Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849
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Lol you weren't talking specifically about Marner were you?
Let me quote all the players you listed... Domi, Patches, Laughton, OEL, Benoit.
Then coincidentally forget to include Knies? Why because it would mean giving someone else credit on the gwgs you credited only to Marner?
thusk
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to talk about secondary scoring who came from 3rd/4th line and 2nd PP... and Knies didn't play really in bottom 6 line or 2nd pp wave...
The only exception was the benoit goal who would probably be 18 th in a list of who do you think gonna score GWG just in front of goalie...
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Why is it that defensive qualities adds to Matthews and not Marner? Does Marner not play well defensively? Does he not PK or did he not break up multiple plays in the third against Panthers? Marner detractors don't care about Marners former Selke nomination. Only citing that he doesn't show up in the playoffs. Now he has more points than Matthews (10 points in 8 games) not to mention that he has scored more goals for the Leafs in the second round than Matthews has in his career. You gave one player a blank cheque and heap on praises but can't even acknowledge the impact of his line mate that has more career playoff points and more goals in the second round. Make it make sense
You make it make sense their defensive impact is no where close to the same are you okay ? Do you watch the games Matthews plays the harder position and still plays the better defence he breaks the plays up he lifts sticcs pushes guys off the pucc and makes the outlet passes to send the play the other way 8/10 LOL
Tak7
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Anyone see the way Marner let's puck the ride up the blade of the stick before he heels it towards net?
I'm not entirely sure that fluttering circus shot was an accident, tbh.
I'm not entirely sure that fluttering circus shot was an accident, tbh.
Your post here is fundamentally flawed. Based on a premise that isn’t true. Matthews and Marner both benefit in discussion similarly with regards to their Selke calibre defensive qualities. The mistake you’re making is listening to people defending Matthews, comparing that to opinions expressed by detractors of Marner and assuming they are the same people. Matthews has plenty of detractors who make similar comments to what Marner receives.
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Feel free to quote the part where I said their defensive impact was more or less. I'll wait. In the meantime you can think about the point of my post which was why does good defense matter when one player plays it and not the other? The detractors disregard Marner's pk prowess and his Selke nomination as a winger (which is harder to attain). All the detractors seem to care about is production in the playoffs which Marner is producing over a point per game in the playoffs this year and out produced Matthews in their playloff careers. Marner also has more goals in the second round than Matthews ever has in that round. One gets a blank cheque and the other gets trashed and not wanted on the team.
I watched from another angle this morning. It wasn’t an accident and people are saying he was scared to get hit, the defender wasn’t even attempting to hit him, rather just get in the lane and block the shot.
Depending on who you ask (@Antropovsky), he got 102 accidental points this year, so that is not surprising.
thusk
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Yeah Nylander or Matthews would had took a similar shot and people who just said how what a shot and great play by him...
Marner doing it... It should be an accident ... come on be serious a moment. Marner saw the screen on shot the puck to the net, that's it.
No, that was a quick shot on the goalie instead of losing it on the half boards. Really weak by Bryzgalov to let that in, like really really weak. Good for the Leafs that it went in though!
That Nylander goal though, that was some real skill. Skate, and volley backhand up close in high speed. Yikes
Tak7
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The way he lets the puck ride up to the heel of his stick to get it to stand?
My personal view is that it's not an accident - I'm being absolutely serious when I say that too.
lol 2 to zero with a series yet to finish is hardly anything to point to I will tell you now as proven in last years playoffs marners looked worst without Matthews Matthew’s looked perfectly fine id argue even better without marner on his wing just saying
Are you kidding me that was not on purpose He shot cause the pressure was coming and he wanted to avoid the hit dont kid yourself still a great shot but get real
GoonieFace
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Hopefully this encourages him to just toss the puck on net more instead of trying some fancy plays that usually lead to turnovers.
Tak7
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There was no pressure - both checkers on him had let up, he was under no risk of being hit. Watch the slow-mo.
GoonieFace
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Yep, There was no pressure, he was along the boards, saw Knies in front and tossed it at the net. Otherwise known as the right play Mitchell.
Tak7
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No one called it a wrong play.
I'm talking about the nature of the shot itself, off the heel.
GoonieFace
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Never said anyone called it a wrong play. But I very much doubt he heeled it on purpose, that’s a stretch
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The poster I quoted was rather expressive in his defensive stance regarding Matthews. Stating that the line would sink without Matthews amazing defensive play. So if the poster sees added value to defensive play along with production with Matthews, why doesn't Marner get a pass when Marner plays PK and has outproduced Matthews in the playoffs this year and career wise?
None of them deserve a pass.
It's a 35million dollar line with Knies carrying the goal scoring. I'll give Marner credit, turnovers are gone and he's playing clutch. Now how much credit for a chip pass and a chucked puck who cares we're up 2-0.
GoonieFace
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I would say they both benefit from each other defensively. I have seen Laughton, Jarkcock and Lorentz make great defensive plays this series as well. While Marner has made some good plays as well, I think the praise is a little over the top.
Your watching the box score marner has made great pk plays but he’s been on for a lot of the goals against and him and Matthews are paired n I know for a fact Matthews isn’t on for the same amount of goals against last years pk with marner on it succed and at times he was a direct result of the goal if you watch with unbias eyes you’ll see who’s doing what and not the box score where at times there empty points Matthews included if Matthews doesn’t make the defensive play to spring marner who blew the zone early to receive a pucc at the offensive blue line that ends up being a bad play no? Another time marner did it and they didn’t recover the pucc and it ended up being a high danger scoring chance against that Stolarz has to bail him out on Matthew isnt cheating for offence at all he’s not allowed to as the center who should also play high in the zone but since marner isn’t really trying to engage down low Matthews has to play low on the offensive end and defensive end I’m not trying to diminish what marner brings but there’s no way I’m watching someone single out Matthews for doing more than his job the only thing he isn’t doing is scoring but news flash he hasn’t all year he’s dialled up every other part of his game I give him full marks for that
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