Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[HofT]

These are just excuses to rip the Leafs off...states like Boston and New York are high tax states...how about Edmonton and Winnipeg? Why are all those players not ripping their team off? Marner is greedy and Dubas is a fool. Also players are paid USD, so there's an FX advantage living in Canada.

Toronto is still pays more taxes than Boston/New York. Edmonton has McDavid - one of the best of all time. And there's nothing to write home about Winnipeg.

 

[Sundinisagod]

IMHO 1-2 million always matters, but in Marner's case maybe it doesn't matter much because if you're paying him 11/12/13/14 (or god forbid the rumoured ask of 15.5), he's just not worth it at any of those numbers.

If you're happy with just making the playoffs, then sure, keeping Marner makes sense, that's not me though and I'm pretty sure it's not most fans. f*** compiling assists in November, help the team win in the playoffs. He's too much of a whiny baby to do that though, his meltdown last night I would think made that crystal clear for anyone who hadn't figured it out yet.

Do you really want this loser back? And are even willing to bend over again on contract negotiations because 1-2 million more doesn't matter? SMH.

Where are you hearing this rumored ask of 15.5 ??

 

[HofT]

Marner sucked Panther balls all series. Why defend the whining wimp? No point in doing that.

Played great in the first 2 games, and also in game 6. It's ok to admit this.

 

[Antropovsky]

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Insanity if he turned 13.5 million down. Wondering if it didnt come with a full NMC.

 

[Stephen]

Toronto is still pays more taxes than Boston/New York. Edmonton has McDavid - one of the best of all time. And there's nothing to write home about Winnipeg.

Yeah it's the tax code, fan base and media. Everything but the players fault. What else is there, the humidity levels, allergy season and feng shui?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Ha ha... Beat it.

I watch the games on mute. But I turned the volume up in the third for this one. Just to hear the fans boo Marner.

I was booing him too.

That was the most shameful performance by this team yet. Spearheaded by yet another shameful performance of Marner's. The dead rot from the head and Marner is the head of this snake.

When the player's heads start to roll his needs to be first to go.

His production in the regular season can be adequately replaced by one or more forwards. And his production in the playoffs can be reproduced even easier. Not bringing this snot snosed crybaby back would be the best thing this team could do.

You take the trash out... you don't bring it back in.

 

[HofT]

Yeah it's the tax code, fan base and media. Everything but the players fault. What else is there, the humidity levels, allergy season and feng shui?

I mean, our team isn't good enough. I just don't think the solution is letting one of your better players walk freely like how most fans are thinking right now. And I do think the leafs would resign Marner - its the fans who don't want him and Marner knows this. He will walk, don't worry.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Actually I dunno about that. Darren Ferris' other big UFA client is Sam Bennett and he's not signing in Florida either. Might be a general agency tactic to create maximum will he stay or will he go drama, drive up the price and squeeze out the extra million here and there over 8 years. It's not like Toronto was too much to bear at the trade deadline when he could have moved onto another ready made contender in the east.

The way Marner yelled at the bench as the game slipped away. Had me thinking that maybe this was the moment it dawned on him that it might all very well be over in that instant, and in some way he didn't want it to go down like that. Simply, this is the behaviour of a guy who thinks he can have it all.

On the other, other hand. MLSE may look at a screwed up Matthews and realize they don't want to go down the path of losing two superstars, one to decline and the other to free agency. So to take zero steps back they pay the asking price. That would be the ultimate Groundhog Day.

Marner's motivations are a bit opaque to me. I think there's merit to what francis246 is saying in that Marner wants to leave anyway and it's not about the money - in which I'd square him vetoing the trade to Carolina being Marner wanting to control his own destiny via UFA and not quitting on his team mid-season. That makes plausible sense to me, as does your italicised comment above, which is honestly MORE plausible given his outbursts last night.

In terms of MLSE, I think the bolded bit is actually a lot clearer. Yes, it's Groundhog day, but it's also the optimal asset management if there's some sort of non-full NMC/NTC that is agree. It's a dumb hockey move, but $12M-$13M x 8 with moderate flexibility to trade would be prudent versus losing him for absolutely nothing.

 

[ToneDog]

Insanity if he turned 13.5 million down. Wondering if it didnt come with a full NMC.

Third hour 4:50 mark. Later at 13:30 mark with Seravelli.

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Downright awful the entire Florida series. Always seemed to be hovering around the blue line when I would notice him, leaving Auston and Knies out to dry. When was the last time he made an offensive play? Game 2? No physicality whatsoever, no push back. He's just not a playoff performer, he's a perimeter orientated wimp who becomes even more perimeter orientated in the playoffs.... and its over and over again.

I doubt Brad even talks to him about an extension, enjoy Utah, Chicago or New York Mitch. You haven't evolved as player since you're 3rd year.

 

[HofT]

Marner's motivations are a bit opaque to me. I think there's merit to what francis246 is saying in that Marner wants to leave anyway and it's not about the money - in which I'd square him vetoing the trade to Carolina being Marner wanting to control his own destiny via UFA and not quitting on his team mid-season. That makes plausible sense to me, as does your italicised comment above, which is honestly MORE plausible given his outbursts last night.

In terms of MLSE, I think the bolded bit is actually a lot clearer. Yes, it's Groundhog day, but it's also the optimal asset management if there's some sort of non-full NMC/NTC that is agree. It's a dumb hockey move, but $12M-$13M x 8 with moderate flexibility to trade would be prudent versus losing him for absolutely nothing.

You're saying it better than I am. Thank you.

 

[francis246]

My take in 180 degrees of yours, Marner's self perception of himself and his contract $$ greed has no boundaries. Marner claimed Matthews was his only comparable last contract and no question in my mind Matthews new contract at $13.25 mil is once again his target to meet or exceed.

His actions and his words DO NOT back that up..

If Marner didn't want to be in Toronto then why did he invoke his NMC to void the Rantanen trade?

Treliving attempted to accommodate him and Marner could be in Carolina right now and still in the playoffs, with the Canes in the final 4 and Leafs with Rantanen the playoffs leading scorer would also likely be moving on as well, about to face each other now in the Eastern conference finals.

Marner screwed the Leafs and himself in the process for a player you claim wanted to leave.

How do you square that to your opinion of Marner wanting OUT by blocking it?

Carolina probably wasn’t his preferred destination. He could have wanted to lead but not to Carolina. That’s his right. Next time the leafs shouldn’t ask at the 11th hour of the trade deadline.

To sum it up as he didn’t want to leave because he wouldn’t waive to go to Carolina is grade 2 level thinking. The world isn’t black or white.

You can make up your mind that you want to leave but also want to finish out the season here. John Tavares did that, Chris Bosh did that as a raptor (in FACT Chris bosh afterwards came out and said that he already agreed he would go to Miami I think 2 or 3 years prior when he went to the Olympics with LeBron and D Wade), Stamkos decided he was gonna test UFA as well and then he resigned. One decision doesn’t = that’s not what he wanted. There are so many variables in play. Just because he said no to one trade doesn’t mean he didn’t already decide he was leaving. He simply could also just want to have wanted to leave on his own terms. Regardless of what we think of him, that’s the right he’s earned as player with UFA status and an NMC unfortunately.

 

[Superstar]

Toronto is still pays more taxes than Boston/New York. Edmonton has McDavid - one of the best of all time. And there's nothing to write home about Winnipeg.

McDavid actually took a discount...Winnipeg is not the most desirable place to live in Canada, but those players are not screaming and crying for a huge overpayment to play in Winnipeg are they? Marner has more endorsements playing in Toronto than he does playing anywhere in Canada, even many places in the states. Instead of being grateful, he thinks he's entitled.

 

[Antropovsky]

Played great in the first 2 games, and also in game 6. It's ok to admit this.

Good if he was a 7 million dollar player AT BEST.

Domi is 4 million and he:
- had more goals than Marner
- had the game 2 gwg in OT vs Ottawa
- set-up the game 6 gwg vs Ottawa
- he set up the game 6 goal to put the leaf 2-0 vs Fla.
- had the game 7 goal to make it 3-1 vs Fla before flood gates opened again.
- played the harder center position

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm sorry you don't like context that doesn't fits your narrative.
It's you who is blaming players - not me.

And you find that weird.

Where are you hearing this rumored ask of 15.5 ??

It was mentioned a few days ago, can't remember where. I'm also not taking it seriously but then again, you never know. 13.5 has been bandied about and his last contract was 2 million more per year then I was expecting so ... you just never know.

 

[ToneDog]

Good if he was a 7 million dollar player AT BEST.

Domi is 4 million:
- he had more goals than Marner
- had the game 1 gwg against OT vs Ottawa
- he set up the game 6 gwg vs Ottawa
- he set up the game 6 goal to put the leaf 2-0 vs Fla.
- And he had the game 7 goal to make it 3-1 vs Fla before flood gates opened again.

Patches led the team with 6 points in round 2. Think about that for a moment.

 

[Stephen]

Marner's motivations are a bit opaque to me. I think there's merit to what francis246 is saying in that Marner wants to leave anyway and it's not about the money - in which I'd square him vetoing the trade to Carolina being Marner wanting to control his own destiny via UFA and not quitting on his team mid-season. That makes plausible sense to me, as does your italicised comment above, which is honestly MORE plausible given his outbursts last night.

In terms of MLSE, I think the bolded bit is actually a lot clearer. Yes, it's Groundhog day, but it's also the optimal asset management if there's some sort of non-full NMC/NTC that is agree. It's a dumb hockey move, but $12M-$13M x 8 with moderate flexibility to trade would be prudent versus losing him for absolutely nothing.

I woke up with the feeling that the two parties will realize this and that ultimately the mind numbing sameness of their playoff failures will be preferable to the unknowable chaos of change. Kind of like Vladdy Jr refusing to negotiate with the Jays only to sign his big deal a month later.

MLSE will realize they'll never get to a Florida level and win a cup, but they don't want to fall to a Detroit level and never sniff the playoffs. Marner will realize deep down he's not capable of winning, and this city is fine to live in for maybe 335 days of the year and he's going to be a hundred sheets richer.

 

[HofT]

Good if he was a 7 million dollar player AT BEST.

Domi is 4 million:
- he had more goals than Marner
- had the game 1 gwg against OT vs Ottawa
- he set up the game 6 gwg vs Ottawa
- he set up the game 6 goal to put the leaf 2-0 vs Fla.
- And he had the game 7 goal to make it 3-1 vs Fla before flood gates opened again.

Are you confident Domi can even bring the leafs to the playoffs next season? I think we're forgetting how much of a struggle it is to make it. A lot of teams would trade shoes with us.

 

[IPS]

Insanity if he turned 13.5 million down. Wondering if it didnt come with a full NMC.

He has the most over-inflated sense of value for himself I've ever seen in a player.

That's half a million shy of what Draistail will be starting his new contract on next year. This kid literally views himself as a comparable of Draisaitl.

 

[francis246]

If that is the case, the Leafs deserve some criticism for not forcing him to give them a list of teams he would be willing to go to. They did nothing and now he'll walk for cap space.

I think they should have just straight up told him we don’t want to resign you last off season. Instead of playing the dog and poney show. They tried to do that too late, after the season started and it just made it less likely he’d accept a trade mid way, while his wife is pregnant.

 

[HofT]

And you find that weird.

It was mentioned a few days ago, can't remember where. I'm also not taking it seriously but then again, you never know. 13.5 has been bandied about and his last contract was 2 million more per year then I was expecting so ... you just never know.

Yea, it's weird because there's so much more context to consider and you're ignoring it for the sake of it.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Don't let da door hit ya in da *ass on your way outta town Mitchy .. you are a great kid but like I told your dad until you lengthen your stride you aren't gonna be da deciding factor in big time games .. same holds true at 10 as it does at 28 .. but you can be a secondary piece at lower CAP hit somewhere else .. keep smiling kid .. you did well financially .. well done

 

[Stephen]

I mean, our team isn't good enough. I just don't think the solution is letting one of your better players walk freely like how most fans are thinking right now. And I do think the leafs would resign Marner - its the fans who don't want him and Marner knows this. He will walk, don't worry.

The dark realpolitik is MLSE may need him back and Marner won't have the stomach to move.

 

[Antropovsky]

Are you confident Domi can even bring the leafs to the playoffs next season? I think we're forgetting how much of a struggle it is to make it. A lot of teams would trade shoes with us.

Meh save us wasting our time watching these guys in the playoffs.

Hope for Mcdavid at the end of next year. I think McD wants to be here.....that is a player who loves Toronto, hates losing and wants to win on the biggest stage in the world. I believe his wife is also from Toronto area. So both of their familes are here.

 

[ToneDog]

He has the most over-inflated sense of value for himself I've ever seen in a player.

That's half a million shy of what Draistail will be starting his new contract on next year. This kid literally views himself as a comparable of Draisaitl.

Kyper was in the know when he said Marner wanted Draisaitl money, then backed off and said $13.8m the next day. Now we hear rumours that Marner wanted $15.5m and Leafs offered $13.5m. Insanity.