Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Nineteen67]

Don't waste money this off-season, commit tampering for McDavid because nothing else will realistically save this roster

Another good option would be for Marner to sign in San Jose and then trade Matthews for one of those young studs and picks.

 

[Nineteen67]

poor Mitch needs a better pr team . lol

he was 2nd best out of the expensive core 4 ahead of Mathews and Tavares but hey lets all pile on and drive him out of town !

and then overpay lesser ufa's as well as bringing Tavares the mumbling ghost back on an overpayment while we spin it as a another discount !

The problem isn’t that he was the second best of the pushed out passengers, the problem is Pacioretty , Lorentz, Domi, and Laughton were far better.

 

[hotpaws]

The problem isn’t that he was the second best of the pushed out passengers, the problem is Pacioretty , Lorentz, Domi, and Laughton were far better.

now you're getting carried away , Mitch was ppg so while he was far from dominating he still had a decent playoffs , fans are pissed and want change which is understandable but their anger is clouding there judgement

we're not getting better letting Marner walk , if you want to get better then you say adios to Johnny the mumbling ghost , all Willie needs as a Center for an effective line is a decently skilled 2 way guy , he doesn't need a slow footed stiff that can only plant himself in the crease/slot waiting to be fed , it wasn't a shock the Islanders vastly improved the second JT left , he's like the DeRozen of hockey , puts up stats (in the regular season) but doesn't help your team win

the problem is Johnny always gets a free pass regardless how bad he plays while his teammates get chucked under the bus , it's a strange phenomenon that's been happening with JT for 20 yrs dating back to jr

 

[Madap]

poor Mitch needs a better pr team . lol

he was 2nd best out of the expensive core 4 ahead of Mathews and Tavares but hey lets all pile on and drive him out of town !

and then overpay lesser ufa's as well as bringing Tavares the mumbling ghost back on an overpayment while we spin it as a another discount !

Pretty selective memory if you think one playoff series is what’s driving this decision.

He’s been shit and outside of a few obsessed fans on here, everyone’s realized this guy needs to go. Everyone from analysts to leaf legends are calling this guy out.

 

[Legion34]

I highly doubt they will.

Again. They already have.
You think they will cut negotiations?
Pelley just said that Berube will
Have more input.

He said that he 100% wants Marner back.

Do you have any evidence at all that they aren’t going to offer a contract?

 

[Al14]

Mitch Marner could have saved himself from a permanent negative view from most Leaf fans had he just let Treliving trade him to Carlolina for Rantanen.

Now, he's going to be hated by most of Leafs Nation for the rest of his career !!! Wherever you end up, enjoy being booed by Leaf fans everywhere.

Thanks Mitch for taking a HUGE paycheck and NOT giving anything back to our Leafs, especially during the playoffs !!! Yes, you had a 100, or nearly 100 point seasons, however that wasn't enough when you couldn't ever perform to your salary in the playoffs !!!

 

[notDatsyuk]

Define weaker team?
In my mind a weaker team would be a Chicago/anaheim/sanjose/detroit/utah.

Those are teams that have cap space to add him for nothing.

Perennial non playoff teams or bubble that are selling hope. Mitch has lived first hand what that leads to.

Did tkachuk care about going to a “weaker team” when he got traded to Florida? Why not sign the one year in Calgary, and go to Florida with weegar/huberdeau and a first?

I think. My guess is he goes to a team that is competitive. Most competitive teams will need to drop salary to afford his 12-14 million dollar tag. So they have to drop salary.

There are some exceptions of course. La/carolina.

If he wants the 8th year. Which Dreger himself speculated. Then he has to sign and trade. It’s his only option.

Would you give up a gauranteed 13ish million. Dollar contract so your team didn’t give up prospects/picks? Makes no sense.

Who knows what he does. I honestly think he re-signs at the end of the day.
Signing bonuses/endorsements/ the chance to be the maple leafs all time scorer.

I think he comes back. But no guarantees. If not we have heard Vegas is where he wants to go.

There is zero way he goes to Vegas without them having to remove from their roster

I meant weaker because they had to trade someone.

Just as an example, say Florida was willing to trade Marchand for Marner. If you were Marner would you rather be traded to Florida and be there without Marchand, or wait and sign there as a free agent and be there with Marchand?

Florida would be weaker if they lost Marchand to get Marner than if they had both.

 

[rielledup]

It would be wonderful if you could use the cap savings to get two big physical forwards who can score 25 goals and 50-60 points, but that seems unlikely. Don't know where you would find those players or what assets we have left to trade for good players.

 

[Trapper]

Again. They already have.
You think they will cut negotiations?
Pelley just said that Berube will
Have more input.

He said that he 100% wants Marner back.

Do you have any evidence at all that they aren’t going to offer a contract?

Hope the Shanahan disease hasn’t infected Tre/Berube. It s time to cut ties and move on a different direction.

 

[Beneven Stanciano]

now you're getting carried away , Mitch was ppg so while he was far from dominating he still had a decent playoffs , fans are pissed and want change which is understandable but their anger is clouding there judgement

we're not getting better letting Marner walk , if you want to get better then you say adios to Johnny the mumbling ghost , all Willie needs as a Center for an effective line is a decently skilled 2 way guy , he doesn't need a slow footed stiff that can only plant himself in the crease/slot waiting to be fed , it wasn't a shock the Islanders vastly improved the second JT left , he's like the DeRozen of hockey , puts up stats (in the regular season) but doesn't help your team win

the problem is Johnny always gets a free pass regardless how bad he plays while his teammates get chucked under the bus , it's a strange phenomenon that's been happening with JT for 20 yrs dating back to jr

Who gives a toss about ppg?! Dude is a coward and a weiner. I wouldn't want him on my roller hockey team, this dude is house league all the way. Is everyone able to recognize the rich bitch-type kids at the rink all the time who thinks they are great because they have "hands"? But they have zero team game and don't play in tournaments and shit. That is this guy. HF

 

[Legion34]

I meant weaker because they had to trade someone.

Just as an example, say Florida was willing to trade Marchand for Marner. If you were Marner would you rather be traded to Florida and be there without Marchand, or wait and sign there as a free agent and be there with Marchand?

Florida would be weaker if they lost Marchand to get Marner than if they had both.

And lose the 8th year?
Again. This is a potential difference of 14 million ish dollars.

1.) is playing with “Marchand” or another player worth giving up 14 million gauranteed? How much do you really want to play with any given player?

2.) the cap is finite. So Mitch taking money automatically leads to a player leaving. If he takes 14 million. Most good teams will have to get rid of someone. Teams dump players to make room all
The time.

3.) the same argument could have applied when he held out for every last cent. His best friends and mentors (Martin/marleau) and Tons of players had to be moved out to accommodate his salary.
Why didnt he just take 9 million a year to play with better players?

Mitch will decide where he wants to go. He will decide if the 8th year is important to him.
He is leaving a top 5 team. If he wants to leave. Then he is probably not going to a clearly better team.

I don’t think “teams losing assets” has ever ranked high on any ufas list.

 

[mikeyz]

Mitch Marner could have saved himself from a permanent negative view from most Leaf fans had he just let Treliving trade him to Carlolina for Rantanen.

Now, he's going to be hated by most of Leafs Nation for the rest of his career !!! Wherever you end up, enjoy being booed by Leaf fans everywhere.

Thanks Mitch for taking a HUGE paycheck and NOT giving anything back to our Leafs, especially during the playoffs !!! Yes, you had a 100, or nearly 100 point seasons, however that wasn't enough when you couldn't ever perform to your salary in the playoffs !!!

Agreed 100%.

 

[Nineteen67]

Again. They already have.
You think they will cut negotiations?
Pelley just said that Berube will
Have more input.

He said that he 100% wants Marner back.

Do you have any evidence at all that they aren’t going to offer a contract?

Apparently they had offered him, however I think the playoffs opened their eyes and I doubt they’ll have any meaningful negotiations

 

[Stephen]

We shouldn’t even want Marner back or JT for that matter. Isn’t 9 years of this core (7 for Tavares) enough to show they just don’t have what it takes.

I kinda agree. If we just spent the money like drunken sailors on 3 guys combining to make $22 million or whatever we would be 1 body deeper and 3 fresh voices in that room. If you could purge Morgan Rielly too you could have nearly $30 million in a new roster and up to 4 upper middle class players to change the culture.

 

[Gabriel426]

in about a month or so, we will know what’s going to happen.

The thing is that if MM is gone. Some here will think it is some sort of victory and some will think it is some sort of defeat….

If MM resigns, some here will act like the Leafs won the Cup and some will be piss….

The truth is that it doesn’t matter if MM resigns or not or who else Leafs is going to sign, trade… the only thing that matters is can this team win the Cup. And at this moment with 7 yrs of playoffs data, bringing the Core 5 back pretty much means not winning the Cup bc none of them had shown anything in the playoffs that they CAN do it. When the going gets tough, they all disappeared and shy away from taking the lead.

Even if all five are on great contracts for another 4-5yrs. They still need to trade 3-4 of them bc they had 7 yrs of data showing they can’t do it.

 

[Nineteen67]

now you're getting carried away , Mitch was ppg so while he was far from dominating he still had a decent playoffs , fans are pissed and want change which is understandable but their anger is clouding there judgement

we're not getting better letting Marner walk , if you want to get better then you say adios to Johnny the mumbling ghost , all Willie needs as a Center for an effective line is a decently skilled 2 way guy , he doesn't need a slow footed stiff that can only plant himself in the crease/slot waiting to be fed , it wasn't a shock the Islanders vastly improved the second JT left , he's like the DeRozen of hockey , puts up stats (in the regular season) but doesn't help your team win

the problem is Johnny always gets a free pass regardless how bad he plays while his teammates get chucked under the bus , it's a strange phenomenon that's been happening with JT for 20 yrs dating back to jr

They need to get different. Marner got pushed out of the playoffs once again, there’s no need to run it back again.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Berube literally said he wanted him back 100%

Publically he did, he has no choice, not his decision. But the discourse must stop, and the leader of that is....

 

[thewave]

First, in your example the team we're trading him to thinks he's only worth 12 (13.5 - 1.5), so why would we sign him for more?

Second, if he's willing to go to that team, why sign here (which would cost his new team assets) instead if just signing there as a free agent?

Say Vegas says we want Mitch at 12m not a penny more. Mitch says 13m under Vegas tax scheme and I want 8 years.

Toronto could sign him to 13m x 8 and trade while retaining 1m a year but we get a returned prospect or pick back.

We would be facilitating the deal. Making it work or else Mitch may go somewhere else.

 

[thewave]

Can't believe people want him back

He's absolutely dreadful for us in these series while taking up all the pp time and on line 1.

It really confuses me how you can want him back.... Those regular season assist totals will trick ppl I guess

He is clearly weaker than Nylander come playoffs. No need to overpay.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner is not the better player tho. And for sure not the better person.

It’s ok to prefer a player but there’s no basis for stating he’s not the better player. Better goal scorer for sure.

Second part is just dumb, you have no idea what kind of person either player is.

 

[vpasla1]

Say Vegas says we want Mitch at 12m not a penny more. Mitch says 13m under Vegas tax scheme and I want 8 years.

Toronto could sign him to 13m x 8 and trade while retaining 1m a year but we get a returned prospect or pick back.

We would be facilitating the deal. Making it work or else Mitch may go somewhere else.

Team have a maximum of three trade retention slots.
It makes no sense to tie one up for 8 years, especially for $1 to 1.5 million.
A lot can change in eight years.

The rest of the logistics could work, we do have some leverage, but there hasn't been any indication that Marner would give a team a break and play an extra year for 'free' in order to have a better AAV.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think anyone can be certain which way this will go so question for those who think it could go either way - what are the odds he's a Leaf when the season starts?

I ask because I made a bet on it today with a friend. Not a lot of money, just a fun bet and I'm curious as to what people think.

 

[Confucius]

Again. They already have.
You think they will cut negotiations?
Pelley just said that Berube will
Have more input.

He said that he 100% wants Marner back.

Do you have any evidence at all that they aren’t going to offer a contract?

He said he 100% wants JT back

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I would be completely shocked if he was back next year. The team trying to trade him for Rantanen seemed to me like it was curtains flr Mitch in Toronto. Leafs probably had a number for him and it wasn’t even in Ferris’ ballpark; after that it was donzo.

 

[Madap]

I don't think anyone can be certain which way this will go so question for those who think it could go either way - what are the odds he's a Leaf when the season starts?

I ask because I made a bet on it today with a friend. Not a lot of money, just a fun bet and I'm curious as to what people think.

Despite everything that’s being said, I still think there’s a decent chance he’s back. Maybe 75% goes and 25% back.

The team probably prefers to not have him back but they really shot themselves in the foot with those trades this year. It’s very difficult to build through FA and they have no trade capital so that may force their hand to make him another offer so they don’t lose value completely.

Then it will be up to him to decide to come back, which is also unlikely but who knows. I’m sure his world was shattered when he found out fans want him gone rather than think of him as a god, but arrogant guys like that have short memories and could totally see him wanting to run it back too after a few weeks.