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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

He also didn't have much time when he came in, to be fair. The guy was trying to get his bearing, putting that in his plate was a bit much. It's why we kept Keefe too I suspect, he was getting grounded. The timing of Dubas leaving was awful for the franchise.

Definitely. But he doesn't bare no responsibility. For the record, I love a lot of the moves Tree has made. But hate some.

Domi Deal
Kampf Deal
Laughton overpay
Carlo is a #7 D, he's brutal.

Some moves he made were unreal though:
Tanev
Stolarz
McCabe resigning
Benoit resigning
OEL Deal
 
Mirtle said the only way this reverses is if Marner and Matthews either have a great round 3 even if Leafs win this series. Winnng game 6 and 7 won't do anything if it's the supporting cast that comes through.
We are at that point you hope the others win it for them because you aren't going to get anything from these 2.

Pacioretty has his work cut out for him if he’s going to save Matthews and Marner.
 
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Definitely. But he doesn't bare no responsibility. For the record, I love a lot of the moves Tree has made. But hate some.

Domi Deal
Kampf Deal
Laughton overpay
Carlo is a #7 D, he's brutal.

Some moves he made were unreal though:
Tanev
Stolarz
McCabe resigning
Benoit resigning
OEL Deal
I'm just acknowledging he came in at a very challenging time, with a ton of shit on his plate. I recall thinking that at the time. When he kept Keefe I got it, one less thing to worry about, bandaid, next. I'm not excusing him, but let's not act like he knew Marner or had real thoughts about how to proceed, it was a quick hire and boom, welcome to the hockey nexus. It's too bad, because maybe Dubas would have made that move, although I question the return lol.
 
The "flush it" comment by him is so uninspiring. This is not a game in the middle of November.
He also kept saying "reset". A reporter asked what is done to reset.

Marner said "go home and relax".

Then said "everyone resets in their own way"

Both Marner and Matthews just kept saying cliches. Like reset, put your best foot forward, look in the mirror

... all very unspiring.
 
What the 4 nations showed me is Matthews and Marner bring out the worst in each other when together. I’ll be consistent in my messaging. Mark my words, we are not winning shit with Auston as the captain or leader of this team. Nick Robertson has more second round goals than Matthews let that sink in.

We got the wrong one, we needed McDavid in 2015.

That being said, moving off Mitch is probably the right move, but I doubt it solves anything. Long term. Letting Marner walk is putting a bandaid on the bigger issue, which is our 13 mill guy can’t score a big goal and that’s what he’s paid to do.
It was a 4 game gimmick series where Marner found himself as the least played forward by game 3.

If Cooper was so impressed with Marner in game 1,2... he wouldnt have made him the forward with the least mins in game 3. Im fact the coaches admitted the changes in game 3 to the lineup were because they thought the team was too perimeter. So.... yea a major change was to drop Marner to the least played forward. By next year, some of the Canada forwards who played more than him in game 3 will be paid 1/2 what Marner wants! So it would seem Cooper seen exactly ehat we have seen over the past 9 years.

Sure Marner made a play 3v3 in OT in game 1, and couple plays in game 4... but him riding the pine by game 3 is more telling than his couple points in game 4. Also.. that lineup was the leagues best players... he doesnt have Mcdavid, Crosby, Mackinnon, Stone, Point, Marchand, to hide in the shadow of, or carry the play, or carry the leadership load.... anywhere he goes, for the money he wants, he is supposed to be THE GUY for all the above.
 
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So they weren't fed up with him enough to try and move him while they could, it's just something new that happened this season? Calling B.S.

They went after Rantanen because they were afraid that all the money they were prepared to throw at Mitch wasn't enough to convince him to come back next year and finally decided they'd better try to get something for him.
They didn't go after Rantanen - Carolina couldn't get him to sign an extension so they came to us looking for whatever they could get.
 
Mirtle this morning suggested that the reason the Leafs went to Marner with the Rantanen trade situation, was because they were already fed up with the relationship between him and the team.

Says the relationship, barring a comeback in this series and Marner having a huge round 3, is over.

Sounds like both parties have all but agreed to shake hands and go their own way.

I’ve been saying this, Marner is gone. It’s never felt like they were going to get a deal done
 
What's strange about that Mirtle quote, is if both parties are fed up where the leafs were trying to trade him 2 months ago, why would defeating Florida in round 2 save the relationship lol

lol obviously because the leafs weren’t trying to trade him. They were approached with an offer and did their due diligence. Brad didn’t go to Carolina and offer Marner based on reports.

Personally I think for Marner the relationship has been strained for years. Maybe the leafs just found out how strained it really was this year when he iced them out via contract negotiations
 
lol obviously because the leafs weren’t trying to trade him. They were approached with an offer and did their due diligence. Brad didn’t go to Carolina and offer Marner based on reports.

Personally I think for Marner the relationship has been strained for years. Maybe the leafs just found out how strained it really was this year when he iced them out via contract negotiations
Hmm due diligence or not, they would've moved him if he agreed by the sounds of it
 
The Dubas hate in here is wild.

I hope we can all agree Shanny is the biggest problem.
He built one the softest Leaf team ever if not the softest ever...after Dubas became GM, there was a period of about 3 years when the Leafs were physically intimidated game in and game out with no pushback...in a way, Dubas has some responsibility for the development of the young core at the time...he didn't protect them on the ice and allowed them to be bullied by other teams...Dubas was the worst thing to have happened for this team...Shanahan is also a big problem.
 
After last night's disaster Mitch is fully checked out.

The leadership group in general is under siege by the media/fans right now, they knew damn well their reputations couldn't afford another no-show like this but they just don't care. They have multi-million dollar lifestyles to retreat to afterward, they don't have to listen one second of noise if they don't want to.

I really hope Mitch has a Huberdeau-like falloff with his new team, f*** this kid anyway.
Wait until after the playoffs...as you said it before, a couple of months out, some folks will be posting here again telling everyone how amazing Marner is, rofl...
 
Mitch Marner, franchise player. All-time great Maple Leaf with a spot waiting for him on legends row.

Could you even add him to Legends Row after he's retired? Given his Leafs tenure and the palpable bad blood between him, the fans, and increasingly the franchise I can't see it. Even after some time has passed.

I suppose the Raptors forgave Vince so anything is possible. Though in my personal opinion I wouldn't have but that's just me.
 
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Mitch Marner, franchise player. All-time great Maple Leaf with a spot waiting for him on legends row.
As long as they put it about 25 feet away from the others and make the statue of him looking into the rafters with that dumb look on his face after his giveaway that ended up in the net, I’m fine with it.
 
lol obviously because the leafs weren’t trying to trade him. They were approached with an offer and did their due diligence. Brad didn’t go to Carolina and offer Marner based on reports.

Personally I think for Marner the relationship has been strained for years. Maybe the leafs just found out how strained it really was this year when he iced them out via contract negotiations
Actually it was da other way around Ferris came in, i hear around 15.5M for 8 years, and Tre just LOLed him .. it was Shanny that iced Mitch and told him i think you need to check out FA .. this is exactly what should have occurred with Dumb*ass too .. let them bring on their offer .. then Ferris would have been shown to be da BS artist he is
 
He built one the softest Leaf team ever if not the softest ever...after Dubas became GM, there was a period of about 3 years when the Leafs were physically intimidated game in and game out with no pushback...in a way, Dubas has some responsibility for the development of the young core at the time...he didn't protect them on the ice and allowed them to be bullied by other teams...Dubas was the worst thing to have happened for this team...Shanahan is also a big problem.
Agree here. Dubas penchant for small players was insanely concerning for a sport that requires physicality. How many chances did dubas give to denis malign yet traded away marchment without blinking an eye. It was after 3 years of skill skill skill he realized the error of his ways and try to crazy glue and duct tape aging physical players to the core 4. I hate dubas and I hate shanahan. They are both morons
 
Agree here. Dubas penchant for small players was insanely concerning for a sport that requires physicality. How many chances did dubas give to denis malign yet traded away marchment without blinking an eye. It was after 3 years of skill skill skill he realized the error of his ways and try to crazy glue and duct tape aging physical players to the core 4. I hate dubas and I hate shanahan. They are both morons
Shanahan is a shocker...the guy was tough as nails as a player, and played on a very talented, but tough Detroit team...why the heck did he allowed Dubas to build such a buttery soft team? Probably a riddle for the Sphinx.
 
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