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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

Think about the scar tissue on playing Game 5 and 7 at home and losing by a combined score of 12-2 with one empty netter only. On top of 8 other playoff experiences that ended in Game 5 at the latest. And happened once.

Who is kicking whom out and who actually quit on the city and fanbase first?
There was very little positives from everyone on the team. And it's the fans/media giving up, not the team.
 
When we drafted him and seeing him play for the leafs first year, I honestly thought he would be the guy. Saw him a Giroux type of player. Giroux was insane in his first 5 playoff appearences when Philly had decent team
Eh? Were they similar in juniors? I saw Giroux once before he joined Philly, in the WJHC in Czechia. Thought we was a grinder :P
 
Hey, I get your frustrated. I'm just wanted to help you understand that fanaticism is irrational.
So is ignoring basic pattern recognition skills because of an emotional attachment to individuals, but sure man, I'm irrational for wanting someone fired.
 
They still didn’t have to pay that much for an unproven winger, especially considering what other wingers I the league were making
He got 94 points in his contract year at age 21. It's a tad high but it's also Canada, we are at a disadvantage due to tax.
 
It's absolutely going to be very interesting what he ends up getting at free agency.
For sure. The 7 year equivalent of that is 15.5M. Seems impossible. Almost wondering if he's calling the Leafs bluff and wanting us to up the offer.
 
So the rumours are the Leafs offered $13.5m and Ferris turned it down. Now imagine where this team would be today if Marner had signed that deal. If anything we should thank him for not allowing the Leafs to shoot themselves in the face on his way out of Toronto.

Or it sounds like maybe just maybe, Marner had little interest in signing all along like I had mentioned earlier in year and it’s not a money thing. A lot of players use this tactic, say no to absurds amount of money because they know they don’t want to be here. It’s never been about money. I wouldn’t be surprised if Marner signs for way less than the reported numbers (I’ve been consistent in saying this all year), he probably just didn’t want to sign in Toronto anymore. His actions and his words back that up.
 
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I think that you consider Gilmour, Clark, Sundin, Roberts, Sittler, Salming and everyone else who's played for the Leafs since 1967 losers, and therefore your opinion on anything related to the NHL is worthless.
Some of those players won on other teams. I'm not calling the players losers. I'm calling those Leaf teams losers. And they are.
 
I think that you consider Gilmour, Clark, Sundin, Roberts, Sittler, Salming and everyone else who's played for the Leafs since 1967 losers, and therefore your opinion on anything related to the NHL is worthless.
The game is hard, there's a lot of luck. No one is guaranteed a chip. Process over results. If the guys play like winners, still lose, forgive em.

Our guys played like losers, lost, no forgiveness.
 
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For sure. The 7 year equivalent of that is 15.5M. Seems impossible. Almost wondering if he's calling the Leafs bluff and wanting us to up the offer.

I don’t think it’s a money play. I think he’s just wanted out. I think he signs 12.5 somewhere. He could have had a great contract here and stayed at home but he said no. That to me screams it’s more than money, it screams someone who just doesn’t want to be in this market anymore.
 
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The team lost by 11 goals combined on 2 home ice advantage games to finish the season. That’s not the media and fans eh.
It's been baking for years already. Media and fans have been extremely harsh on them ever since they signed their contracts - they were young 20s - which also resulted in management sheltering them. And there's tons of reasons why it's not working out other than blaming 3 of your best players. Management should be 1st.
 
It's been baking for years already. Media and fans have been extremely harsh on them ever since they signed their contracts - they were young 20s - which also resulted in management sheltering them. And there's tons of reasons why it's not working out other than blaming 3 of your best players. Management should be 1st.

It'll let you in on a little secret. It's just a game and our guys just aren't that good at it. It's not that deep.

If you think it's on the fans and media, you better work on your glove hand this summer so you can make better saves from your couch.
 
Or it sounds like maybe just maybe, Marner had little interest in signing all along like I had mentioned earlier in year and it’s not a money thing. A lot of players use this tactic, say no to absurds amount of money because they know they don’t want to be here. It’s never been about money. I wouldn’t be surprised if Marner signs for way less than the reported numbers (I’ve been consistent in saying this all year), he probably just didn’t want to sign in Toronto anymore. His actions and his words back that up.
If that is the case, the Leafs deserve some criticism for not forcing him to give them a list of teams he would be willing to go to. They did nothing and now he'll walk for cap space.
 
It'll let you in on a little secret. It's just a game and our guys just aren't that good at it. It's not that deep.

If you think it's on the fans and media, you better work on your glove hand this summer so you can make better saves from your couch.
Well said!
 
So the rumours are the Leafs offered $13.5m and Ferris turned it down. Now imagine where this team would be today if Marner had signed that deal. If anything we should thank him for not allowing the Leafs to shoot themselves in the face on his way out of Toronto.
Link?
 
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Or it sounds like maybe just maybe, Marner had little interest in signing all along like I had mentioned earlier in year and it’s not a money thing. A lot of players use this tactic, say no to absurds amount of money because they know they don’t want to be here. It’s never been about money. I wouldn’t be surprised if Marner signs for way less than the reported numbers (I’ve been consistent in saying this all year), he probably just didn’t want to sign in Toronto anymore. His actions and his words back that up.

My take in 180 degrees of yours, Marner's self perception of himself and his contract $$ greed has no boundaries. Marner claimed Matthews was his only comparable last contract and no question in my mind Matthews new contract at $13.25 mil is once again his target to meet or exceed.

His actions and his words DO NOT back that up..

If Marner didn't want to be in Toronto then why did he invoke his NMC to void the Rantanen trade?

Treliving attempted to accommodate him and Marner could be in Carolina right now and still in the playoffs, with the Canes in the final 4 and Leafs with Rantanen the playoffs leading scorer would also likely be moving on as well, about to face each other now in the Eastern conference finals.

Marner screwed the Leafs and himself in the process for a player you claim wanted to leave.

How do you square that to your opinion of Marner wanting OUT by blocking it?
 
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I don’t think it’s a money play. I think he’s just wanted out. I think he signs 12.5 somewhere. He could have had a great contract here and stayed at home but he said no. That to me screams it’s more than money, it screams someone who just doesn’t want to be in this market anymore.

Actually I dunno about that. Darren Ferris' other big UFA client is Sam Bennett and he's not signing in Florida either. Might be a general agency tactic to create maximum will he stay or will he go drama, drive up the price and squeeze out the extra million here and there over 8 years. It's not like Toronto was too much to bear at the trade deadline when he could have moved onto another ready made contender in the east.

The way Marner yelled at the bench as the game slipped away. Had me thinking that maybe this was the moment it dawned on him that it might all very well be over in that instant, and in some way he didn't want it to go down like that. Simply, this is the behaviour of a guy who thinks he can have it all.

On the other, other hand. MLSE may look at a screwed up Matthews and realize they don't want to go down the path of losing two superstars, one to decline and the other to free agency. So to take zero steps back they pay the asking price. That would be the ultimate Groundhog Day.
 
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Radio. You can find the Morning Show podcasts on the Fan 590 web site. I do not recall which hour I heard it on.

 
Wait and see how mad the Leafs are at Marner. The juice is going to get released in the coming days.

Get your popcorn ready
 
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He got 94 points in his contract year at age 21. It's a tad high but it's also Canada, we are at a disadvantage due to tax.
These are just excuses to rip the Leafs off...states like Boston and New York are high tax states...how about Edmonton and Winnipeg? Why are all those players not ripping their team off? Marner is greedy and Dubas is a fool. Also players are paid USD, so there's an FX advantage living in Canada.
 

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