights, which are two completely different things. An NMC protects the player from having their contract traded to another team. There is a period before UFA where teams have exclusive negotiation rights and players exclusive rights can be traded within that period. The SPC is technically done 5 days before July 1st.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He cannot block it. They are not trading the SPC to another tramthey are trading his exclusive negotiation rights, which are two completely different things. An NMC protects the player from having their contract traded to another team. There is a period before UFA where teams have exclusive negotiation rights and players exclusive rights can be traded within that period. The SPC is technically done 5 days before July 1st.

Yes, the period is when they are allowed to sign the extension for a year prior to them becoming UFAs July to 11:59.59pm June 30( except players on 1 year contracts) l. That is the exclusive negotiation rights period. A team can trade these rights though trade protection applies.

 

[joepeps]

10g 29a +10 vs western conference teams this year

cool story... he plays like 20 games against them right now.... wait till fulltime and playoffs.

 

[hamzarocks]

Holy f*** no.

He didnt accomplish anything. His numbers are not any better than Isles John Tavares were, just he's in a higher scoring league.

Claude giroux from Philly wont get his number retired

Tavares with isles wont get his number retired

Forsberg with the preds wont get his number retired

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Sure. Hang it with Kadri and Wendel Clark
Surprisingly though his numbers are close to that but leaving in free agency though? Naaah

 

[francis246]

Yes, the period is when they are allowed to sign the extension for a year prior to them becoming UFAs July to 11:59.59pm June 30( except players on 1 year contracts) l. That is the exclusive negotiation rights period. A team can trade these rights though trade protection applies.

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Kazparov]

I am trying to figure out if I should trade the rights to my Marner sweater, or if I should acquire some Tucker lettering

You should peel the Marner letters off and put on Dry Hair for the lols.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Mitch Marner Party

 

[Caesium]

It would be nice for just one time for them to admit they had something to do with not advancing. I mean personal responsibility on the matter. "I didn't get the job done"...is it that hard to say? Instead it's "Passengers" and we will "Learn from this"...My God...how tone deaf are they?

Frankly I am surprised any of you give a shit what any of them say in interviews. 99% of what any athlete says is meaningless or a lie. Acta non verba.

 

[keonsbitterness]

You’re wrong on this..

Christian Erhoff I believe is the precedent, back in 2011. His exclusive rights were traded and he had an NMC, the teams did not need his permission to trade his negotiation rights. The Vancouver canucks traded his negotiation rights to the New York islanders on June 28th, 2011. His negotiation rights were then traded to Buffalo the next day. He didn’t waive. In the CBA it states teams do not need to player permission to trade exclusive negotiation rights.

According to CapWages, Ehrhoff had no contract clause in 2011.

 

[LeafEgo]

Pretty sure it's. Permission to talk - Yes
Permission to negotiate - No

I think the way to provide clarity here, as it originally applied to the Marner situation, is :

*Toronto cannot profit in any way (even a 7th) on Marner without first getting his approval.*

Toronto can give teams permission to speak to him, but that team would not provide a return - Toronto could immediately re-sign the player.

If they just wanted to check in on him they would back channel.

 

[ChuckW]

Marner will be a Hurricane.

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner will be a Hurricane.

He’ll fit in. BrindAmour will pull his hair out with another one just like all the others not named Staal.

 

[centipede2233]

I think Carolina or LA are the likely destinations for money mitch

 

[ACC1224]

Well, the claim that "reality" is that almost, if not every GM in the league would give him 14m is putting a big bet behind a pretty hot take. Bold move, we'll see what true reality reflects, much the same as we argued all year to see what happened in the playoffs.

You don’t think he’ll get paid?

 

[JTK1967]

Wonder if instead of a pick or current player, we should be looking at prospects a team has that are worth somewhere around a late first / early second?

Looking at teams who are reported to be interested in Marner:

LAK - Winger - Liam Greentree would be an interesting pickup. 26th overall pick in 2024, 6'3, decent two way game, had almost 2 PPG in his D+1 season on the Spits, but his skating is not great.

Utah - Center - Cole Beaudoin - 24th pick in 2024, just over a ppg. Scouts say he has a really high floor, but they aren't sure on his upside. Huge motor.

Carolina - Center - Bradly Nadeau - 30th overal pick, near ppg in first AHL season. A bit undersized at 5'11. Nadeau was one of the lone bright spots on the squad. Nadeau’s two-way game has seen a massive jump since the 24' draft, being a consistent penalty killer for the Wolves and being able to be used in high-leverage situations.

Columbus - Centrer - Luca Del Bel Belluz - 6'1, can skate, good forechecker, 53p in 61 AHL games and 8p in 15 NHL games. Player in this group who is the most ready for the NHL right now. Was drafted in 2022 44th overall. Skating and physical game could still use a bit of work, but isnt far off being a good middle 6 option with 2C upside (with a bit of luck).

Carolina - Winger - Nikita Artamonov - 5'11 (From Dobber) "Artamonov has been stellar in his second season with Torpedo. In 53 games, he has 20 goals and 15 assists for 35 points, which is currently leading Torpedo in scoring... He’s always had the hockey IQ and feel of the game to be in the right spot at the right time... Still a buzzsaw on the forecheck, the points starting to roll in is a nice development." Could be the highest upside guy of the bunch.


Everyone here is either a recent late first with an obvious weakness (Greentree's skating, Beaudins ceiling, Nadeau's skating and strength) or a bit older (Luca is 2 years removed from being a mid 2nd rounder) or has the Russian factor and size (Nikita).

Would love to get like a Luca who could likely make the Leafs next year, or one of Greentree/Artamonov who have the highest offensive ceilings.

 

[ACC1224]

And it will be a bad contract, he probably gets it. But he doesn't deserve it. Both things are true.

I have no doubt that whatever he signs for will be considered an overpayment by the froth brigade.

 

[LeafGrief]

You don’t think he’ll get paid?

I think 12m counts as getting paid. I don’t think he’ll tie Draisaitl for highest paid player in the league, no.

 

[Nineteen67]

And it will be a bad contract, he probably gets it. But he doesn't deserve it. Both things are true.

He deserves whatever he gets paid.
The reality is there is only one team where he failed his audition so badly that they can’t even consider an offer to him. At the end he looked like he was saddened knowing he performed so poorly, again.