Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[TheGreatOne11]

I'm supposed to be upset because we are letting a 100 point player walk for nothing.



But.



I am not.



You're not winning the cup relying on Marner and spending 13 million on him. He's literally THE passenger.



He shrinks in the playoffs, he can't handle the intensity, the physicality of it. He absolutely does not elevate his game and we need people that can do that.



Goodbye Mitch, I'd love to say it's been fun, but it hasn't

 

[L3af]

His cap hit will improve our club according to our needs.

And Gavrikov sounds like a good start to me.

Reverse perception about playing our club as an easy mark and become known for a solid defence like Carolina, who are perennial contenders.

See if Boeser is available. I think he goes home to Minnesota, but if he's free and we nab them both. That's a good day.

How the hell are you gonna afford Gavrikov, unless you somehow get Mo off the team?

 

[Leafs87]

Dubas f***ed us so hard. Losing him for free stings. Bringing him back is likely not even an option. How did Toronto not get in on the Matthew Tkachuk action. I’d assume Calgary would have done it too….

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Has he ever played center in the NHL? Supposedly one of the best defensive wingers in the league, also a good playmaker and played center in junior. Curious if they ever tried him there.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Has he ever played center in the NHL? Supposedly one of the best defensive wingers in the league, also a good playmaker and played center in junior. Curious if they ever tried him there.

He is solid defensively. In the RS you can play him in any situation as a winger. In the playoffs he underachieves significantly and you cannot rely upon him to raise intensity.

 

[Dreakmur]

Has he ever played center in the NHL? Supposedly one of the best defensive wingers in the league, also a good playmaker and played center in junior. Curious if they ever tried him there.

He never played center in Junior.

 

[paul9kariya]

Money always seemed most important to Marner. Wouldn't count out a sign and trade so he gets his 8th year. I just can't see him not caring about that.

He's probably more upset that 8th year is in jeopardy than he is about losing.

 

[Community]

I dont even know what you do moving forward. Does it make sense to re-sign Mitch and trade Nylander?

I know everybody is upset with Mitch and the core 4 once again (rightfully so), but how the hell does you get better by letting Marner go? There's nobody good left to spend that cap on unless you waste a year while praying that McDavid doesn't re-sign with the Oilers.

Best replacement for Marner and Tavares are big drop offs, aging stars, or other poor playoff players... which would not improve our team. Even if we added the 3 other top forward UFAs (not happening), are we really better with three of these forwards (Ehlers/Bennet/Boeser/Nelson/Marchand) for the same caphit as Marner and JT?


We have no 1st round pick until 2028. After all the complaing about Dubas trading picks like candy, Treliving decided he wanted to one-up that this year.

 

[yubbers]

I dont even know what you do moving forward. Does it make sense to re-sign Mitch and trade Nylander?

I know everybody is upset with Mitch and the core 4 once again (rightfully so), but how the hell does you get better by letting Marner go? There's nobody good left to spend that cap on unless you waste a year while praying that McDavid doesn't re-sign with the Oilers.

Best replacement for Marner and Tavares are big drop offs, aging stars, or other poor playoff players... which would not improve our team. Even if we added the 3 other top forward UFAs (not happening), are we really better with three of these forwards (Ehlers/Bennet/Boeser/Nelson/Marchand) for the same caphit as Marner and JT?


We have no 1st round pick until 2028. After all the complaing about Dubas trading picks like candy, Treliving decided he wanted to one-up that this year.

remind us all what the definition of insanity is.

 

[stats1]

I dont even know what you do moving forward. Does it make sense to re-sign Mitch and trade Nylander?

I know everybody is upset with Mitch and the core 4 once again (rightfully so), but how the hell does you get better by letting Marner go? There's nobody good left to spend that cap on unless you waste a year while praying that McDavid doesn't re-sign with the Oilers.

Best replacement for Marner and Tavares are big drop offs, aging stars, or other poor playoff players... which would not improve our team. Even if we added the 3 other top forward UFAs (not happening), are we really better with three of these forwards (Ehlers/Bennet/Boeser/Nelson/Marchand) for the same caphit as Marner and JT?


We have no 1st round pick until 2028. After all the complaing about Dubas trading picks like candy, Treliving decided he wanted to one-up that this year.

This is team is going to end up getting blown up. It’s going to be in stages though. Shanahan first to go. Marner gone, I’d personally let Tavares walk, I’d trade Rielly. You use the cap space and go get the best available options. You run it back next season, if they fail again you gotta look at moving Matthews, after next year he’s got 2 years left on his contract. Willy will have 6 left so he might be harder to move. Matthews though could bring in a haul of assets. The positive thing for the Leafs is they still have some decent young pieces. Knies is only 22 and already a 30 goal scorer, Cowan, Danford, and as much as he struggled Woll is still a pretty damn good young goalie to build around

 

[Community]

f*** it. Offer Marner 1x12-15 to show McDavid we will have capspace earmarked for him in the 1% chance scenario that he wants to come to Toronto. Maybe 2026 will still have their top end players available (Eichel/Kaprizov) or more quality top 6 options.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Then it is on you for being so insular. Try exposing yourself to the wider world, and not just black spaces. S**t, all you need to do to hear it is turn on the damned TV.

The term has been around long enough and has become so common that it has basically jumped the shark (do you get that reference?) and people who use it are often looked down upon the same as those who use the term 'boomer' (do you know that one?).

Lol what an ignorant take. I’ve literally never heard a person use the term ‘Snowflake’ in my life, I guess that means my life is insular? I see it here all the time though, and if I watched Fox News I’m sure I’d hear it there too.

 

[Community]

remind us all what the definition of insanity is.

I know emotions are high, but letting go Marner and JT to overspend on the few other top 6 forward UFAs will push us closer to the Kessel-era (or post 2004 lockout) Leafs.

Enough talent to never be the worst in the league, no first round picks for the foreseeable future, and overpriced aging UFAs with terrible contracts to slowly drag us into the sewer (Clarkson, Armstrong, Lupul, Phaneuf, Bolland, etc.)

I'm not even suggesting doing the same thing, I'm just saying that we are in an absolute terrible position right now to blow it up and I dont trust Treliving to improve this team with the capspace given from Marner and/or JT leaving... especially with the poor UFA forward class available this year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gary I don’t care if you believe me or not. You called me a term, I didn’t know what the f*** it was or what meant and I asked for clarification, end of story lol. Whoopty do.

Sorry I don’t go around calling people a snowflake on hfboards! Now that I know it’s a commonly used term I’ll make sure to use it more

Oh quit crying already. You called me "sensitive" for no good reason, I responded in kind with "snowflake" which is basically the same thing. If you can't take it, stop dishing it out.

Lol what an ignorant take. I’ve literally never heard a person use the term ‘Snowflake’ in my life, I guess that means my life is insular? I see it here all the time though, and if I watched Fox News I’m sure I’d hear it there too.

It's amazing how many people have said the same thing and this is why I don't believe you @francis246. It's nothing personal, it's just that for someone who spends as much time posting here as you do, you'd have to be blind to never have seen the term as you claim. Maybe you're telling the truth, I obviously have no way of knowing but I have no reason to take your word for it either and it sure sounds fishy.

 

[ITM]

How the hell are you gonna afford Gavrikov, unless you somehow get Mo off the team?

The hint is in the opening sentence.

But the finer point is, Reilly isn't good enough and there will be bidders on Gavrikov.

I would worry about the second step after the first; Buyout. Bench. Who cares. Moving forward requires less hand-wringing and greater gumption.

We're past hurt feelings.

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

Has he ever played center in the NHL? Supposedly one of the best defensive wingers in the league, also a good playmaker and played center in junior. Curious if they ever tried him there.

Nope - Hunter when drafting him said "to play at centre", but he was never played there at all. (Can't even remember it happening even once.) Keep in mind that we drafted Matthews the following year, so the need for a centre went down (even more so a couple years later when we got Tavares.)

I'm sure he'd be game for centre if asked though - he filled in at defence, after all.

 

[QJo]

I can't see a contract number that both he is willing to accept and that would work with the teams' roster building needs.

You have to sort Knies then approach Marner with a number reflecting what you are willing to pay for a 2RW and be 100% willing to let him walk if not accepted.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Oh quit crying already. You called me "sensitive" for no good reason, I responded in kind with "snowflake" which is basically the same thing. If you can't take it, stop dishing it out.

It's amazing how many people have said the same thing and this is why I don't believe you @francis246. It's nothing personal, it's just that for someone who spends as much time posting here as you do, you'd have to be blind to never have seen the term as you claim. Maybe you're telling the truth, I obviously have no way of knowing but I have no reason to take your word for it either and it sure sounds fishy.

you’re taking this way too seriously. I’m sure there are plenty of other stupid buzzwords and catch phrases du jour that I’ve seen here that I don’t retain. Doesn’t strike me as at all implausible for someone else to gloss over a term like snowflake if it’s not already in their lexicon.

 

[Action Jackson]

I know emotions are high, but letting go Marner and JT to overspend on the few other top 6 forward UFAs will push us closer to the Kessel-era (or post 2004 lockout) Leafs.

Enough talent to never be the worst in the league, no first round picks for the foreseeable future, and overpriced aging UFAs with terrible contracts to slowly drag us into the sewer (Clarkson, Armstrong, Lupul, Phaneuf, Bolland, etc.)

I'm not even suggesting doing the same thing, I'm just saying that we are in an absolute terrible position right now to blow it up and I dont trust Treliving to improve this team with the capspace given from Marner and/or JT leaving... especially with the poor UFA forward class available this year.

Who said we have to overspend on UFA's right away? It's OK to have cap space, next year's UFA class is much better anyways and we have the legit 2nd best chance at landing McDavid

Marner is just an RW, theyre a dime a dozen

 

[Action Jackson]

Nope - Hunter when drafting him said "to play at centre", but he was never played there at all. (Can't even remember it happening even once.) Keep in mind that we drafted Matthews the following year, so the need for a centre went down (even more so a couple years later when we got Tavares.)

I'm sure he'd be game for centre if asked though - he filled in at defence, after all.

Are you unaware of how centres play in the NHL?

Do you honestly believe Marner could match with other top line centers in the league?

This is quite possibly the worst take i've ever read. He can barely function on the wing due to his size, and wingers are typically OK to be on the smaller size.

Centre???? What are you on bro

 

[ashs]

Marner has always been one of my fav players. But his ask destroys our chances at winning. Depressing. We need better guys but the max money these guys keep chasing won't let us win.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gary I don’t care if you believe me or not. You called me a term, I didn’t know what the f*** it was or what meant and I asked for clarification, end of story lol. Whoopty do.

Sorry I don’t go around calling people a snowflake on hfboards! Now that I know it’s a commonly used term I’ll make sure to use it more

Oh quit crying already. You told me to calm down and said I was "triggered" for no good reason, I responded with snowflake which seemed appropriate. If you can't take it, stop dishing it out.

Lol what an ignorant take. I’ve literally never heard a person use the term ‘Snowflake’ in my life, I guess that means my life is insular? I see it here all the time though, and if I watched Fox News I’m sure I’d hear it there too.

It's amazing how many people have said the same thing. This is why I'm having a hard time believing you @francis246. It's nothing personal.

you’re taking this way too seriously. I’m sure there are plenty of other stupid buzzwords and catch phrases du jour that I’ve seen here that I don’t retain. Doesn’t strike me as at all implausible for someone else to gloss over a term like snowflake if it’s not already in their lexicon.

Sounds like you're the one who's "taking this way too seriously". I'm just saying I find it hard to believe, that's all. Maybe he's telling the truth and maybe not but people do lie all the time. And call me crazy, but when you're posting anonymously on the internet, my guess is that people lie more often than they normally would.

 

[Smif]

Matthews had to babysit Marner. Nylander had top comp with lead feet on his line. It was so bad he didn't have time and space to do much of anything after Maurice changed tactics.

I am really worried about you guys with the Matthews and Willy hate. I feel like you need walked off the ledge.

Dont jump Matthews and Nylander fans!! Do do it! Sometimes there is addition by subtraction!

How you come to that conclusion is beyond me. Hating Marner but absolving Matthews sure is something...

People jumping on Marner for only having 1 point in the final four games meanwhile Willy had zero. Can't figure out how you like one and not the other here, seriously.

 

[thewave]

How you come to that conclusion is beyond me. Hating Marner but absolving Matthews sure is something...

People jumping in Marner for only having 1 point in the final four games meanwhile Willy had zero. Can't figure out how you like one and not the other here, seriously.

Berube hung Willy out to dry with the two prunes on his line. The top lines were already in despair and it was Berubes job to switch up AM and MM or try something else. He didn't and we lost because of that.

It's not that I absolve Nylander entirely. It's that I get who he was playing with. MM and AM bill themselves as top 5 players in the NHL and expect that level of compensation. They both failed miserably but Matthews has a known injury.

That's my reasoning.

 

[Smif]

Berube hung Willy out to dry with the two prunes on his line. The top lines were already in despair and it was Berubes job to switch up AM and MM or try something else. He didn't and we lost because of that.

It's not that I absolve Nylander entirely. It's that I get who he was playing with. MM and AM bill themselves as top 5 players in the NHL and expect that level of compensation. They both failed miserably but Matthews has a known injury.

That's my reasoning.

So Willy was able to put up 15 points in 9 games with two prunes but then couldn't do anything in the final 4 games? Sound logic as usual.