Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ryno23]

When Marner leaves so does the narrative of the core 4 can't win. Now Matthews and Nylander will be the ones under pressure to preform in the playoffs. If this doesn't motivate Matthews to finally take over a series like McDavid then it's hopeless

 

[BraveCanadian]

When Marner leaves so does the narrative of the core 4 can't win. Now Matthews and Nylander will be the ones under pressure to preform in the playoffs. If this doesn't motivate Matthews to finally take over a series like McDavid then it's hopeless

This team has certainly hitched itself to the wrong horses, and it’s looking like it might get worse before it gets better.

With the scapegoat gone it is gonna get uncomfortable for the two floaters that’s for sure.

 

[ULF_55]

This team has certainly hitched itself to the wrong horses, and it’s looking like it might get worse before it gets better.

With the scapegoat gone it is gonna get uncomfortable for the two floaters that’s for sure.

Take away the Berube's crutch ("trusts them", "believes in them") and thing WILL change.

Looking forward to July 1st., and hoping Berube is forced to make decisions on the line-up.

 

[JKG33]

JFC, I literally provided you a link proving you wrong. Here's an entire Google search on the subject. Why do people like you die on these hills instead of just researching it? It's really easy, you just say "Sorry, you were right and I was wrong." I think I've said that about 500 times on these forums. People generally appreciate it.

Google Search

Cool. Nothing you've linked has any reference to trade protection, so im not entirely sure what youre even yapping about

 

[Superstar]

I really don't see any World were Marner plans on helping the Leafs out in any way.

The 8th year is really the only bargaining chip BT has at this point.

What has Marner ever done anything that helped the team out?

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed in Carolina as a UFA after using his NMC to block the Rantanen trade, that would have seen him ending up the same place. Now by signing there he guarantees the Leafs get nothing in trade and nothing as a UFA. It would be quite the fitting ending to his legacy in Toronto.

He's not getting paid what he wants in Carolina...the owner won't overpay for him.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Cool. Nothing you've linked has any reference to trade protection, so im not entirely sure what youre even yapping about

OK, bye.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Cool. Nothing you've linked has any reference to trade protection, so im not entirely sure what youre even yapping about

I don't typically agree, but I clicked the link too and would say the same thing. It didn't look like anything I would trust as fact. I'm not sure that the answer is wrong, but that wasn't some statement of fact, it looked like a bad AI search. I don't care enough to look more though.

 

[OVO16]

Pagnotta said Marner likes the Kings and the Kings like marner, and are preparing a massive offer.

I've been saying the Kings make a lot of sense for Marner

 

[joepeps]

Pagnotta said Marner likes the Kings and the Kings like marner, and are preparing a massive offer.

I've been saying the Kings make a lot of sense for Marner

lol good luck with that... hes scared of contact in the East, imagine him in the big bad west?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I don't typically agree, but I clicked the link too and would say the same thing. It didn't look like anything I would trust as fact. I'm not sure that the answer is wrong, but that wasn't some statement of fact, it looked like a bad AI search. I don't care enough to look more though.

It literally says "Before the UFA season, a team can trade for the negotiating rights to a player who will become an UFA." Yes it's an AI link, in case you haven't noticed, that's what all of the major platforms have shifted to.

And then there's many other posts from other sites in the search link saying the same thing. What more are you looking for? I'm done on this topic. It's so obvious I'm right but these frigging forums are infected by people that just can't see facts. It ruins the place.

 

[JKG33]

I don't typically agree, but I clicked the link too and would say the same thing. It didn't look like anything I would trust as fact. I'm not sure that the answer is wrong, but that wasn't some statement of fact, it looked like a bad AI search. I don't care enough to look more though.

I appreciate that. Yea it looks like some kind of FAQ thats no better than what one would find here.

I do have to laugh at this whole thing. Because theres a quite clear failure to understand how contracts work. Marner's trade protection extends to the end of his contract, July 1. The Leafs can let a team speak with Marner, but they quite literally can't trade him even for a day in return for something as little as a 3rd round pick without his permission.

So what this guy is saying about Marner not having a say, could not be further from the truth.

 

[JKG33]

Pagnotta said Marner likes the Kings and the Kings like marner, and are preparing a massive offer.

I've been saying the Kings make a lot of sense for Marner

This is something I hate but I agree with it. LA is a desirable market, and will barely have the cap space to make it work. This seems like the type of move the Kings would be stupid enough to make. Basically the polar opposite of Vegas

 

[JKG33]

It literally says "Before the UFA season, a team can trade for the negotiating rights to a player who will become an UFA." Yes it's an AI link, in case you haven't noticed, that's what all of the major platforms have shifted to.

And then there's many other posts from other sites in the search link saying the same thing. What more are you looking for? I'm done on this topic. It's so obvious I'm right but these frigging forums are infected by people that just can't see facts. It ruins the place.

You cant trade a player's "rights" without their permission if they have trade protection.

 

[Jbr10ba]

OK, bye.

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Google search : can you trade an expiring UFA with NMC before July 1st.

This search says an expiring UFA with a NMC, like Marner has, cannot be or have negotiation rights traded before July 1st without approval.

Trading Rights:
Even with an NMC, a team can still trade the signing rights to an expiring UFA before July 1st, but the player's consent is needed for the trade

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I appreciate that. Yea it looks like some kind of FAQ thats no better than what one would find here.

I do have to laugh at this whole thing. Because theres a quite clear failure to understand how contracts work. Marner's trade protection extends to the end of his contract, July 1. The Leafs can let a team speak with Marner, but they quite literally can't trade him even for a day in return for something as little as a 3rd round pick without his permission.

So what this guy is saying about Marner not having a say, could not be further from the truth.

OK, I said I was done but I can't let it go. Why don't you provide one f***ing source showing me I'm wrong. One source saying you can't trade negotiation rights to an impending UFA I've given you several saying you can. You people are insufferable.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Google search : can you trade an expiring UFA with NMC before July 1st.

This search says an expiring UFA with a NMC, like Marner has, cannot be or have negotiation rights traded before July 1st without approval.

Trading Rights:
Even with an NMC, a team can still trade the signing rights to an expiring UFA before July 1st, but the player's consent is needed for the trade

I did search those exact words and provided a link to the response. Care to provide your receipts?

That was Google, here's Grok's response. Shall I go on proving you people wrong? JEBUS it's actually happened before people. FFS, what is wrong with people arguing this? YOU ARE WRONG.

https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1929953474877264195

 

[JKG33]

OK, I said I was done but I can't let it go. Why don't you provide one f***ing source showing me I'm wrong. One source saying you can't trade negotiation rights to an impending UFA I've given you several saying you can. You people are insufferable.

I'll let someone else handle finding a source, because quite honestly I find this whole interaction hilarious.

But the short of it is there's nothing that changes in a players contract to indicate trade protection randomly vanishes when the season ends or sometime before unrestricted free agency.

I'm sure if you care enough you can find in the CBA that the league year runs from July 1 - June 30, with free agency opening at XX:XX time on July 1. But I dont think there's any kind of special wording that disproves your anti-common sense theory that a players contract randomly changes. The onus here is on you to prove that this random nonsensical change does occur

 

[JKG33]

I did search those exact words and provided a link to the response. Care to provide your receipts?

That was Google, here's Grok's response. Shall I go on proving you people wrong? JEBUS it's actually happened before people. FFS, what is wrong with people arguing this? YOU ARE WRONG.

https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1929953474877264195

Do tell, when has this magical thing happened?

 

[ITM]

Maple Leafs' Brad Treliving Wants To 'Change The DNA' - Is Jonathan Toews The Answer?​

The Toronto Maple Leafs are expected to look quite different next season. Following GM Brad Treliving's message of the need to "change the DNA," reports emerged that three-time Stanley Cup champion Jonathan Toews is 100 percent ready to make an NHL comeback bid. While there's going to be no shortage of suitors for the former Chicago Blackhawks, should the Maple Leafs go after him? If so, at what cost?

Maple Leafs' Need for Leadership and Defensive Help

The Maple Leafs have consistently tried to bring in veterans over the years to augment their core players but it has yet to yield positive results in the postseason. Under head coach Craig Berube, the Maple Leafs shifted their mentality to a new identity centered around grit, consistent defensive play, and a more disciplined style of play. Berube’s system, which prioritizes quick transitions and controlled play in the offensive zone, could see a player like Toews thrive. It’s hard to expect someone like Toews to replicate his offensive numbers after spending the last two full seasons away from the game. However, when it comes to the defensive aspects of his game, those should return with some reps rather quickly.

The 2013 Selke Trophy-winning Toews could fit well within Berube’s identity. The Leafs' penalty kill underwent a transition, with Matthews getting more reps on the PK. Toronto finished with a middling 77.9 percent last season (17th out of 32 teams).

I'm presuming you know that the title of a piece that includes the question re: Toews, is not evidence that that's the direction Toronto is headed in, right?

And speculation that says his offense is gone, but his defence "should return with some reps rather quickly" is again, not evidence that that's the case - and I dare say, evidence that the reporter doesn't understand the vast spectrum that exists between practice reps and practice shape let alone game reps and game shape...at the NHL level.

I think Towes total commitment (i.e. want) to return could see him in practice shape with months of training. I don't think its reasonable in the least to write an article like this and suggest he returns to game shape "rather quickly".

Absurd.

 

[Jbr10ba]

I did search those exact words and provided a link to the response. Care to provide your receipts?

That was Google, here's Grok's response. Shall I go on proving you people wrong? JEBUS it's actually happened before people. FFS, what is wrong with people arguing this? YOU ARE WRONG.

https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1929953474877264195

Which expiring UFA with a full NMC had the negotiation rights traded before July 1st without their consent?

 

[Mess]

I'm presuming you know that the title of a piece that includes the question re: Toews, is not evidence that that's the direction Toronto is headed in, right?

And speculation that says his offense is gone, but his defence "should return with some reps rather quickly" is again, not evidence that that's the case - and I dare say, evidence that the reporter doesn't understand the vast spectrum that exists between practice reps and practice shape let alone game reps and game shape...at the NHL level.

I think Towes total commitment (i.e. want) to return could see him in practice shape with months of training. I don't think its reasonable in the least to write an article like this and suggest he returns to game shape "rather quickly".

Absurd.

Are the Maple Leafs a Fit For Toews?​

Brisson confirmed to NHL insider Pierre LeBrun that Toews is open for business on July 1 as free agency begins. Everyone is in the mix, even if the veteran forward might have hopes that a few teams will get in the mix.

Among the clubs Toews would reportedly be open to joining is the Toronto Maple Leafs. According to Nick Alberga of The Leafs Nation, Brisson confirmed that “everything is open” and included the Leafs as one of the teams Toews would “willingly consider.”

Meanwhile, Toronto GM Brad Treliving said at his end-of-season media availability that the Maple Leafs’ “DNA” needs to evolve. There’s something wrong between the ears for many of the players on the team, and the priority might be finding a veteran who can play, but has also been there and done that, elevating his game when it’s needed most.

There will be questions about how effective Toews can be in the NHL next season. That said, his championship pedigree and leadership could make him a valuable addition in a depth role, especially as a third-line or depth center. A three-time Stanley Cup winner and former Selke Trophy recipient, Toews brings 1,067 games of NHL experience and a reputation as one of the game’s most respected leaders.

Jonathan Toews Open to Joining Maple Leafs as Part of Comeback

Jonathan Toews is making an NHL comeback and he would be open to the Toronto Maple Leafs as an option next season.

nhltradetalk.com

Lots of ways to spend the Marner cap space .. I'm all on board with Toews.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Which expiring UFA with a full NMC had the negotiation rights traded before July 1st without their consent?

I provided lots of info already, provide your own at this point.

And I'll make it easy for you:

Google Search

And in case you need more help:

Google Search

Time to show your receipts like I have or go away. This is definitely the last time I respond to you people.

 

[CelticDruid]

This team has certainly hitched itself to the wrong horses, and it’s looking like it might get worse before it gets better.

With the scapegoat gone it is gonna get uncomfortable for the two floaters that’s for sure.

Oh diddums!

The world won't end.

 

[Antropovsky]

He hasn't asked the Leafs for any money yet, perhaps that's not his greatest motivator?
I imagine if it were he would have taken the Leafs offer.

OR its about getting EVEN more money?

Short term deals can get Marner up to 50 million more over his career..considering cap rises and negotiating a 8 year contract when hes 30-31 vs 36 will give him leverage on a bigger contract through his later years.

- Tree said during the season they want Marner in Toronto for "a long time". Very specific wording.

- Both Matthews deals have been short term deals. Matthews choice. The team has wanted long term deals.

- in 2019, Marner wanted a short term deal. However, Dubas wanted longer. They settled on 6. It was speculated, Marner had two interested teams for an offersheet. One didnt table an offer because they wanted long term and Marner wanted short.

- Uncle Marleau took short deals throughout his career.

Marner didnt sign the 13.5/8 because he is greedy...he wants 13.5x3, so he can sign a 15-16x8 when he is 30 or 31.

My .02 cents, but it aligns with what has happened.

Why would Marner suddenly have a change of heart on long term deals now vs 2019? Especially when his twin, Matthews, obviously wants short term deals?

 

[FerrisRox]

Also nothing makes me believe Marner wants an 8 year deal. The school of Marleau keeps 4/5 year deals so you can always maximize your earning potential. That’s why Matthews only signed 4 years. He can take max cap again next contract if we keep him.

I think the max term that Marner signs a contract for this summer is five years, but if I had to place a wager, I think his new deal will be four years.