DarkKnight
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We're absolutely going to overpay this summer. It's going to be a shit show.
Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Leafs have $27m in cap space. What could go wrong? The only good thing is it is not Dubas and Shanny doing the shopping.
DarkKnight
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Now do Knies. And then add JT obviously coming back. I'll just wait, people are in for a surprise. Biggest overpay offseason in a generation, just watch. Wrong year.
Punch Drunk Loov
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Marner leaving for nothing is a disaster for asset management.
I don't care what they do but we MUST make lemonade and lock up Knies to 7 or 8 years. We've been given a chance to get insane value on the back end of that deal and a bridge to Knies would be so short sighted now that we have the cap.
I don't care what they do but we MUST make lemonade and lock up Knies to 7 or 8 years. We've been given a chance to get insane value on the back end of that deal and a bridge to Knies would be so short sighted now that we have the cap.
Marner made himself a whipping boy by his awful handling of contracts, PR, interviews and statements, as well as his atrocious play in the postseason. Considering he’s a hometown boy, the fact that he managed to become a whipping boy is quite something.
At least he’s got you!
You’ve already tried, very hard, to get rid of Nylander, but it didn’t work it seems
hotpaws
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I tried to get rid of Nylander ?
you have the wrong person , i'm the guy that never wants to see Tavares in a Leaf jersey again
It is pretty crazy. He had the opportunity to go down as a hometown leaf legend, and now he’ll go down as one of the most disliked players in Toronto history.
I don’t think we’ve seen anyone fumble something so badly. Not all his fault. Horrible advice from his daddy and agent, but as you say, he did himself zero favours as well during his time here.
He’s a grown a** man, even though he might not look or play like one. Stop finding excuses for him
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Just wait until he joins Carolina as a UFA after blocking a trade for Rantanen That would be the final salt in the wound and middle finger salute to Leaf Nation, upon his departure.
Toronto would still be playing in this years playoffs if that BT trade had gone through, and we had a big powerforward that currently leads the playoffs in scoring as opposed to that little timid powderpuff that is afraid of his own shadow, crumbles under pressure and ghosts his own team come meaningful playoff games.
This year's team had a real chance to be playing in the final 4, but Mitch had to make it about himself again while the organization was doing what was best for the team. There is no "I in Team, but only in Mitch".
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Atleast they made an effort unfortunately Mitch had a right and used it.
The time to trade him was before it kicked in but Shanny fumbled the Dubas situation and wanted to run it back and not give Tre the option to shop Mitch.
I do fear Tre with shopping money as we have witnessed what he will do with it although I believe ownership had something to do with most of the signings.
Yes. When the organisation inked Nylander long term, that should’ve been the time to shop away Mitch.
I think people have finally had enough of this winger who seems to play more of a game akin to an offensive D come playoff time.
Is it a whipping boy narrative or are people just repulsed by his style of play in the postseason?
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Mess
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Biggest fears not yet realized, as the nightmare unfolds.
Just watch some desperate NHL team like say San Jose is going to offer Marner an insane amount of money $14-$15 mil allowing him to become the highest paid player in the game, Needing him to sell tickets and fill seats in half empty regular season buildings.
Then Marner is going to come crawling back to Toronto on what he will be selling as a "home town discount" $1-$2 mil per still making him among the highest paid in the game, and embraced for his magnanimous selfless magnificent sacrifice. His own generosity at great personal financial loss praised by media as returning Hero, to dispel any debates about player greed,
Same tactic Tavares used. to sell his massive overpaid contract to Toronto in the past that blew up Leafs internal salary scale and at the root of all this teams Cup competitiveness struggles and playoff failures past 7 years.
Oh, I agree 100% with you
on both the "overpay this summer and the going to be shit show" only perhaps for very different reasons. One thing I noticed watching last night's game was that both EDM and DAL went directly to the net more times in that one game than the Leafs have done in 9 years of playoffs.
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As opposed to $13x x 8 for a Mitch return? Nothing about the status quo is worth worrying about losing. Whoever they buy it won't be 8 years with a NM and should produce more than 2g in a post season. $13M players make as much as two decent NHLers so when they don't produce its like you are down two guys.
They do not need another one unless he produces like Draisaitl.
I can't disagree it sucks to lose an asset for nothing but that doesn't make it a good idea to run a failed lineup back. The cap distribution has to change and they put themselves here by giving the core two more kicks at the can rather than deal before all the NMs were in place.
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Agreed, its hard for any NHL team to walk away from a 100 point player for nothing, and claiming its in the best interest of the team.
However in Toronto's case they have a valid argument because its gets weighed against player greed and contract demands that destroys any reasonable player comparable contracts, suggesting walking away the SMART choice,
When your contract demands place you ahead the TOP 5 Playoff goal and point scorers in the NHL past 5 years in McDavid, Draisaitl, Rantanen, Kucherov and MacKinnon.
TheGreenTBer
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Exactly. In my opinion it is absolutely in the best interest of the team, but you're still losing a 100-point player for nothing and that's pretty much entirely Brendan Shanahan's fault.
Of all time actually. Leon's 1.529 PPG in the playoffs puts him at 5th in PPG in the playoffs of all time. That is who Marner wants as his comparable.
I am not advocating to run it back, but I am also weary overpaying new talent.
They have to be shrewd with their new found money to spend.
Having Matthews, Willy, Marner and JT eat up 40- 50% of the cap was fruitless. Matthews and Nylander already eat 25 mil. Adding Bennett for 10 and Ehlers for 9 really only saves the Leafs 3 mil which would be lost in paying Knies, so basically the hope becomes this new core 4 can do more than the previous 4
Stephen
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I think he has the endurance of a track athlete and can have durability but he doesn’t have a great athletic base for strength, speed and explosiveness. But he’s never had those things.
thewave
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10-20% hit to speed and he is going to be a sitting duck. His lack of speed already forces him to rush plays in intense games. Imagine another 10% loss and he will be a regular season fancy setup man.
I think he is a bad investment.
I’m not finding excuses for him lol. Anything after his contract is on him. But 22 or whatever he was is pretty impressionable and his agent and dad gave him some really bad advice.
Making him think he’s anywhere close to Matthews level and that he should go for as much money as possible was horrible advice, and players are supposed to be able to trust their agents.
