Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[arso40]

Nice sentence structure, very compelling. Stick to laugh emojis someone else created.

Ty my friend doesn’t change the facts my point is the same

 

[arso40]

MARNERS BEEN PLAYING LIKE GARBAGE wanna pay increase play like it stop crying and Start moving your feet and playing to your potential for once In the playoffs still waiting for that signature game Hes been our 5 best player this playoffs not a good thing

 

[KAWAIlllI]

It's true, the frothers have never made much sense but it's gone to another level lately.

I think you missed the point there, CAPS LOCK

 

[Tak7]

Yeah, it's a bit of a recurring trend, isn't it? Other team finds another gear, overtakes us in the passing lane, and we can't match their intensity in the big moments. You'd just hope that at some point a switch would flip in their heads and you'd see some of that piss and vinegar that fuels chowderheads like Marchand.

My biggest fear heading into this series, was that it would look the way it did in game 4 - just pushed around and bullied and forechecked to death, and the usual suspects looking completely uncomfortable in that grindy, physical game.

You can't win this time of year with that lack of appetite to get involved. They looked scared.

 

[Mess]

Marner has a long-time reputation now of checking out in a playoff series in critical games #5-7, providing very little offense in series deciding games.

Marner's career stats of 20 games 0 goals 6 assists 6 points in those games.

These might be the biggest upcoming games for Marner in terms of his Leafs future.

Which Marner will we see as Leafs attempt to advance to round #3?

 

[Sundinisagod]

I've thought all along a 8x$12.5 deal would be cleanest and easiest to get done for both sides.

I don't think Marner would agree to this as it would be considered a payout in terms of cap percentage and I think it would fall below Nylander's cap percentage too. Perhaps he would do a very short term deal at that number then cash in on the rising cap, like Matthews will.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’ve been saying it for a while. Put JT with Willy and Marner,

Give Matthews Domi and Knies, put Patches back with McMann.

You then have three scoring lines. There was one time I think last season they tried JT-Willy and Marner together for a shift or two and they played really well. I’d like to see it again.

We saw the one shift they had JT with Marner and Knies not only did they have a ton of Possesion, but the cycle game was solid and Knies almost scored at the end of a cycle when the pass came through from down low. Matthews and Marner’s game don’t really compliment each other any more. Matthews wants to score off the rush, Marner likes possession and passing, JT likes to cycle, he and Marner’s game are way more complimentary

It's not a problem switching Willy to his off wing, but I don’t see how putting the player with the most assists with the two best goal scorers is "making three scoring lines".

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think Marner would agree to this as it would be considered a payout in terms of cap percentage and I think it would fall below Nylander's cap percentage too. Perhaps he would do a very short term deal at that number then cash in on the rising cap, like Matthews will.

What do you mean by 'payout' ?

I think most assume 8 years but it may be beneficial to both sides to do a shorter term. Negotiations should be interesting anyway.

 

[Sundinisagod]

What do you mean by 'payout' ?

I think most assume 8 years but it may be beneficial to both sides to do a shorter term. Negotiations should be interesting anyway.

I meant pay cut. Shouldn't have spelled it as one word as autocorrect changed it to payout.

When discussing Marner's next deal, if with Toronto, I think we need to use his and Nylander's current cap % as baselines. With a heavily rising cap there is no chance he's taking a smaller % on a long term deal. Might as well use 13m as an absolute bare minimum starting point as he will want at least some sort of raise. Personally I'm guessing it will be 13 x 3. Agree with you about a short term deal being better for both sides.

 

[ACC1224]

I meant pay cut. Shouldn't have spelled it as one word as autocorrect changed it to payout.

When discussing Marner's next deal, if with Toronto, I think we need to use his and Nylander's current cap % as baselines. With a heavily rising cap there is no chance he's taking a smaller % on a long term deal. Might as well use 13m as an absolute bare minimum starting point as he will want at least some sort of raise. Personally I'm guessing it will be 13 x 3. Agree with you about a short term deal being better for both sides.

Got it, now that I read it again 'paycut' should have been obvious
I don't think either side would think he should be taking a paycut,13 as a start seems reasonable.

Looking forward to this all being put to bed. I really think Marner made a mistake in how he handled this whole thing but that will be soon forgotten once a new deal is signed.

 

[arso40]

Got it, now that I read it again 'paycut' should have been obvious
I don't think either side would think he should be taking a paycut,13 as a start seems reasonable.

Looking forward to this all being put to bed. I really think Marner made a mistake in how he handled this whole thing but that will be soon forgotten once a new deal is signed.

LOL of course it does cause the player is clearly more important than the team

Marner has a long-time reputation now of checking out in a playoff series in critical games #5-7, providing very little offense in series deciding games.

Marner's career stats of 20 games 0 goals 6 assists 6 points in those games.

These might be the biggest upcoming games for Marner in terms of his Leafs future.

Which Marner will we see as Leafs attempt to advance to round #3?

This is why 13 mill or even a resign at any number makes zero sense unless he can change this narrative anyone who wants to pay millions of dollars for a player like this is out to lunch I would think we’re talkin about jarnkrok not the superstar Mitch LOL

 

[colchar]

MARKERS BEEN PLAYING LIKE GARBAGE wanna pay increase play like it stop crying and Start moving your feet and playing to your potential for once In the playoffs still waiting for that signature game Hes been our 5 best player this playoffs not a good thing

Who dafuq is Markers?

 

[arso40]

Who dafuq is Markers?

Loooooool f*** eh

 

[colchar]

Marner has a long-time reputation now of checking out in a playoff series in critical games #5-7, providing very little offense in series deciding games.

Marner's career stats of 20 games 0 goals 6 assists 6 points in those games.

Every GM negotiating a contract with him this summer (assuming Tre isn't the only one) should lead the negotiations with that stat and put Bitchy Mitchy in his place.

Which Marner will we see as Leafs attempt to advance to round #3?

We all know the answer to that one.

 

[arso40]

Every GM negotiating a contract with him this summer (assuming Tre isn't the only one) should lead the negotiations with that stat and put Bitchy Mitchy in his place.



We all know the answer to that one.

Hope the greed bites him in the ass and puts him in the gym…….cant just rely on just smarts and skill

 

[al secord]

Loooooool f*** eh

it's 5 o'clock somewhere...

 

[TheShape]

Marner has a long-time reputation now of checking out in a playoff series in critical games #5-7, providing very little offense in series deciding games.

Marner's career stats of 20 games 0 goals 6 assists 6 points in those games.

These might be the biggest upcoming games for Marner in terms of his Leafs future.

Which Marner will we see as Leafs attempt to advance to round #3?

Even if Marner goes ballistic from a production standpoint in those games, it's still not enough evidence for me to flip the script. I'd consider it more of a one off than the norm, given his history. I wouldn't be sold on committing 8 more years.

 

[Antropovsky]

Toronto coach Craig Berube was sanguine about what the team has been getting from Matthews, especially considering that he might be playing through an injury, but he was less so about Marner.

Sometimes your top guys, they're looking to get too good of a chance sometimes instead of just putting the puck on net," he said Monday. "I think there's times where we could put more pucks on net at angles, bad angles, just firing it in there with people going to the net. You never know, it goes off somebody, rebounds or anything like that.

"I think Mitch could just be a little bit more direct in that area. He has the puck a lot, we know that, and he's got to look to put more pucks to the net. I get what he's trying to do, he wants to upgrade his chance, upgrade the chance. He's a passer first, we know that, but we need him to shoot pucks too. So yeah, I agree with you on that. Two games without a shot, he's got to shoot the puck."

To add to my post above....Berube isnt being as protective as Keefe. First playoffs and hes already called Marner out as having warts to his play.

Good.

But I bet Marner is pissed. Berube dipped his toe on the social media ant pile. Berube def just put some pressure on Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

Even if Marner goes ballistic from a production standpoint in those games, it's still not enough evidence for me to flip the script. I'd consider it more of a one off than the norm, given his history. I wouldn't be sold on committing 8 more years.

When it comes to re-signing his 100+ point season(18 more than the next closest) plus being leaned on in all situations will be given the most weight in the negotiations.

 

[TheShape]

When it comes to re-signing his 100+ point season(18 more than the next closest) plus being leaned on in all situations will be given the most weight in the negotiations.

Nah. Never worth 13-14m.

 

[ACC1224]

Nah. Never worth 13-14m.

Not sure, depends on the cap percentage.
He's no doubt closer to Matthews than Nylander on the pecking order, look forward to having this resolved and having our answer.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

When it comes to re-signing his 100+ point season(18 more than the next closest) plus being leaned on in all situations will be given the most weight in the negotiations.

For a franchise that hasn’t been close to winning the Cup since the 60s, I believe you. Fans seems content on not winning either, so it’s a great match

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Not sure, depends on the cap percentage.
He's no doubt closer to Matthews than Nylander on the pecking order, look forward to having this resolved and having our answer.

Again, for a team and fan base not interested in winning games in the playoffs, that seems about right

 

[Mess]

Nah. Never worth 13-14m.

After Treliving attempted to acquire Mikko Rantanen for Marner, and now that Rantanen has re-signed for 8 years at $12 mil AAV and off the market.

That not only closes the door of Treliving options of letting Marner walk and using that $$ and cap to sign Rantanen instead after a failed trade attempt, but also should set the market for Marner's value based on that contract and then comparison to both playoff & regular season performance of both players.

Unless Marner and Leafs flame-out in this series, its likely gets an offer from the Leafs to re-sign. However I hope BT holds the line and re-signs him only based on a fair market contract again using the most recent Rantanen deal as the guideline.

Any Leaf fan that believes Marner is worth more than Rantanen, is a Marner fan first and Leaf fan second, and not interested in what is best for the Leafs first and foremost in a Salary Cap World.

That would also set a Leafs internal Salary scale as : 1). Matthews @ $13.25 mil & 2). Marner @ $12 mil and #3). Nylander @ $11.5 mil.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Not sure, depends on the cap percentage.
He's no doubt closer to Matthews than Nylander on the pecking order, look forward to having this resolved and having our answer.

Rantanen just signed for 12 million and you want to give Marner 13+? Why?

Forget the cap structure of this team, it’s time we start handing out contracts that make sense and not overpay for a guy that can’t hold his comparable’s jock strap in the playoffs.