Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[ToneDog]

I guess it’s more so knowing you have him signed opposed to having to compete with who knows how many other teams on July 1st…

Like from Utah, can we get Crouse in exchange for a signed Marner.

Possible if Utah wants to shed salary.

 

[freshwind]

You’ve never seen 4 goals on 2 shots before?

that's what I'm expecting from willie tonight

 

[notDatsyuk]

Because it wasn't "on goal". Take away the goalie, the puck is still not going in (for deflections out, pucks that hit the post or crossbar and deflect in do count as SOG)

The weirder one is a wide or high shot that would not go in, but that the goal still stops do count as a SOG, but for those ones I guess that's just to remove subjectivity from the shot counter. "If the goalie thought it was worth stopping, count it."


We're veering well off topic here, though lol

Actually they don't count ones that would be wide/high that the goalie stops. The rule is anything that would be a goal if the last person (usually the goalie) doesn't stop it. And yes, that includes goals.

The problem now, and why some shots get counted then removed or not counted until later, is the gambling. Nobody used to care too much whether the shot clock showed 25 or 30 shots, but now that it's something that affects payouts from sponsors (gambling sites) each 'shot' is reviewed.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Let’s say Marner himself wants to move on from this franchise and continue his career somewhere else more quiet and with less media pressure and attention now having a small family…

If he is willing to do a sign and trade, get that 8th year in his contract, do you think we’d be able to get a good return? Seeing what Carolina paid and then Dallas for Rantanen without a guarantee, makes me thinks we’d be able to fetch a pretty good return.

You know if Marner hits the open market, there will be quite a few teams willing to pay him. Not often does one of the games best two-way players become available for just a blank cheque.

Utah is the team I can see a sign and trade work with. If Marner hits the open market, I’d expect Chicago to be all over him with a blank cheque.

If we were to go that way, I would want to be sure that Marner agreed to the trade (specifically the destination) and the other team agreed to the amount and term.

 

[uncleben]

Actually they don't count ones that would be wide/high that the goalie stops. The rule is anything that would be a goal if the last person (usually the goalie) doesn't stop it. And yes, that includes goals.

The problem now, and why some shots get counted then removed or not counted until later, is the gambling. Nobody used to care too much whether the shot clock showed 25 or 30 shots, but now that it's something that affects payouts from sponsors (gambling sites) each 'shot' is reviewed.

You sure? Because it still counts as a save, no?

 

[notDatsyuk]

You sure? Because it still counts as a save, no?

No, it doesn't. Sometimes it is initially recorded as a save, but on review it is removed, because the reviewer decided that it was going wide/high. That's why, now that gambling is involved, you often see the shot count go down.

Saves are just the shots minus the goals.

 

[uncleben]

No, it doesn't. Sometimes it is initially recorded as a save, but on review it is removed, because the reviewer decided that it was going wide/high. That's why, now that gambling is involved, you often see the shot count go down.

Ah... betting.

Makes a little more sense, because I could've sworn they used to count.

 

[thewave]

You’ve never seen 4 goals on 2 shots before?

Yeah well what they know. Goals go in the net. Shots that hit the post are not on the net. Is the net just the net? How do they know it would hit the net and not the post when you fire one into the tenders breadbasket. Shots go off the post and in as well is that a shot or a deflection? Does a deflection count as a shot? How about a pass that deflected on net. They were clearly liquloured up when they worked that shit out.

Lol

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

How is save percentage calculated?
It's saves/shots=(shots-goals)/shots

How is shooting percentage calculated? Goals/shots

Neither of these calculations make sense unless goals count as shots, and when they quote goaltender performance it's always something like "saved 28 of 30 shots", which again doesn't make sense unless a goal is also a shot.

Not every shot is a goal but every goal is a shot.

 

[thewave]

How is save percentage calculated?
It's saves/shots=(shots-goals)/shots

How is shooting percentage calculated? Goals/shots

Neither of these calculations make sense unless goals count as shots, and when they quote goaltender performance it's always something like "saved 28 of 30 shots", which again doesn't make sense unless a goal is also a shot.

Not every shot is a goal but every goal is a shot.

If a puck strickles in off a foot and stops on the goal line and is cleared out. Is It a shot?

I am just joking incase anyone is wondering

 

[notDatsyuk]

Ah... betting.

Makes a little more sense, because I could've sworn they used to count.

The rule hasn't changed, but they are stricter in applying it. Shots going wide that were stopped probably were (incorrectly) counted, because nobody cared so nobody reviewed them.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Dump ins don’t count as shots. It can be a bit subjective, but anything shot at the net with the sole purpose of scoring is counted as a shot on goal. At least that’s how I remember it being explained back in the 80’s…lol

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

If a puck strickles in off a foot and stops on the goal line and is cleared out. Is It a shot?

I am just joking incase anyone is wondering

Yes.

Anything that is on net counts as a shot even if it's a redirection.

One time I saw a clearing attempt from the other end of the rink richochet off both a defenseman and the boards and trickled in on net and the goalie had to put his stick on the ice and re-direct it into the corner and it counted as a shot.

I'm sure there is some subjectivity to it same as hits but for the most part any time the puck is directed at the net by any means it counts as a shot.

Edit: if it stops on the goal line before being cleared it might not count as there was no need for someone to stop it before it entered the net but like I said that is somewhat subjective and might be up to the whim of the person doing the recording.

For the most part if it's between the pipes it counts as a shot.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah well what they know. Goals go in the net. Shots that hit the post are not on the net. Is the net just the net? How do they know it would hit the net and not the post when you fire one into the tenders breadbasket. Shots go off the post and in as well is that a shot or a deflection? Does a deflection count as a shot? How about a pass that deflected on net. They were clearly liquloured up when they worked that shit out.

Lol

It’s very simple. A shot is something that would be a goal if the goalie didn’t stop it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If a puck strickles in off a foot and stops on the goal line and is cleared out. Is It a shot?

I am just joking incase anyone is wondering

If the foot that prevented it going in was the goalie's, then yes. Otherwise, no.

It's really pretty simple. If it would be a goal if the goalie doesn't stop it, it's a shot on goal. (If another player stops it, it's a blocked shot.) The only difficult part is deciding whether it would have gone in or not.

 

[francis246]

I guess it’s more so knowing you have him signed opposed to having to compete with who knows how many other teams on July 1st…

Like from Utah, can we get Crouse in exchange for a signed Marner.

We’re not gonna get Jack. Why would any team pay anything for Marner when they could get him for free on July 1st. Especially anything significant?

 

[Stringer Bell]

We need him to show something tonight.

 

[sunstersun]

If we had a functional 1st line outside of Knies, this series would be a blowout.

 

[Raging Bull]

Hes gotta shoot the puck.

 

[The Shadow]

I’m not sure how anyone can watch him play in the playoffs and think he should make a penny more than Rantanen

 

[Suntouchable13]

I’m not sure how anyone can watch him play in the playoffs and think he should make a penny more than Rantanen

Or Willy. Do you see Marner do the stuff that Willy is doing? No

 

[stickty111]

He just isn't on the level of Nylander.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Marner is invisible, wants no part of the rough stuff

 

[Stringer Bell]

He sticks entirely on the perimeter. Won't go a millimetre within it.

 

[Antropovsky]

Pronger "of the core 4, Nylander brings it every night in the playoffs, big game player"

Pronger "Nylander is putting the team on his back"