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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

Woulda coulda shouldof.....

At this point I am happy he is gone and we get to use the money how we want to. That ship sailed long ago.

Only players I wish we would have kept was Hyman. Other then that Brown and Kapanen are replaceable. Shit go get them back for free this off season if you really want to cry over spilt milk.
 
Kapanen sucks and they got the 15th overall pick for him, that trade was great at the time.
Problem a Clueless Dubas gave away Leafs #13 overall to dump Marleau to re-sign RFA Kapanen and A. Johnsson and they both sucked and were dumped a year later.

A 23 year old Seth Jarvis has already scored more playoff goals 19, than Mitch Marner has his entire career. (13 total). I'd rather have Seth Jarvis than Mitch Marner today.

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We're absolutely going to overpay this summer. It's going to be a shit show.
You're right, but that's what happens. All UFAs are overpriced. In terms of performance you will never get back what you spent in cap room to get them. So if you're planning on using them, it can't be the basis for how you build your team, it can only be used to chase the last one or two pieces to complete your team.
 
That's supposedly his saving grace? He refused a 13.5m contract which would have made him 2nd highest paid?

Ludicrous
Florida had their top defensive pairing against Nylander through games 3-7. Hell, Marner and Auston faced the Lundell line at times and still weren't really winning the matchups. I can't even begin to imagine caring about being 7th in regular season selke voting.
 
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That's supposedly his saving grace? He refused a 13.5m contract which would have made him 2nd highest paid?

Ludicrous

I wish I wasnt a spiteful person but I am counting the days for July 1 to see how this plays out for Marner. I cannot imagine a player who claims to love and want to play in Toronto turning down 8 x $13.5 million. Rantanen signed for $12 million x 7, what team will offer Marner $13.5 outside of Toronto. He would not be the first player who overplayed their hand and ended up having to take less money. IMO Marner is going to end up taking less money, getting less term, and playing with lesser players. By all accounts Rantanten is just as good in the regular season and had an amazing playoffs. How does Marner argue he is worth the same as Rantanen, let alone $2 million more?

Marner may get his money but I cannot see it being a competitive team while he is on that team.

The only upside for him is he wont have the Toronto media to deal with but I actually think that will bother him. He grew up in Toronto in the spotlight, I cannot imagine him being somewhere like Carolina or Columbus where they wont give a shit about him once he walks out the arena door.
 
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I wish I wasnt a spiteful person but I am counting the days for July 1 to see how this plays out for Marner. I cannot imagine a player who claims to love and want to play in Toronto turning down 8 x $13.5 million. Rantanen signed for $12 million x 7, what team will offer Marner $13.5 outside of Toronto. He would not be the first player who overplayed their hand and ended up having to take less money. IMO Marner is going to end up taking less money, getting less term, and playing with lesser players. By all accounts Rantanten is just as good in the regular season and had an amazing playoffs. How does Marner argue he is worth the same as Rantanen, let alone $2 million more?

Marner may get his money but I cannot see it being a competitive team while he is on that team.

The only upside for him is he wont have the Toronto media to deal with but I actually think that will bother him. He grew up in Toronto in the spotlight, I cannot imagine him being somewhere like Carolina or Columbus where they wont give a shit about him once he walks out the arena door.
He hasn't asked the Leafs for any money yet, perhaps that's not his greatest motivator?
I imagine if it were he would have taken the Leafs offer.
 
I wonder if the Marner fanboys would change their tune if Marner walks and signs for less than they claim he's worth with another team

They'll argue there's no reason Marner should take less than 13M on the Leafs but justify less with another team
 
He hasn't asked the Leafs for any money yet, perhaps that's not his greatest motivator?
I imagine if it were he would have taken the Leafs offer.

Nothing in the history of contract negotiations with Marner suggests to me that money is not his greatest motivator.

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander want to suck and blow at the same time. They complain about passengers and waking the f*** up yet they seem to omit the fact that there is a fixed cap. The more they get directly affects the team from signing other players.

Hyman signed for $5.5 million which wasnt a lot at the time and is even less now. Imagine if the 3 of them got together when they were RFAs and went to Dubas and said, it is important to us that we can have a competitive team. We need Hyman. We will each take slightly less so you have enough money to keep our teammate.

Even after each of their RFA contract negotiations, they learned nothing.
 
Nothing in the history of contract negotiations with Marner suggests to me that money is not his greatest motivator.

Matthews, Marner, and Nylander want to suck and blow at the same time. They complain about passengers and waking the f*** up yet they seem to omit the fact that there is a fixed cap. The more they get directly affects the team from signing other players.

Hyman signed for $5.5 million which wasnt a lot at the time and is even less now. Imagine if the 3 of them got together when they were RFAs and went to Dubas and said, it is important to us that we can have a competitive team. We need Hyman. We will each take slightly less so you have enough money to keep our teammate.

Even after each of their RFA contract negotiations, they learned nothing.
There has only been one negotiation and there were many factors that went into that.
They could have found the money to keep Hyman had they chosen to.

If money is the greatest motivator why didn't he take the Leafs offer or make a counter offer if he felt it wasn't enough?
 
He hasn't asked the Leafs for any money yet, perhaps that's not his greatest motivator?
I imagine if it were he would have taken the Leafs offer.

I wonder knowing Treliving offered him to Vegas last year was the last straw / motivator?

If he wasn't really that important to Treliving last year there should be no hard feelings from Leafs management if he walks.
 
I wonder knowing Treliving offered him to Vegas last year was the last straw / motivator?

If he wasn't really that important to Treliving last year there should be no hard feelings from Leafs management if he walks.
Could be, no one can say whether things are contentious or amicable.
You can't blame the team for trying to move a guy who won't sign, I'm sure the player understands that it's just business.
We've never heard that there were any issues and the player was still looked at as a valuable member of the team.
 
Could be, no one can say whether things are contentious or amicable.
You can't blame the team for trying to move a guy who won't sign, I'm sure the player understands that it's just business.
We've never heard that there were any issues and the player was still looked at as a valuable member of the team.

Exactly.
Drafted players have an obligation for X years if they want to play in the NHL.

Then they have earned their rights to go wherever they want.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he took a smaller pay cut just so that he could be a bus-rider on a stacked team a la Kevin Durant. He knows that he doesn't have what it takes to be THE guy on a contender.

Kyle Dubas already set this man up with generational wealth before he had proven anything of substantial value, so he can clearly afford to lose out on a couple of millions if it means that he ends up on a contender.
 
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So you think he'd be cool moving to Carolina or Vegas with a 6 month old? That's literally the only reason I think he might consider it.

I feel like Marner doesn’t have the total conviction to leave Toronto. He’s alluding to leaving by going to July 1, seeing what’s out there etc. but its carefully crafted language, not closing the door. He’a not making a definitive statement he’s 100% leaving, and he could if he was just so over the experience.
 
Could be, no one can say whether things are contentious or amicable.
You can't blame the team for trying to move a guy who won't sign, I'm sure the player understands that it's just business.
We've never heard that there were any issues and the player was still looked at as a valuable member of the team.

Yeah I don’t see it being contentious or amicable on Treliving’s side. His job is literally to make roster moves to improve the team, so why wouldn’t he enter into scenarios big and small for the betterment of the team?
 
There has only been one negotiation and there were many factors that went into that.
They could have found the money to keep Hyman had they chosen to.

If money is the greatest motivator why didn't he take the Leafs offer or make a counter offer if he felt it wasn't enough?

I suspect they felt they would have more leverage with the risk that Marner may sign somewhere else once the season was over. I don't think it ever occured to Marner that the Leafs may just not want to sign him.

I am not sure the story with the reported/rumoured offer but by all accounts that ship sailed.
 
I suspect they felt they would have more leverage with the risk that Marner may sign somewhere else once the season was over. I don't think it ever occured to Marner that the Leafs may just not want to sign him.

I am not sure the story with the reported/rumoured offer but by all accounts that ship sailed.

I have that feeling as well, with the caveat that Rogers may want to run it back being as unimaginative as they are…

I could also see an alternative solution where we get Marner back (not that I want it) and sign Bennett (notice how it was clarified he was looking at $7.5 million and not $10 million) but Tavares gets pushed out the door.
 
Exactly.
Drafted players have an obligation for X years if they want to play in the NHL.

Then they have earned their rights to go wherever they want.
We will see what happens. Leafs certainly have the right to walk away and pursue other players.
I know you can’t believe anything management says but you really can’t say this team needs a DNA change and bring back Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Tavares and Rielly.
It’s easier for the fans to accept Marner walked away than the Leafs traded him away. Whatever works though. His time here should be up.
 
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