Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[thewave]

But..who will hug Carlton after wins?

Me. I will even dry hump his leg and pull his big fury ears every home game for the free tickets.

Marner can go cry into the ocean in Carolina for 11m a year along with his bruised egomaniac brain

 

[ruaware41]

Except this is by all reports not true.
Way back last June when “everything was on the table” everyone (seravalli, CJ, Friedman, mirtle) were writing articles and talking about the need for a change and Marner may be the one. They were talking about how he wasn’t talking like he wanted to stay. Rumours were rampant leading up to the draft.

leading up the draft marners camp openly said they would absolutely not entertain any trade offers or requests. We knew that at the draft. The leafs were told don’t bother.

Then we “thought” they were working on an extension. Subsequent reporting has indicated
1.) the leafs have tried to engage numerous times about numbers and whether or not he wants to even stay at all with zero response

2.) the leafs presented his camp with multiple possibilities about a trade if he doesn’t want to stay. With no response.

this was not an 11th hr request. It was a last ditch effort to try to future plan. Rantanen would have come and extended Marner said no. Still won’t talk about an extension.

So for an entire year he has refused to be traded. Refused to say he wants to Stay. Refused to discuss an extension. Blocked a trade and still refused.

He may sign for a great deal. But it’s bizzare. If you want to stay, stay. If you want to leave leave.

Dont just hold a team hostage.

remember when some (a lot) of us gave Islander fans shit and mocked them because they rightfully, very rightfully, were upset at Tavares for how he left? Looks like we might earn some karma if Marner doesn't stay.

 

[Legion34]

remember when some (a lot) of us gave Islander fans shit and mocked them because they rightfully, very rightfully, were upset at Tavares for how he left? Looks like we might earn some karma if Marner doesn't stay.

Did Tavares block trades and refuse to negotiate?

Players leave all the time. Many of them have at least some desire to stay.

If the islanders approached JT multiple times, he refused to negotiate or waive. Then that’s the same. I don’t think that’s what happened.

 

[Racer88]

I think I just read that Marner has 1 shot on net in his last 3 playoff games……could this be true

 

[ACC1224]

Did Tavares block trades and refuse to negotiate?

Players leave all the time. Many of them have at least some desire to stay.

If the islanders approached JT multiple times, he refused to negotiate or waive. Then that’s the same. I don’t think that’s what happened.

They could have traded Tavares but didn’t because he said he was staying in NY. Not really the same situation as here.

 

[Legion34]

They could have traded Tavares but didn’t because he said he was staying in NY. Not really the same situation as here.

Then they were dumb. They could have traded him. They chose not to.

If they were exchanging numbers and/or they felt that the package they got was less than an own rental. They made the choice.

Marner has to this moment by all accounts refused to talk at all and refused to be traded or consider any trades.

That is entirely different.

 

[Gary Nylund]

remember when some (a lot) of us gave Islander fans shit and mocked them because they rightfully, very rightfully, were upset at Tavares for how he left? Looks like we might earn some karma if Marner doesn't stay.

Hopefully that karma means a better balanced team and playoff success.

 

[ACC1224]

Then they were dumb. They could have traded him. They chose not to.

If they were exchanging numbers and/or they felt that the package they got was less than an own rental. They made the choice.

Marner has to this moment by all accounts refused to talk at all and refused to be traded or consider any trades.

That is entirely different.

Exactly it’s different, certainly not something to be upset about.

 

[Racer88]

Hopefully that karma means a better balanced team and playoff success.

Yes, yes and more yes

 

[Racer88]

Way too early to be talking about how much he should get. If he doesn’t help them in a big way to win this series then they should make him a lower offer, maybe 9 mill or let him walk.
If they lose this series we absolutely cannot walk this same core 5 back for another number of years. It almost been a decade with this failure and something has to change

 

[francis246]

I think I just read that Marner has 1 shot on net in his last 3 playoff games……could this be true

It’s true but not really true. He had a shot off the post that was a goal and another that was deflected I believe, which don’t count as shot for him. Just assists.

 

[Racer88]

It’s true but not really true. He had a shot off the post that was a goal and another that was deflected I believe, which don’t count as shot for him. Just assists.

I thought 1 was kinda low

 

[francis246]

Did Tavares block trades and refuse to negotiate?

Players leave all the time. Many of them have at least some desire to stay.

If the islanders approached JT multiple times, he refused to negotiate or waive. Then that’s the same. I don’t think that’s what happened.

Not the same, Tavares lied to the org and told him he’s staying! So they didn’t explore trading him.

Marner hasn’t done anything like that.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

 

[Legion34]

Not the same, Tavares lied to the org and told him he’s staying! So they didn’t explore trading him.

Marner hasn’t done anything like that.

You don’t know that he told them he was staying. For sure. You know how you would know. If signed a contract. Thats how you tell a team you are staying. All reports from everyone was that he was considering it.

The only thing we know is he said he wanted to stay to try to make the playoffs. That’s quote.

If you want to stay. You sign if the team meets your number. If the team doesn’t want to meet your number and plays with fire (Toronto or otherwise) someone blinks.

Not the same. Tavares was like the other UFAs who had decisions to make when the deal didn’t get done.

Marner is refusing to negotiate and refusing to be traded. Completely different and pretty unprecedented

 

[francis246]

You don’t know that he told them he was staying. For sure. You know how you would know. If signed a contract. Thats how you tell a team you are staying. All reports from everyone was that he was considering it.

The only thing we know is he said he wanted to stay to try to make the playoffs. That’s quote.

If you want to stay. You sign if the team meets your number. If the team doesn’t want to meet your number and plays with fire (Toronto or otherwise) someone blinks.

Not the same. Tavares was like the other UFAs who had decisions to make when the deal didn’t get done.

Marner is refusing to negotiate and refusing to be traded. Completely different and pretty unprecedented

Tavares literally has quotes in the media saying that he is not leaving.

It’s not the same. Marner has never said such a thing. That’s why the fans were so pissed off at Tavares. He would be asked by the media and he would constantly say I’m not leaving, I want to stay in New York. That’s the key difference in the situations.

 

[hotpaws]

You don’t know that he told them he was staying. For sure. You know how you would know. If signed a contract. Thats how you tell a team you are staying. All reports from everyone was that he was considering it.

The only thing we know is he said he wanted to stay to try to make the playoffs. That’s quote.

If you want to stay. You sign if the team meets your number. If the team doesn’t want to meet your number and plays with fire (Toronto or otherwise) someone blinks.

Not the same. Tavares was like the other UFAs who had decisions to make when the deal didn’t get done.

Marner is refusing to negotiate and refusing to be traded. Completely different and pretty unprecedented

Tavares refused to negotiate but kept going on in the media how he was a loyal guy and didn't want the team to trade him . basically Johnny boy strung them along waiting to see if the Leafs would grossly overpay him .

 

[Legion34]

Tavares refused to negotiate but kept going on in the media how he was a loyal guy and didn't want the team to trade him . basically Johnny boy strung them along waiting to see if the Leafs would grossly overpay him

Tavares took less to come here than both The isles and SJ offered him

You have no evidence he refused to negotiate

We have evidence he ultimately signed with the leafs.

The isles who changed GMs didn’t get a deal done. Thats on them.

He didn’t refuse trades or refuse to negotiate for an entire yea e

 

[Legion34]

Tavares literally has quotes in the media saying that he is not leaving.

It’s not the same. Marner has never said such a thing. That’s why the fans were so pissed off at Tavares. He would be asked by the media and he would constantly say I’m not leaving, I want to stay in New York. That’s the key difference in the situations.

He didn’t sign. The media is irrelevant. Also there are no quotes saying he is 100% signing there. Because then the follow up is.
Why haven’t you signed. I love it here. I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. Things will get done when they get done.

Marner said those.

You will not find a quote where he says I am 100% signing a contract here

Two. The isles switched coach and GM in June. They got Lou. So any negotiations were completely different.

3.) If jt said I don’t want to leave. Then refused to sign. They needed an answer. John. Sign or we trade you.

That’s on them.

 

[ruaware41]

Did Tavares block trades and refuse to negotiate?

Players leave all the time. Many of them have at least some desire to stay.

If the islanders approached JT multiple times, he refused to negotiate or waive. Then that’s the same. I don’t think that’s what happened.

He made it appear that he had no intention of leaving and his heart was set on staying in New York, even up to the last minute when they reached out near the deadline. He also didn't want to sign an extension the whole year. Then he decided to go to Toronto. That's why Islander fans were mad at him. The Marner camp has at least been more honest and blunt if they don't sign with Toronto by refusing to even talk about contracts and refusing any trades. We can't have an okay for me not for thee standard

 

[keonsbitterness]

Exactly it’s different, certainly not something to be upset about.

Losing him for nothing because he refused to negotiate or waive for over a year would be upsetting. I don't even think the Leafs could trade his rights for picks in June because of his NMC.

 

[francis246]

He didn’t sign. The media is irrelevant. Also there are no quotes saying he is 100% signing there. Because then the follow up is.
Why haven’t you signed. I love it here. I can’t imagine playing anywhere else. Things will get done when they get done.

Marner said those.

Two. The isles switched coach and GM in June. They got Lou. So any negotiations were completely different.

3.) If jt said I don’t want to leave. Then refused to sign. They needed an answer. John. Sign or we trade you.

That’s on them.

Either way, what’s your point? The vitriol will not come close to Tavares level. The Islanders fanbase is unified in hating Tavares’ guts. The leafs fanbase is more divided on Marner.

You have one group who don’t hate him but don’t love him and will welcome a change because it’s been 9 years of the same things.

You have another group that loves Marner and will be more mad at management for letting him walk for not resigning him.

You have another group who may not like Marner but will blame management for not trading him in 2021 or 2023 when we had the chance

You have one last group who does not like Marner and think he’s the root cause of us failing and will blame him for blocking Rantanen

Most leaf fans I know are in group 1 or 3. There will not be a unanimous hate for him like Tavares and isles fans If Marner leaves.

 

[francis246]

Losing him for nothing because he refused to negotiate or waive for over a year would be upsetting. I don't even think the Leafs could trade his rights for picks in June because of his NMC.

That’s not Marner’s fault though, that’s the organizations. From 2015-2023 they had every opportunity to move off the player. They waited till his NMC kicked in before they decided okay we want to move him.

That’s lunacy and on Shanahan.

 

[hotpaws]

Tavares took less to come here than both The isles and SJ offered him

You have no evidence he refused to negotiate

We have evidence he ultimately signed with the leafs.

The isles who changed GMs didn’t get a deal done. Thats on them.

He didn’t refuse trades or refuse to negotiate for an entire yea e

Snow did an interview a yr or two ago , can't remember exactly saying they would have gone up to 10 per yr max when he was there , Lou doesn't say shit so all we have to go on is what Snow said they were prepared to offer which will turn out to be less than what JT will get from the Leafs combined with his salary for next yr.

I haven't heard anyone from SJ say what they offered , basically that rumor came from one media person saying he thinks SJ offered more but can't confirm and then everyone ran with it

JT literally refused to negotiate for the entire year , pretty much everyone knows that but you ! then he kept saying how he's a loyal guy in the media and for the team not to trade him

and at the end of the day both can do whatever they like

 

[ruaware41]

Hopefully that karma means a better balanced team and playoff success.

Well hopefully we can squeak into the playoffs without him even if we become a team more built for the playoffs without him. Like him or not he's been an instrumental part of the Leafs regular season success