Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ACC1224]

Management should issue a press release that they will explore other options because they are offended that Marner did not provide any value in 10 playoffs despite the vast sums of money they have provided him with.

I am sure there will be good endorsement deals for Marner in Columbus.

Sure they could choose idiocy but I imagine they will continue to proceed as grown ups.

 

[ToneDog]

He is not even the greatest Leaf on the this team.

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[thewave]

Sure they could choose idiocy but I imagine they will continue to proceed as grown ups.

True better to take the high ground and not be like Marner and Furris and daddy Paul

 

[Tak7]

Management should issue a press release that they will explore other options because they are offended that Marner did not provide any value in 10 playoffs despite the vast sums of money they have provided him with.

I am sure there will be good endorsement deals for Marner in Columbus.

No one benefits from this.

It might make you feel better for 4 minutes, but that will easily be replaced by years of players refusing to come to Toronto because they aren't treated properly by the fans, or the organization.

 

[Mess]

The Leafs overpaid Marner 6 years at $10.9 mil as a TOP 10 highest paid player and for that they got 8 playoff goals over the terms of the contract.

How do people fear that this minimal output can't be replaced and for far less money/cap?

 

[Tak7]

The Leafs overpaid Marner 6 years at $10.9 mil as a TOP 10 highest paid player and for that they got 8 playoff goals over the terms of the contract.

$1.36M per playoff goal.

$10.9M, and a deferred full no move, without getting max term.

It's sickening how badly they handled this situation.

EDIT - My math sucks.

 

[thewave]

The Leafs overpaid Marner 6 years at $10.9 mil as a TOP 10 highest paid player and for that they got 8 playoff goals over the terms of the contract.

With ROI like that they are lucky they The Bank Of Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Stephen]

Management should issue a press release that they will explore other options because they are offended that Marner did not provide any value in 10 playoffs despite the vast sums of money they have provided him with.

I am sure there will be good endorsement deals for Marner in Columbus.

Management will just be the adults in the room and just move on with life.

 

[Stephen]

$1.36M per playoff goal.

$10.9M, and a deferred full no move, without getting max term.

It's sickening how badly they handled this situation.

Yes, definitely. And I would just say Marner Corporation is just a brutal business partner when it comes to being a franchise cornerstone and this cannot end fast enough.

Marner and his representation functions like a one note grievance machine that seems to be permanently sour that the organization always put Auston Matthews first.

All little Schedule B thingies are just proxies. Like poor you, screwed over hundreds of thousands in potential bonus money only to be repaid $65+ million.

The only thing I hear when see these little beefs is Jan Brady yelling “Marsha Marsha Marsha!” (I’m not that old).

 

[TheDoldrums]

He is not even the greatest Leaf on the this team.

Definitely believable that they refused to negotiate all season despite being offered 8x13.5 (according to Dreger) but were also totally ready to sign a team friendly deal before the team asked him to waive his NMC.

 

[thewave]

Definitely believable that they refused to negotiate all season despite being offered 8x13.5 (according to Dreger) but were also totally ready to sign a team friendly deal before the team asked him to waive his NMC.

8x13.5m was last summer..he refused
They asked about a trade with LA
He stopped negotiations
They asked about a trade to Carolina
Now we are here

 

[ACC1224]

The Leafs overpaid Marner 6 years at $10.9 mil as a TOP 10 highest paid player and for that they got 8 playoff goals over the terms of the contract.

How do people fear that this minimal output can't be replaced and for far less money/cap?

It's like you one up yourself everyday.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I really dislike the sports phrase: "addition by subtraction".

They should really use "strategic removal."

 

[ToneDog]

$1.36M per playoff goal.

$10.9M, and a deferred full no move, without getting max term.

It's sickening how badly they handled this situation.

More like $8.16m per playoff goal. Even the number is a kick to Shanny's balls.

 

[thewave]

More like $8.16m per playoff goal. Even the number is a kick to Shanny's balls.

It's a sign. 8x16m

 

[ToneDog]

8x13.5m was last summer..he refused
They asked about a trade with LA
He stopped negotiations
They asked about a trade to Carolina
Now we are here

Tre and Shanny botched it. Should have asked him for a list of teams he would go to as soon as he said he was not willing to negotiate. He's earned around $70m and delivered f*** all in the playoffs. The least he could have done is allow the Leafs to get something for him. Instead he sticks around and disappears in the playoffs. Well done asshole. You can't leave fast enough.

 

[Stephen]

After hearing Marner’s pressure tactics the Leafs brass scramble for one last response.

 

[Tak7]

Yes, definitely. And I would just say Marner Corporation is just a brutal business partner when it comes to being a franchise cornerstone and this cannot end fast enough.

Marner and his representation functions like a one note grievance machine that seems to be permanently sour that the organization always put Auston Matthews first.

All little Schedule B thingies are just proxies. Like poor you, screwed over hundreds of thousands in potential bonus money only to be repaid $65+ million.

The only thing I hear when see these little beefs is Jan Brady yelling “Marsha Marsha Marsha!” (I’m not that old).

Their camp was throwing out the Schedule B bonuses nonsense to Kypreos last week - it's not just the permanently sour approach they have, but the fact that they seem to take everything so personally and emotionally, and never ever seem like they move on from it.

You could practically see Marner wearing the animosity

 

[The Management]

It feels like a foregone conclusion at this point.

Such a mixed legacy. Fastest player in franchise history to hit 500 NHL career assists. Five eighty point seasons, putting him second in franchise history. Selke finalist. Fifth in all time points for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And he just turned, what, 28? Just eclipsing 100 pts and playing arguably the best hockey of his career.

But then there's the history with the negotiations. The perimeter play in the postseason. The tendency to get inside his own head when the puck isn't going his way. Overcomplicating a play when the team is desperate for a goal, rather than putting the puck on net. The bright lights, the big moments, and the annual disappointment.

It's fine to feel conflicted here, right? Like I am tired of seeing the same thing every year, but it's also fair to say it's difficult to imagine a scenario where we actually get better with him gone? The only asset we are getting back is cap space, in an uninspiring free agent class. General Managers aren't always known for investing free money logically on July 1st. Here's a team that can't score a goal to save their lives in the playoffs, and we're moving off a PPG winger.

 

[Stephen]

Their camp was throwing out the Schedule B bonuses nonsense to Kypreos last week - it's not just the permanently sour approach they have, but the fact that they seem to take everything so personally and emotionally, and never ever seem like they move on from it.

You could practically see Marner wearing the animosity

MLSE needs to make this right with a Schedule B ceremony night. Hand him a big novelty contract that can right these historic wrongs. Lest we turn this twerp into the next Dave Keon.

Actually curious how many of the Schedule B bonuses Marner actually hit and how missing them condemned him to a life of poverty. Just the human cost.

 

[Tak7]

It feels like a foregone conclusion at this point.

Such a mixed legacy. Fastest player in franchise history to hit 500 NHL career assists. Five eighty point seasons, putting him second in franchise history. Selke finalist. Fifth in all time points for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And he just turned, what, 28? Just eclipsing 100 pts and playing arguably the best hockey of his career.

But then there's the history with the negotiations. The perimeter play in the postseason. The tendency to get inside his own head when the puck isn't going his way. Overcomplicating a play when the team is desperate for a goal, rather than putting the puck on net. The bright lights, the big moments, and the annual disappointment.

It's fine to feel conflicted here, right? Like I am tired of seeing the same thing every year, but it's also fair to say it's difficult to imagine a scenario where we actually get better with him gone? The only asset we are getting back is cap space, in an uninspiring free agent class. General Managers aren't always known for investing free money logically on July 1st. Here's a team that can't score a goal to save their lives in the playoffs, and we're moving off a PPG winger.

It's sickening that we are even at this point - watching, and in many ways, wanting, a PPG hometown kid who was meant to be part of this fresh new era of Leafs hockey, walking away for nothing in a relationship that has become so bitter that both sides just can't wait for it to be done.

A huge part of me feels very sad that it's even gotten to this point - at the end of the day, as the local guy who got the market and the team and the fans, he really should have been the one untouchable and the one who had an idolized relationship with the fans.

I will often wonder whether he has any regrets about how the 2019 negotiations played out. One thing I'm certain of - he's fully and completely aware of everything that has been, and is being, said about him, and I wonder if upon quiet reflection, he'll ever admit that the entire saga played out so poorly.

 

[Tak7]

MLSE needs to make this right with a Schedule B ceremony night. Hand him a big novelty contract that can right these historic wrongs. Lest we turn this twerp into the next Dave Keon.

Actually curious how many of the Schedule B bonuses Marner actually hit and how missing them condemned him to a life of poverty. Just the human cost.

Let's not be mean here - he probably couldn't afford groceries until September of 2019. That signing bonus must have hit like bread and eggs.

 

[Craig Button]

Then let him go. I ain't paying him more than they're paying him now.

But you’re not paying him

 

[thewave]

It's sickening that we are even at this point - watching, and in many ways, wanting, a PPG hometown kid who was meant to be part of this fresh new era of Leafs hockey, walking away for nothing in a relationship that has become so bitter that both sides just can't wait for it to be done.

A huge part of me feels very sad that it's even gotten to this point - at the end of the day, as the local guy who got the market and the team and the fans, he really should have been the one untouchable and the one who had an idolized relationship with the fans.

I will often wonder whether he has any regrets about how the 2019 negotiations played out. One thing I'm certain of - he's fully and completely aware of everything that has been, and is being, said about him, and I wonder if upon quiet reflection, he'll ever admit that the entire saga played out so poorly.

What's sickening is that some random HFBoards posters like me could read the room with that kid before he even entered the building. The execs and managers had no clue, were dumb as nails to the whole thing and even when it got extremely apparent, they still had not clue.

Incompetence of the highest order.

 

[Tak7]

What's sickening is that some random HFBoards posters like me could read the room with that kid before he even entered the building. The execs and managers had no clue, were dumb as nails to the whole thing and even when it got extremely apparent, they still had not clue.

Incompetence of the highest order.

Before he even entered the building?

That's some crap that I'm not buying - everyone loved this kid the first few years here. Super skilled, unselfish, played in all situations, local kid, full of energy and enthusiasm and life, and such a breath of fresh air compared to the crap we were used to at the time.

I don't buy that you, and others here, had pegged him as a problem before he even started. Sentiment really started to turn in the final year of his ELC, when the Dregers of the hockey world started negotiating on his behalf, clearly trying to use Leafs fans as leverage against the organization after going through the entire William Nylander saga.