Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ITM]

They still f***ing lost. They didn’t win anything. You guys are still glorifying a bunch of losers because they checked hard. At the end of the day, they didn’t win. So to me it’s not different than this core. They didn’t get it done.

Well there is the Fraser call.

Someone really should do a deep dive on game analysis and the calls we get and don’t get in those key games.

 

[IPS]

They still f***ing lost. They didn’t win anything. You guys are still glorifying a bunch of losers because they checked hard. At the end of the day, they didn’t win. So to me it’s not different than this core. They didn’t get it done.

Those teams played with heart, tried hard, and punched above their weight relative to their skills. Super likeable teams.

Our current core is the precise polar opposite.

 

[Anthrax442]

They still f***ing lost. They didn’t win anything. You guys are still glorifying a bunch of losers because they checked hard. At the end of the day, they didn’t win. So to me it’s not different than this core. They didn’t get it done.

True But how they lost is how these ones will be remembered forever

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think that JT had a great year and playoffs until he got hit in a game in the 1st round (can't remember which one), but since then he's been ineffective.

He's consistently underachieved for us in the playoffs though, it's not just this spring.

 

[HofT]

There were a number of teams with heart. Maybe they didn't achieve "anything special" but they didn't embarrass themselves either.

They all left in embarrassing ways.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They still f***ing lost. They didn’t win anything. You guys are still glorifying a bunch of losers because they checked hard. At the end of the day, they didn’t win. So to me it’s not different than this core. They didn’t get it done.

Also, calling these guys "losers", man that shows that you're not even close to getting it. Give your head a shake.

 

[francis246]

Those teams played with heart, tried hard, and punched above their weight relative to their skills. Super likeable teams.

Our current core is the precise polar opposite.

I don’t care if a team is likeable. What matters is results. If this core won they’d still probably not be as likeable as the Gilmour group but they would have won and that’s what matters.

 

[slappipappi]

Trade Cowan and others and draft Porter Martone.

The Leafs don’t have the assets to trade for a top pick.

 

[BraveCanadian]

And they didn't really achieve anyting special. Nothing to brag about.

I dunno.. 92/93 they achieved fans fondly remembering those series and loving them as players forever because of the effort they put in and going down swinging and leaving it all out there.

This team has three times the talent but one tenth the heart. If Doug Gilmour in his prime was the captain of this team they would be planning the parade right now.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They all left in embarrassing ways.

LOL. I'd ask you to explain yourself but this is so ridiculous, and you also ignored my previous question so what's the point? You're only embarrassing yourself now.

 

[DarkKnight]

What was striking last night, again, he didn't look dangerous at all with the puck. Never once did you see something dynamic, a dangerous move, good edges, a cut back, it was on the margins and it was looking to dish. It was so ordinary to watch, but sadly always so typical in the end.

I'm a sucker for redemption stories, and a firm believer the next chance always provides an opportunity to change the narrative. I'm also a long suffering Eagles fan, they were serial failures forever, but finally pushed through and now have two Bowls and are an enviable organization.

Unfortunately, the die is cast here, no rising from the ashes, Marner will forever be the playoff failure, the great talent that simply wilts when we need him. He isn't alone, but it doesn't matter. It's a wasted legacy, so much promise over the years, perhaps the worst period in a tortured history.

He's gone, and frankly I don't think the franchise will be the better. Cap space is a lesser consolation prize, a trade was best and it didn't happen.

What a disappointment.

 

[francis246]

Also, calling these guys "losers", man that shows that you're not even close to getting it. Give your head a shake.

They lost. A loser is someone who doesn’t win right? I don’t have to feel the same way you do about those guys. I want a team that wins. If the team loses I feel the same way about them. I don’t love the Sundin group anymore than this group and that was my main group watching. I still feel the same way, both groups didn’t get it done and it’s disappointing.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They lost. A loser is someone who doesn’t win right? I don’t have to feel the same way you do about those guys. I want a team that wins. If the team loses I feel the same way about them. I don’t love the Sundin group anymore than this group and that was my main group watching. I still feel the same way, both groups didn’t get it done and it’s disappointing.

No, you're 100% wrong.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think that JT had a great year and playoffs until he got hit in a game in the 1st round (can't remember which one), but since then he's been ineffective.

They've got to turn the page on that guy as well. Just have to move on.

 

[francis246]

No, you're 100% wrong.

Hahaha what’s your definition of a loser then?

Oxford definition;

a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.

Or are we using urban dictionary for this situation?

 

[Confucius]

They lost. A loser is someone who doesn’t win right? I don’t have to feel the same way you do about those guys. I want a team that wins. If the team loses I feel the same way about them. I don’t love the Sundin group anymore than this group and that was my main group watching. I still feel the same way, both groups didn’t get it done and it’s disappointing.

They’re all winners

 

[HofT]

I dunno.. 92/93 they achieved fans fondly remembering those series and loving them as players forever because of the effort they put in and going down swinging and leaving it all out there.

This team has three times the talent but one tenth the heart. If Doug Gilmour in his prime was the captain of this team they would be planning the parade right now.

Who cares? They're losers, they lost. It's nothing to brag about. They had game 6 and 7 to finish LA and they choked. Then the following year nothing special and then Leafs sucked again. Sundin era had another 2 conference finals, which again, still nothing to brag about and then after that they sucked for a decade + till now.

 

[HofT]

LOL. I'd ask you to explain yourself but this is so ridiculous, and you also ignored my previous question so what's the point? You're only embarrassing yourself now.

I answered all your questions. If I missed one you can let me know.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Who cares? They're losers, they lost. It's nothing to brag about. They had game 6 and 7 to finish LA and they choked. Then the following year nothing special and then Leafs sucked again. Sundin era had another 2 conference finals, which again, still nothing to brag about and then after that they sucked for a decade + till now.

People care because they are fans? Not sure what you're going for here unless it is just that there are 31 losers every year or some pearl of wisdom like that.

 

[francis246]

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I mean playing with heart means you’re less of a loser I guess.

I get it, I’m not saying those teams didn’t put a better effort, but it’s sad that, that’s the fcking bar for our organization. Heart and effort and not results.

 

[sunstersun]

I mean playing with heart means you’re less of a loser I guess.

I get it, I’m not saying those teams didn’t put a better effort, but it’s sad that, that’s the fcking bar for our organization. Heart and effort and not results.

Not every team can win, but the minimum Leafs fans expect is a team that tries and cares.

We have neither. Love to win, don't think it's possible without fixing effort and caring.

 

[HofT]

People care because they are fans? Not sure what you're going for here unless it is just that there are 31 losers every year or some pearl of wisdom like that.

They literally did not win anything substantial. Nothing.

 

[francis246]

Not every team can win, but the minimum Leafs fans expect is a team that tries and cares.

We have neither.

Florida was just the better team man. It’s okay to admit that too. The way they activated the d on the forecheck, the smothered the leafs, and just flat out outplayed them badly.

 

[BraveCanadian]

They literally did not win anything substantial. Nothing.

And yet they are still the best Leafs team, by far, of the past several decades... so we don't have a lot to choose from now do we?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Hahaha what’s your definition of a loser then?

Oxford definition;

a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.

Or are we using urban dictionary for this situation?

Hahaha you think that's the only definition?

Merriam-Webster:
"a person who is incompetent or unable to succeed"

From Cambridge?
He's a good/bad loser (= he behaves well/badly when he is defeated).

From Collins:
If you refer to someone as a loser, you have a low opinion of them because you think they are always unsuccessful.

That's leaving aside urban dictionary and there's nothing wrong with using that either in this case. But anyone who follows pro sports should know that the Oxford definition is woefully inadequate.

He's gone, and frankly I don't think the franchise will be the better. Cap space is a lesser consolation prize, a trade was best and it didn't happen.

What a disappointment.

The stars are past their primes, the D is old as f*** so of course the franchise isn't likely to be better but that's the case with or without Marner going forward.