Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Mitch would be so sick if someone else was considered "the guy". This also applies to everyone in the core 4. None of them are the guy

 

[HofT]

Maybe you are unable to look beyond wins and losses, some of us can look a bit deeper than that.

Nostalgia is a trap that romanticizes the past and blinds you to the present

 

[LeafGrief]

Yea, because we're not getting any value back. And free agency doesn't look great.

Is there value in getting these losers away from Knies, our actual valuable piece? Is there value in building (the barest shreds of) a culture of accountability? Is there value in creating a new leadership structure?

Accountant at work gets caught embezzling. Does he get fired, or does he get to hire and train his replacement since there's nobody else who can do the work? Well, the guy with the humiliation fetish might keep that accountant, but for the other 99% of us, we're going to value the bigger picture.

Sure, we blow it up this offseason and we might suck for a while. But I don't see any value in what we have right now that's worth preserving. I'd trade the entire core for Future Considerations and an ounce of dignity. The only value these guys have left is the value in their public drubbings.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's fun to romanticize and live in fantasy land - but no, it's fundmenatlly all about winning. It's embarrassing to think highly of losers who did not achieve anything substantial. And my point is with Marner is, it really sucks losing a Rantanen type value for nothing.

You either don't get it, or you're on Marners payroll.

I believe he is the biggest issue, unfortunately. Our team winning percentage stays the same when Matthews is out. It says a lot me imo.

IMHO the Hart/Lindsay/Rocket trophies say more, a lot more. Agree to disagree.

Nostalgia is a trap that romanticizes the past and blinds you to the present

You're the one that's blind. Either that or you're on Marner's payroll.

 

[Mess]

The 2015 was a real strong draft class and as a amateur draft junkie I believed the Leafs made a BIG mistake drafting a small soft easily intimidated winger with the 4th overall pick.

Marner is the same player he is today come playoff time as he was at draft time and poorly equipped to be successful in a physical tight checking playoff series.

He chokes under pressure and disappears when the going gets tough. Just look as this playoff stats in meaningful games if you don't believe me.. That stats don't lie.

I've said it 100 times that Marner is the equivalent of "bringing a knife to a gun fight" come playoff time .. So lets hope the butter knife is now toast and we reload with true playoff performers.

 

[LeafGrief]

Nostalgia is a trap that romanticizes the past and blinds you to the present

Being a huge [REDACTED] is a trap that blinds you to the present too.

 

[Nineteen67]

And replace them with who?

Who knows at this point but they know it doesn’t work.

 

[ToneDog]

So the rumours are the Leafs offered $13.5m and Ferris turned it down. Now imagine where this team would be today if Marner had signed that deal. If anything we should thank him for not allowing the Leafs to shoot themselves in the face on his way out of Toronto.

 

[HofT]

Is there value in getting these losers away from Knies, our actual valuable piece? Is there value in building (the barest shreds of) a culture of accountability? Is there value in creating a new leadership structure?

Accountant at work gets caught embezzling. Does he get fired, or does he get to hire and train his replacement since there's nobody else who can do the work? Well, the guy with the humiliation fetish might keep that accountant, but for the other 99% of us, we're going to value the bigger picture.

Sure, we blow it up this offseason and we might suck for a while. But I don't see any value in what we have right now that's worth preserving. I'd trade the entire core for Future Considerations and an ounce of dignity. The only value these guys have left is the value in their public drubbings.

Again, you're blaming the culture of the team on the players instead of management. If you're not aware of that than you haven't been paying attention the full 10 years.

 

[sunstersun]

So the rumours are the Leafs offered $13.5m and Ferris turned it down. Now imagine where this team would be today if Marner had signed that deal. If anything we should thank him for not allowing the Leafs to shoot themselves in the face on his way out of Toronto.

I guess the FA situation is gonna be nuts. and 13.5 mil Marner might have been a trade asset?

I have no idea.

 

[Stephen]

I think we will find out his injury effected him more than people suspect.

I don’t know about that.

 

[IPS]

So the rumours are the Leafs offered $13.5m and Ferris turned it down. Now imagine where this team would be today if Marner had signed that deal. If anything we should thank him for not allowing the Leafs to shoot themselves in the face on his way out of Toronto.

It's absolutely going to be very interesting what he ends up getting at free agency.

 

[HofT]

You either don't get it, or you're on Marners payroll.

IMHO the Hart/Lindsay/Rocket trophies say more, a lot more. Agree to disagree.

You're the one that's blind. Either that or you're on Marner's payroll.

You don't think Marner has contributed to Matthews accolades?

 

[Stephen]

Toronto does seem to have a habit of kicking its star players out and then actually suck for a while. Looks like Leaf fans are going to get exactly what they want again.

Think about the scar tissue on playing Game 5 and 7 at home and losing by a combined score of 12-2 with one empty netter only. On top of 8 other playoff experiences that ended in Game 5 at the latest. And happened once.

Who is kicking whom out and who actually quit on the city and fanbase first?

 

[francis246]

I refuse to believe this team needs to be blown up. This roster needs a competent person to tweak the core. Game 7 of round 2 and won the division. They need to swap Marner for a Tkachuk type deal.

We already have Knies in that mold. Need a few more guys like that

Who is that player and where are they coming from?

We don’t know for sure if Bennett is going to hit UFA, Marner is walking so we can’t really trade him for that type of player and we don’t have a first round pick until 2028. So how can we get that type of player?

Boeser might be the best option available in terms of a pure goal scorer, but he’s often injured and just spent the better part of 8ish years in Canada as an American. You have to think he’s going to Minnesota.

 

[ToneDog]

I refuse to believe this team needs to be blown up. This roster needs a competent person to tweak the core. Game 7 of round 2 and won the division. They need to swap Marner for a Tkachuk type deal.

We already have Knies in that mold. Need a few more guys like that

Never going to get a Tkachuk but with a couple of solid players not afraid of their shadows, this team may not have been embarrassed in two of the last 3 games of this series.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Anticipation was that the salary cap would go up like it normally did. But covid happened.

They still didn’t have to pay that much for an unproven winger, especially considering what other wingers I the league were making

 

[HofT]

Being a huge [REDACTED] is a trap that blinds you to the present too.

Hey, I get your frustrated. I'm just wanted to help you understand that fanaticism is irrational.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You don't think Marner has contributed to Matthews accolades?

I think that you consider Gilmour, Clark, Sundin, Roberts, Sittler, Salming and everyone else who's played for the Leafs since 1967 losers, and therefore your opinion on anything related to the NHL is worthless.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Mitch would be so sick if someone else was considered "the guy". This also applies to everyone in the core 4. None of them are the guy

If he was the 4th or 5th “guy” maybe

 

[sunstersun]

They still didn’t have to pay that much for an unproven winger, especially considering what other wingers I the league were making

Let him come back with an offer sheet for fcks sake.......

 

[HofT]

Who knows at this point but they know it doesn’t work.

The team's structure didn't work as soon as we got Tavares. Now that he's coming off the books, we want to get rid of one of our prime players for free.

 

[LeafGrief]

Again, you're blaming the culture of the team on the players instead of management. If you're not aware of that than you haven't been paying attention the full 10 years.

?????????????????????

Bro WHAT?

Lamoriello, Dubas, Treliving

Babcock, Keefe, Berube

A million different assistant coaches

We have changed literally everything but the players and Shanahan. Yeah, Shanahan is a loser who has to go, but he's not the one on the ice, my guy.

Yes I'm blaming the players for the culture. They're not numbers on a spreadsheet, they're the human men who are playing the game and are the components of the culture that we're talking about. There's plenty of other blame to be handed out amongst the management figures I listed, but we've fired all of them already and it's only the players left.

Seriously, anybody who's played sports, or shit man, held a freaking job, understands that culture and leadership exists within the ranks and that's important too.

 

[francis246]

The 2015 was a real strong draft class and as a amateur draft junkie I believed the Leafs made a BIG mistake drafting a small soft easily intimidated winger with the 4th overall pick.

Marner is the same player he is today come playoff time as he was at draft time and poorly equipped to be successful in a physical tight checking playoff series.

He chokes under pressure and disappears when the going gets tough. Just look as this playoff stats in meaningful games if you don't believe me.. That stats don't lie.

I've said it 100 times that Marner is the equivalent of "bringing a knife to a gun fight" come playoff time .. So lets hope the butter knife is now toast and we reload with true playoff performers.

I don’t think they made a mistake drafting Marner. The mistake they made in 2015 was f***ing trading back from the Konecny pick. You get both of those guys and see how they develop and then trade one when it’s advantageous for the team. Even when we did trade back, we didn’t listen to Babcock and get a center in Aho who he wanted.

They picked the right guy at the time, it’s the subsequent moves after Marner in that draft that are brutal to accept because those moves could have made Marner expendable.

 

[fahad203]

Mitch would be so sick if someone else was considered "the guy". This also applies to everyone in the core 4. None of them are the guy

When we drafted him and seeing him play for the leafs first year, I honestly thought he would be the guy. Saw him a Giroux type of player. Giroux was insane in his first 5 playoff appearences when Philly had decent team