Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Tak7]

Predicting a great game for Marner tonight - 2 goals, 5 shots on goal, 4 hits and 1 assist

In 67 career playoff games, how many times has he scored 2 goals...?

 

[notDatsyuk]

comeon, I know we all have our favourites, and Nylander is mine too, but you don't need to do this. There's a few of you Nylander fans who come across like you border line worship the guy and won't accept any criticism. Not saying you're an example of that but you're better than that. You know damn well at that time, for that cap, for that precedent, he was asking for more than he was worth, even if very quickly became a bargain because of his continued elevated play, the cap rising, and the precedent changing. We don't need to dig up old history for something we both know is true. He was asking for Pastrnak money while having lower production than him very clearly and sat out all year because of 900k. Nylander won't pay your bills man, it's okay to criticize his behaviour too sometimes.

P.s. take it for what it's worth but according to AI, sportsnet reported Michael Nylander was involved as part of Willy's representation and was a "key factor in the prolonged negotiations." Ultimately, I do also realize for both Mitch and Willy we don't really know what their involvement was/is because we are not told all the details but there was plenty of discussion about Michael Nylander on here as well when it came to Willy's contract holdout.

Interesting rant about my trying to offer a little perspective.

He didn't sit out all year, and 8 years ago was the only time we've really heard from Michael, except for a few posters regularly claiming back then that Willy would take short term deals and leave as soon as possible, a la his dad.

 

[ACC1224]

You don't have examples? Steve Sullivan, Hyman, Sundin. You could have an entire regime change if we lose tonight. It's now or never for these guys. Biggest game yet. Way bigger than TB. Lose tonight, it's over.

None of those players/situation is even remotely comparable.

 

[notDatsyuk]

unfortunately hockey isn't always about should. The Kings won the cup after barely making it in one year. The blues who squeaked in nearly eliminated the presidents trophy winning Winnipeg Jets. If the Kings team had a Marner caliber player replacing the cap of some of the other guys they had they probably make the playoffs more easily and probably get eliminated as well

That brings up the question of which you would prefer: making the playoffs easily and then being eliminated easily, or working harder to make the playoffs and doing better in them?

 

[All Mod Cons]

In 67 career playoff games, how many times has he scored 2 goals...?

Game 68 is always the best one.

 

[Gary Nylund]

In 67 career playoff games, how many times has he scored 2 goals...?

After he does it tonight, you won't even remember all those other times.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

After he does it tonight, you won't even remember all those other times.

And that, my friends... is the dream!

 

[Mess]

Predicting a great game for Marner tonight - 2 goals, 5 shots on goal, 4 hits and 1 assist

Are you aware throughout Marner's entire 9 year playoff career in series games #5 & #6 and #7 in all series combined Marner has recorded 20 games 0 goals 6 assists 6 points,

As series get longer and series deciding/changing games become more impactful, Marner becomes least effective and productive to the point of disappearing off the Boxscore.

For the record Marner has scored 13 playoff goals in his entire career, ranking him #101 overall (outside the top 100 players) during his 9 playoff years and 11 playoff series time span.

Mitch Marner has never scored more than 2 goals in any playoff series he has been in to date.

Marner recorded Zero shots on net in Florida and only 1 in game #2 in TO for 1 shot in his last 3 games combined. In fact Marner has a mere 13 shots on net this year counting both the Ottawa and Florida series combined.

Not even the great philosopher Nostradamus could foresee this coming

PS.. I'm going to go out and buy a Lotto 649 ticket for today just in case you're on to something.

 

[notDatsyuk]

In 67 career playoff games, how many times has he scored 2 goals...?

Mitch has done it twice.
Matty has done it three times.
JT has done it three times as a Leaf, including a hat trick.
Willy has done it four times.

The only other recent Leaf to do it more than once was Marleau.

 

[Suntouchable13]

If both Matthews/Marner do not produce tonight and Leafs lose, they deserve criticism. It's not "toxic".

 

[francis246]

How do you hand him more money than Rantanen if he doesn't step up here in the next couple of games? If we lose this series and Marner doesn't do much, how can you hand him 13-14 million per season? He has no accountability. He thinks he is playing "fine". You never hear him "I need to be better" his shit don't stick according to him.

Again it’s not Marner’s fault Rantanen decided to take less than Market value. Rantanen would have been paid more than 12 on the open market, anyone denying that is just being delusional. Rantanen found a spot he likes, got some front loaded bonuses and copped because he wasn’t looking to be on his fourth team in less than 6 months. So he chose security.

You could argue that maybe Marner should also consider factors and take 12 as well or less than market value for Toronto. But just because Rantanen chose to, doesn’t mean Marner has to or Toronto is even pushing him to do so. I think Toronto is more than comfortable paying Marner more than Rantanen.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Again it’s not Marner’s fault Rantanen decided to take less than Market value. Rantanen would have been paid more than 12 on the open market, anyone denying that is just being delusional. Rantanen found a spot he likes, got some front loaded bonuses and copped because he wasn’t looking to be on his fourth team in less than 6 months. So he chose security.

You could argue that maybe Marner should also consider factors and take 12 as well or less than market value for Toronto. But just because Rantanen chose to, doesn’t mean Marner has to or Toronto is even pushing him to do so. I think Toronto is more than comfortable paying Marner more than Rantanen.

Marner needs to go play on any other team other than Toronto

 

[Mess]

In 67 career playoff games, how many times has he scored 2 goals...?

It has happened .. Game #1 April 11th 2019.

However Marner next goal thereafter would come May 2nd, 2022

Marner would go an remarkable 18 playoff games over 3 playoff seasons between these 2 dates above goalless including 0 goals in the last 6 games against Boston 2019 & 0 goals in 5 games against CBJ in 2020 & 0 goals in 7 games against Montreal 2021.

Based on history repeating itself IF Marner scores 2 goals tonight we might no see him again until 2028.

What these results do show is that IF Toronto was series about winning the Stanley Cup than Marner would have been long gone from Toronto by this time.

 

[IPS]

Again it’s not Marner’s fault Rantanen decided to take less than Market value. Rantanen would have been paid more than 12 on the open market, anyone denying that is just being delusional. Rantanen found a spot he likes, got some front loaded bonuses and copped because he wasn’t looking to be on his fourth team in less than 6 months. So he chose security.

You could argue that maybe Marner should also consider factors and take 12 as well or less than market value for Toronto. But just because Rantanen chose to, doesn’t mean Marner has to or Toronto is even pushing him to do so. I think Toronto is more than comfortable paying Marner more than Rantanen.

Seems like everybody's taking below market value according to you!

 

[francis246]

Seems like everybody's taking below market value according to you!

They are, Rantanen turned down a bigger contract from the hurricanes, I provided the link in the last Marner thread. Reported by a few sources, Frank Seravelli being one of them.

And do you honestly believe that NO team would offer either Marner or Rantanen over 12 million as a UFA? That’s what dictates market value, incase you didn’t know. What they would get on the open market

 

[Suntouchable13]

They are, Rantanen turned down a bigger contract from the hurricanes, I provided the link in the last Marner thread. Reported by a few sources, Frank Seravelli being one of them.

And do you honestly believe that NO team would offer either Marner or Rantanen over 12 million as a UFA? That’s what dictates market value, incase you didn’t know. What they would get on the open market

Why would the Leafs offer Marner more than 12 million dollars? For what? People always wanna excuse him for not really showing up when it matters most. I don't understand why nobody can criticize him, and why is that considered "toxic"? My fandom will be tested if the Leafs re-sign him for more money if he doesn't show up here and lead the Leafs to the 3rd round. Sick of this franchise bending over for these guys and them not delivering.

 

[francis246]

Why would the Leafs offer Marner more than 12 million dollars? For what? People always wanna excuse him for not really showing up when it matters most. I don't understand why nobody can criticize him, and why is that considered "toxic"? My fandom will be tested if the Leafs re-sign him for more money if he doesn't show up here and lead the Leafs to the 3rd round.

Where did I say anything about criticizing him is toxic? Where is that coming from? Aren’t we talking about his contract?

And I’m not a part of management. Maybe they value Marner more than the fans do? Again Management groups usually have their own line of thinking and it rarely aligns with fans line of thinking

 

[Suntouchable13]

Where did I say anything about criticizing him is toxic? Where is that coming from? Aren’t we talking about his contract?

And I’m not a part of management. Maybe they value Marner more than the fans do? Again Management groups usually have their own line of thinking and it rarely aligns with fans line of thinking

Some people say "fan toxicity will drive him out of town". If he doesn't show up and produce in the next 2 or 3 games, hell yea i will drive him out of town. Enough. Anyway, sorry, I just really want to see this team win the cup. I care deeply. That's why I can get emotional at times. Just produce and deliver us a cup, or at least the 3rd round.

 

[ToneDog]

I used to be sign Marner at all costs. I’ve kind of accepted we’ll be okay if we don’t. (Im not gonna go full out and say we’ll be better because I truly don’t believe that, this division is too good and losing a 99-100 point guy is going to be tough to replace) I watched London vs Oshawa yesterday and earlier in the week. Let me tell yall something. Marner’s replacement is Easton Cowan.

He might not get 90 points every year but he’s really talented. Sees the ice extremely well like Marner and can make the same plays, but he forechecks hard, he’s first on pucks all the damn time. My only saving grace for letting Marner walk is I think we have a more physical version of Marner who will be available to the team this coming year.

I also don’t want the leafs to spend all the savings this summer. Leave some cap space to be able to pull off a trade if need be and look at next years UFA crop when we have another set of players expiring.

I’d grab a 3C and a top 6 winger, preferably Boeser

Welcome to the dark side. I'm guessing Boeser signs with the Wild. Tre will sign Bennett, Tanev and maybe Mangiapane.

 

[Tak7]

Some people say "fan toxicity will drive him out of town". If he doesn't show up and produce in the next 2 or 3 games, hell yea i will drive him out of town. Enough. Anyway, sorry, I just really want to see this team win the cup. I care deeply. That's why I can get emotional at times. Just produce and deliver us a cup, or at least the 3rd round.

I'm likely missing some context from the conversation you're having, but you should never apologize for having the passion - as long as it's channeled in the right way, we all want the same thing.

The sad thing is the bar is so incredibly low here; we aren't even asking for a cup. We are asking just to play well and give us a decent post-season run that we can be hopeful about.

Let us dare to dream.

 

[Tak7]

Welcome to the dark side. I'm guessing Boeser signs with the Wild. Tre will sign Bennett, Tanev and maybe Mangiapane.

Bennett resigns in Florida is my bet.

 

[ToneDog]

Bennett resigns in Florida is my bet.

Most likely unless he wants to come home. Ehlers would be good but he'll get more than I want to pay him.

 

[Tak7]

Most likely unless he wants to come home. Ehlers would be good but he'll get more than I want to pay him.

Ehlers is another overpay candidate.

Nylander and Ehlers also have a pretty comparable style of play - after dealing with a core 4 that have all largely been the same style of player for so long, I'd be pretty frustrated with them letting Marner go only to bring in another floaty high skilled winger who doesn't really have that jam or physicality.

 

[francis246]

Some people say "fan toxicity will drive him out of town". If he doesn't show up and produce in the next 2 or 3 games, hell yea i will drive him out of town. Enough. Anyway, sorry, I just really want to see this team win the cup. I care deeply. That's why I can get emotional at times. Just produce and deliver us a cup, or at least the 3rd round.

Yeah I’m not buying into that either

Welcome to the dark side. I'm guessing Boeser signs with the Wild. Tre will sign Bennett, Tanev and maybe Mangiapane.

I don’t see it as sides, I’m not joining anything haha. I’m just trying to be realistic about what may be best for the team and be open to the fact that a team without Marner isn’t going to be all doom and gloom.

Also I wanna see if they get it done in the next 6 days. If they win this series we probably keep things the same if Marner wants to stay.

I think I’m more open to it but I’m not also going to go bashing Marner. I think he’s been a good soldier for the leafs and has done the best he could, might not be the right fit, deep down I also feel like he’s the wrong guy to let go but he’s up and the only change we can make. I still hold the believe that he’s been unfairly made the scapegoat when lots of things have gone wrong.

You think Bennett hits UFA? Also doesn’t Bennett have a bit of a strained relationship with Brad?

Brad couldn’t get rid of him fast enough in Calgary, why would he want to sign and play for him now?

 

[IPS]

Most likely unless he wants to come home. Ehlers would be good but he'll get more than I want to pay him.

I certainly wouldn't count on Ehlers as any Marner replacement if Marner left. The price would be very undesirable and it's a significant downgrade (playoffs and all)