Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[leafs in five]

The results aren't reflecting his play which has been mediocre at best. Matthews is holding the fort up with Knies but they are handicapped with Marner hiding in witness protection both games. Near the end Matthews could hardly move because he is doing double duty. Wouldn't be surprised he has to sit a game.

Nobody can replay that game and focus Marner the individual and say. He is a game changer. Nylander yes. Knies yes. Matthews yes. JT is doing pretty good even. Marner is a passenger and it's just the way it is. Not built for these types of series

at even strength over 2 games, 3 goals for 0 against. oh well

 

[thewave]

at even strength over 2 games, 3 goals for 0 against. oh well

Matthews and Knies have been beasts. Bieska basically said what I said after game 1 and Matthews did that in game 2 as well.

They are going to exploit Marner as the weakness with home ice advantage watch. This things not over.

 

[leafs in five]

Matthews and Knies have been beasts. Bieska basically said what I said after game 1 and Matthews did that in game 2 as well.

They are going to exploit Marner as the weakness with home ice advantage watch. This things not over.

disagree but anyway I hope you continue to not get the results you are hoping for

 

[thewave]

disagree but anyway I hope you continue to not get the results you are hoping for

I want Marner off Matthews line because the rate Matthews is clipping at and his past health makes me think he is either going to burn out or get injured and I want neither. Marner is alone on an island playing Rover, no skin in the game, no physical aspect.

 

[leafs in five]

got it

 

[thewave]

got it

There is a reason they wanted to trade Marner for Rantanen you know. He had a hatty last night btw.

Look I hope Marner has a big game, we need to win. I just think it's going to come in the form of Berube using him another way in another situation.

 

[JL17]

Very happy he scored, but if you really think that was anything but a 'dump it before I get hit' shot, I suggest you watch it again.

Maybe he’ll learn throwing it to the net is a good thing. Last night he wanted zero to do with the physical play. He rushed and fumble quite a few clearing attempts. That goal felt like that was the only time that line got out of their own zone with Barkov on the ice.

There’s at least maybe 3 other wingers on this team that are having more of an impact on games than him right now.

 

[thusk]

You are right, Nylander doesnt do it either. I've said this often in the past. But Nylander has speed Marner doesnt and Nylander has strength Marner doesnt have. Nylander has a shot that Marner doesnt have.

Don't take my word for it, look at edge stats Nylander vs Marner. Look at this dramatic difference.

Marner:
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Nylander:
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Marner only makes plays from stationary areas because hes too slow to get away from attackers. The difference in skill sets is huge.

1- Why you changing the subject? The subject was the fact Marner didn't stay a lot in front of the net... Nothing in what you said talking about that....

2- Yeah they are 2 different type of player who's doing thing in a different way... and...?

3- Whatever what you saying, you will never outplaying the most difficult line to play against in the NHL with only 1 player playing well. Something even mcdavid failed. That line and everybody in that line right now playing well

 

[thewave]

Maybe he’ll learn throwing it to the net is a good thing. Last night he wanted zero to do with the physical play. He rushed and fumble quite a few clearing attempts. That goal felt like that was the only time that line got out of their own zone with Barkov on the ice.

There’s at least maybe 3 other wingers on this team that are having more of an impact on games than him right now.

Exactly what the eye test shows. I am sure there are stats guys that could support the eye test with ease.

 

[REALTALK81]

Im so tired of hearing this BS about elite defensive talent. If they are getting paid like McDavid/Drai/MacKinnon - this isnt a valid excuse.

Context certainly matters. When did said players sign? What did the projected cap look like going forward? Was it a flat cap? Also worthy to note. Matthews got a blank cheque and has a total of 2 points in the second round . None of them being goals.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Holy crap you wouldn’t think we are up 2-0 in the series with all this complaining about marner it’s sad

 

[All Mod Cons]

Great game from Mitch last night, and a huge, huge goal. Absolutely great to see.

 

[francis246]

Holy crap you wouldn’t think we are up 2-0 in the series with all this complaining about marner it’s sad

Just want to remind everyone, as a maple leaf. Marner and Nylander are the only two of the core 4 to score in the second round, both against the Florida panthers, both at even strength!

TBH all Nylander and Marner slander should be null and void at this point. I don’t know what more either of those two have to do. Nylander full stop is the best leaf in the playoffs. Marner can be better for sure, Marner isn’t ever going to be fully engaged physically, it’s not his game and expecting that is a fools race, but with Matthews shooting percentage the way it is, that line is not going to look dangerous unless Matthews starts scoring some goals. Knies and Marner have been doing their best, but if 5 on 5, one guy isn’t really scoring what more can they do? I also don’t want to hear the Matthews is injured bull crap, every one in the playoffs is playing hurt and his low shooting percentage isn’t isolated to this year. It drops significantly every playoffs.

 

[Hellcat]

I understand Mitch playing over a point per game (10 pts in 8 games) and scoring the game winner in game 2 of the second series is problematic for some but if you were actually a fan of the team you should be enjoying the crow he has consistently shoved down your throat this post season. It is okay to be wrong. It is okay to enjoy life. Leafs have won 6 out of 8 games. Mitch is only behind Willy in points on the team this post season while going head to head against 2 Selke level players. He set up the game winner in game 1 of the 2nd series as well. He is a set up man that is picking up points and scoring clutch goals.

Not just the game winner in Game 2 but he set up the game winner in Game 1. Of course the fact his line is going up against not one but TWO Selke nominees and a guy who scored 57 goals last year (39 this year) and his line is outscoring that line. I think it is 4 goals to 0 (yes Sasha scored but that was on the PP, it was not his regular line when he scored) is completely not acknowledge by the King of Haters but we know what his act is all about, a troll masquerading as a Leaf fan, how mods allow him to continue to post in this forum is beyond me, people have been suspended for less.

 

[ruaware41]

Even being someone who's pro Nylander since the day he was drafted and watched him in the SHL with Swedish commentary I didn't understand, reading this thread and the Nylander thread over the past few weeks, it would be hard to deny that it's the pro Nylander over Marner crowd that has become increasingly toxic and overly focused on player comparisons over team success, more so than the Marner > Nylander side. In the past Nylander was unfairly and excessively demonized and targeted but lately I've seen many more instigatory posts from the "Nylander > Marner" side in this thread, including passive aggressive posts saying things to the effect of hope Marner has a game like this.

People will say they don't actually hope for Marner to struggle but their posting habits say something else. I don't know why we've decided we will just compare these players until they retire. Marner has outproduced Nylander in just about every single regular season in his career. Nylander has had more success in the post season for a while. Both have unique skill sets.

 

[francis246]

Even being someone who's pro Nylander since the day he was drafted and watched him in the SHL with Swedish commentary I didn't understand, reading this thread and the Nylander thread over the past few weeks, it would be hard to deny that it's the pro Nylander over Marner crowd that has become increasingly toxic and overly focused on player comparisons over team success, more so than the Marner > Nylander side. In the past Nylander was unfairly and excessively demonized and targeted but lately I've seen many more instigatory posts from the "Nylander > Marner" side in this thread, including passive aggressive posts saying things to the effect of hope Marner has a game like this.

People will say they don't actually hope for Marner to struggle but their posting habits say something else. I don't know why we've decided we will just compare these players until they retire. Marner has outproduced Nylander in just about every single regular season in his career. Nylander has had more success in the post season for a while. Both have unique skill sets.

And we are lucky as hell to have them both for the time being.

 

[thusk]

Matthews and Knies have been beasts. Bieska basically said what I said after game 1 and Matthews did that in game 2 as well.

They are going to exploit Marner as the weakness with home ice advantage watch. This things not over.

exploit Marner weakness home ice advantage by playing 76% vs top sjutdown line in the entire NHl ?!?!?! Are you really serious?!?!?! I don't know what you really expecting new in Florida to make it harder than playong vs Barkov and reinhart most of the time but okay...

Maybe he’ll learn throwing it to the net is a good thing. Last night he wanted zero to do with the physical play. He rushed and fumble quite a few clearing attempts. That goal felt like that was the only time that line got out of their own zone with Barkov on the ice.

There’s at least maybe 3 other wingers on this team that are having more of an impact on games than him right now.

What are you talking about with physical play

Marner #4 in team hit
#5 in hit taken ( the only foward with more is Lorentz)

Last 3 year the highest number of goal than Barkov line allowed in a serie is 3 goal and that's including mcdavid, in 2 game knies-Matthews-marner are already at 3.

Why people are unable to enjoy the EVERYONE right now playing good hockey and deliver when it's matter unstead of trying to find 1001 reason to complain about?!?!?! I just don't understand at all why seriously

 

[Gary Nylund]

If Marner doesn't get any points in the first 4 games, do they make it to game 7? Actually.. Better question. What does Marner have to do to warrant a new contract for the Leafs? He's over a point per game. Leads the Leafs in playoff points. Faces the toughest opposition. Plays PK. Nominated for Selke. Matthews hasn't scored a single goal in the second round of a playoffs in his career and 99% of people here had zero problems giving him a blank cheque. Remember (as you mention) regular season means nothing.

We didn't make it to game 7, and that's a good thing. As I've said several times before, it's all about the team, it's time to support all the players and I suggest saving all the contract talk until after the playoffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Why people are unable to enjoy the EVERYONE right now playing good hockey and deliver when it's matter unstead of trying to find 1001 reason to complain about?!?!?! I just don't understand at all why seriously

I don't understand either. It seems like people are either complaining about Marner, or they're complaining about other posters not appreciating Marner, hard to believe people can't think of better things to discuss. We're closer to the cup than we've been in decades, the team is playing so well, instead of this constant bickering, why not stand back and appreciate how beautiful the big picture looks? And what a game by Woll last night eh? That was the #1 thing that made me happy last night. I'm curious about who the 3 stars were last night, if anyone could fill me in I'd appreciate it.

I almost never watch post game stuff but I watched some of Marner's interview last night. Amazing how much more comfortable he looks when we're winning, and he's asked not about us losing (again) but about his family.

I'm tempted to make a joke about how there's nothing wrong with playing on the perimeter when you can pick the corner with a wrister from half a mile away, but it seems like too many people are lacking a sense of humour right now so I'll just say that it's a beautiful morning, that was a fantastic win last night and I can't wait until tomorrow night. GLG!!

 

[DarkKnight]

Even being someone who's pro Nylander since the day he was drafted and watched him in the SHL with Swedish commentary I didn't understand, reading this thread and the Nylander thread over the past few weeks, it would be hard to deny that it's the pro Nylander over Marner crowd that has become increasingly toxic and overly focused on player comparisons over team success, more so than the Marner > Nylander side. In the past Nylander was unfairly and excessively demonized and targeted but lately I've seen many more instigatory posts from the "Nylander > Marner" side in this thread, including passive aggressive posts saying things to the effect of hope Marner has a game like this.

People will say they don't actually hope for Marner to struggle but their posting habits say something else. I don't know why we've decided we will just compare these players until they retire. Marner has outproduced Nylander in just about every single regular season in his career. Nylander has had more success in the post season for a while. Both have unique skill sets.

Well said.

 

[LeafGrief]

Marner is playing well. GWG, assist on game 1's GWG too, you can't fault that. I agree with the notion that it's Matthews who's dragging that line down, but seeing as we've all seen Marner play over 600 regular season and 65 playoff games at this point, I think it's fair to say that we know he has an extra gear offensively. His defence has been excellent.

That extra gear is the difference between "playing well" and "dazzling". That extra gear, which we see pretty darn often in the regular season, is what we still want to see him do late in the playoffs. Flinging the biscuit top cheese in Game 2 is a great moment, but it's not his Gilmour wrap around and nobody's eating crow for it. That's still to come, and if he keeps playing well, he'll have his moments. His play this year is very, very encouraging.

 

[thusk]

I don't understand either. It seems like people are either complaining about Marner, or they're complaining about other posters not appreciating Marner, hard to believe people can't think of better things to discuss. We're close to the cup than we've been in decades, the team is playing so well, instead of this constant bickering, why not stand back and appreciate how beautiful the picture looks? And what a game by Woll last night eh? That was the #1 thing that made me happy last night. I'm curious about who the 3 stars were last night, if anyone could fill me in I'd appreciate it.

I almost never watch post game stuff but I watched some of Marner's interview last night. Amazing how much more comfortable he looks when we're winning, and he's asked not about us losing (again) but about his family.

I'm tempted to make a joke about how there's nothing wrong with playing on the perimeter when you can pick the corner with a wrister from half a mile away, but it seems like too many people are lacking a sense of humour right now so I'll just say that it's a beautiful morning, that was a fantastic win last night and I can't wait until tomorrow night. GLG!!

Yeah

1-for Woll It was not perfect, i didn't like the 1st one but leafs came back and when it was the time to make the save and shut the down, he did it and it wqs amaizing.

Nylander started strong and when leafs need an answer in 2nd, he step up.

Marner and his line wasn't flashy last night but when leafs needed a responce, who's step in? We all know it would be difficult for that line againstthe best shutdown line in the world with 2 of 3 player on selke finalist... It was not perfect but 2 game in a row that line step up when leafs needed it and score GWG on both game... and now they already score the highest amount of goal vs Barkov line at 5v5 in a serie the last 3 year... It's amaizing

We just should relax until friday and just feel good and hope it will continu friday

 

[DarkKnight]

In on both game winning goals this series.

Sixth on the team in hits this playoffs.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner is playing well. GWG, assist on game 1's GWG too, you can't fault that. I agree with the notion that it's Matthews who's dragging that line down, but seeing as we've all seen Marner play over 600 regular season and 65 playoff games at this point, I think it's fair to say that we know he has an extra gear offensively. His defence has been excellent.

That extra gear is the difference between "playing well" and "dazzling". That extra gear, which we see pretty darn often in the regular season, is what we still want to see him do late in the playoffs. Flinging the biscuit top cheese in Game 2 is a great moment, but it's not his Gilmour wrap around and nobody's eating crow for it. That's still to come, and if he keeps playing well, he'll have his moments. His play this year is very, very encouraging.

Everybody is doing their job but the players that have stood out so far have been 88, 67 and 23.

Bob's got to have that Marner seeing eye, knuckle puck from the half boards in a 3-3 game, seconds after the Panthers tied that game. Some teams may have folded after that goal. Leafs winning the battle of the goalies so far.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah

1-for Woll It was not perfect, i didn't like the 1st one but leafs came back and when it was the time to make the save and shut the down, he did it and it wqs amaizing.

Nylander started strong and when leafs need an answer in 2nd, he step up.

Marner and his line wasn't flashy last night but when leafs needed a responce, who's step in? We all know it would be difficult for that line againstthe best shutdown line in the world with 2 of 3 player on selke finalist... It was not perfect but 2 game in a row that line step up when leafs needed it and score GWG on both game... and now they already score the highest amount of goal vs Barkov line at 5v5 in a serie the last 3 year... It's amaizing

We just should relax until friday and just feel good and hope it will continu friday

TBH, I thought Florida was definitely driving the play for most of the game and Woll though not perfect, was by far our best player. 2nd best was Nylander and after that I dunno, maybe Pacioretty?

The Matthews line was IMHO pretty bad. I mean I'm thrilled that Marner lucked out for that goal that saved us last night but objectively speaking, that line was outplayed pretty badly. I thought the Tavares line was our best one but they weren't amazing or anything and the more I think about it, the more I feel like Woll stole that one for us. But hey, we got a PP goal and Woll was amazing, special teams and goaltending getting it done in the playoffs, I have no problem with that whatsoever. And while on one hand, the play of the Matthews line leaves a lot to be desired, on the bright side we're winning games and it's easy to see how we can be quite a bit better than we've been so far.

I love how were winning in different ways. Whether it's Nylander's heroics, the depth guys chipping in (Pacioretty!!), the D blocking dozens of shots or the goalie stealing one, so far these playoffs have been a complete team effort. GLG!!