Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[al secord]

So this is the play? Very obviously don't know the rules, don't watch, comment the same negative bullkaka no matter how well we play, and then if anyone mentions it get all defensive about it and claim people aren't willing to talk about the game you obviously didn't watch with you.

Welcome to the Board. Try the veal.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

He made a real smart play to reel in the Florida defender before sending Knies home free on what would be the GWG. Would be nice if he scored himself but I’ll take any production from him. The powerplay sucked last night but there’s four other guys alongside him to blame for that debacle.

I’m sure he’ll have his positive moments this series.

 

[leafs in five]

Marner literally had a wrist shot from the blue line as a shot haha

haha

 

[Gary Nylund]

He made a real smart play to reel in the Florida defender before sending Knies home free on what would be the GWG. Would be nice if he scored himself but I’ll take any production from him. The powerplay sucked last night but there’s four other guys alongside him to blame for that debacle.

I’m sure he’ll have his positive moments this series.

Yup. I don't care who scores, help make it happen and I'm happy. IMO people should just lay off Marner (and everyone else). While the playoffs are going on would be nice to take a break from the bickering, show some unity as a fanbase and support all our players. When it's all over, that's time the to hand out report cards, discuss contracts and whatever else. GLG!!

On another note, how the NHL does winning goals is really stupid. You can score in a 4-0 game to make it 5-0 and if it ends up 5-4 that becomes the winning goal. Idiotic. Didn't they at some point have it so that the goal that puts your team in the lead for good is the winning goal? I know some sport did it, but maybe it was baseball, not sure. Makes sense to me though, the goal that breaks a tie is always a big one, the goal that pads the lead, not so much.

 

[francis246]

Goals don't count as shots on net. They are goals lol.

It's like you don't watch. Marner literally had a wrist shot from the blue line as a shot haha

Uhm… you’re joking right? A goal absolutely is a shot on goal.

Right there in the NHL glossary linked below

Official Site of the National Hockey League | NHL.com

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

 

[Mr_Fun]

Yup. I don't care who scores, help make it happen and I'm happy. IMO people should just lay off Marner (and everyone else). While the playoffs are going on would be nice to take a break from the bickering, show some unity as a fanbase and support all our players. When it's all over, that's time the to hand out report cards, discuss contracts and whatever else. GLG!!

On another note, how the NHL does winning goals is really stupid. You can score in a 4-0 game to make it 5-0 and if it ends up 5-4 that becomes the winning goal. Idiotic. Didn't they at some point have it so that the goal that puts your team in the lead for good is the winning goal? I know some sport did it, but maybe it was baseball, not sure. Makes sense to me though, the goal that breaks a tie is always a big one, the goal that pads the lead, not so much.

Yeah, I want to look at this whole thing as one; how the team does as opposed to individual accolades. It's irrelevant (at least to me) what a players salary is. As long as this combination is winning and getting it done, it matters very little as to who scores assists, or whatever; as long as these guys get it done its all good.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah, I want to look at this whole thing as one; how the team does as opposed to individual accolades. It's irrelevant (at least to me) what a players salary is. As long as this combination is winning and getting it done, it matters very little as to who scores assists, or whatever; as long as these guys get it done its all good.

For me, salaries only matter in the context of the team, and only because there's a salary cap. If the team wins, then I don't care if some players are overpaid but on the other hand, we keep losing in the playoffs and under those circumstances, it's only natural for people to discuss who's earning their pay and who isn't. And of course the opposite is true too, I'm thrilled that Stolarz for example has performed way above his pay grade so far this season.

 

[studebaker17]

Yup. I don't care who scores, help make it happen and I'm happy. IMO people should just lay off Marner (and everyone else). While the playoffs are going on would be nice to take a break from the bickering, show some unity as a fanbase and support all our players. When it's all over, that's time the to hand out report cards, discuss contracts and whatever else. GLG!!

On another note, how the NHL does winning goals is really stupid. You can score in a 4-0 game to make it 5-0 and if it ends up 5-4 that becomes the winning goal. Idiotic. Didn't they at some point have it so that the goal that puts your team in the lead for good is the winning goal? I know some sport did it, but maybe it was baseball, not sure. Makes sense to me though, the goal that breaks a tie is always a big one, the goal that pads the lead, not so much.

Game winning goal stats are such a stupid stat. Pretty much meaningless when the data points are so few.
Clutch goals maybe hard to quantify . Ot winners , go ahead goals, tying goals easy enough but lots of other important scenarios . Probably easier just to count stats padding goals in blowouts as not as important . Fewer to count.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

I don't think anyone 'hates' any of them.

It's much more a matter of disappointment that the two who are supposed to be the best have only 3 goals combined in 7 games.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I don't think anyone 'hates' any of them.

It's much more a matter of disappointment that the two who are supposed to be the best have only 3 goals combined in 7 games.

You can't be serious.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yup. I don't care who scores, help make it happen and I'm happy. IMO people should just lay off Marner (and everyone else). While the playoffs are going on would be nice to take a break from the bickering, show some unity as a fanbase and support all our players. When it's all over, that's time the to hand out report cards, discuss contracts and whatever else. GLG!!

On another note, how the NHL does winning goals is really stupid. You can score in a 4-0 game to make it 5-0 and if it ends up 5-4 that becomes the winning goal. Idiotic. Didn't they at some point have it so that the goal that puts your team in the lead for good is the winning goal? I know some sport did it, but maybe it was baseball, not sure. Makes sense to me though, the goal that breaks a tie is always a big one, the goal that pads the lead, not so much.

Baseball definitely does it that way. If hockey did it would have been Nylander in this game.

It can be pretty arbitrary. Unless it's 4-4 and you score the 5th, which is the most important goal in a 5-4 win?

I prefer the MLB way.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You can't be serious.

I am. I know there are several posters who have a definite bias for or against certain players, but 'hate' is a ridiculously extreme word to use about someone as irrelevant as a hockey player or another poster.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I am. I know there are several posters who have a definite bias for or against certain players, but 'hate' is a ridiculously extreme word to use about someone as irrelevant as a hockey player or another poster.

I mean, if you want to claim that the people who go online and/or publicly state that they hate Mitch Marner - don't actually hate Mitch Marner - then fine I guess, but there is undeniable hatred thrown his way (as well as towards Willy and Auston, TBF). I do tend to agree that it's ridiculous to actually hate a player, but it's certainly not something I haven't witnessed from friends and acquaintances.

 

[leafs in five]

I don't think anyone 'hates' any of them.

It's much more a matter of disappointment that the two who are supposed to be the best have only 3 goals combined in 7 games.

You are disappointed in the players on this team currently?

 

[leafs in five]

You'd have to put Mathews with Domi and McMann and call that the second/third line (which may not be the worst thing in the world. If you put Matthews and Willy with each that becomes the #1 line and the same problems persist.

Patches-JT-Nylander instantly become the first line. We'd have to see if they can at least be a net neutral against the opponents best like the Matthews line has been.

Knies-Holmberg Marner? Holmberg is a black hole offensively, but the other two should still be able to get things done, especially against weaker competition.

Top 5/6 forwards all play virtually the same amount at 5v5 every night anyway

 

[thewave]

According to natural stat trick, Marner has played 18 minutes without Matthews these playoffs and in those 18 minutes Marner has been absolutely terrible. Matthews has been amazing in those mins without Marner and significantly better than when hes with Marner.

Matthews without Marner:
Cf: 66%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Cf: 24%

Matthews without Marner:
Fenwick: 83%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Fenwick: 27%

Matthews without Marner:
Shots for%: 100%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Shots for%: 30%

Matthews without Marner:
Xgf%: 95%

Marner without Matthews:
Xgf%: 34%

You could just use your eyes you know.

Then proceed to be the town doomsayer like me for years flailing about.

It's really not a hard one to figure out

 

[thewave]

Uhm… you’re joking right? A goal absolutely is a shot on goal.

Right there in the NHL glossary linked below

Official Site of the National Hockey League | NHL.com

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

Watch the shot ticker on the game and see if it goes up with a goal. If it does it's gotta be the Mandela effect.

 

[Dreakmur]

Swapping Marner and Domi severely weakens them defensively.

Weakens that line and strengthens another, and likely strengthens the team as a whole.

 

[thewave]

Weakens that line and strengthens another, and likely strengthens the team as a whole.

Domi takes pressure off Matthews and gives FLA a bit more challenge. Marner has been too easy to cover so far.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Game winning goal stats are such a stupid stat.

rofl... this is epic. GWG are meaningless, shouldn't be tracked, nothing special about getting one of those!

I don't think anyone 'hates' any of them.

Speaking of rofl... comedic gold right here. Just read through the thread. People seem to take offense to any thought that there are very obviously people here who actively root against some of our players, almost like it hits too close to home.

 

[ACC1224]

Weakens that line and strengthens another, and likely strengthens the team as a whole.

It's tough to see how weakening the top defensive line makes the team stronger.
Moot anyway, zero chance the team makes this change.

 

[thewave]

rofl... this is epic. GWG are meaningless, shouldn't be tracked, nothing special about getting one of those!

Speaking of rofl... comedic gold right here. Just read through the thread. People seem to take offense to any thought that there are very obviously people here who actively root against some of our players, almost like it hits too close to home.

Never noticed people doing what you claim. I have seen people argue players being overpaid, not worth a contract. Not performing on a line or in certain situations but not actively against them.

Besides it's HFBoards not Tucker Carlson

 

[Dreakmur]

It's tough to see how weakening the top defensive line makes the team stronger.

By strengthening other lines by a larger amount than you weaken it.

Moot anyway, zero chance the team makes this change.

Agreed. Calling that line defensive is excellent cover for the lack of production from the two stars.

 

[ACC1224]

You can't be serious.

Believe the word is oblivious.

There are some here who have dedicated their lives to making stuff up about a player in hopes of ___________. Never really been sure what they are hoping to accomplish.
So sad.

 

[ACC1224]

By strengthening other lines by a larger amount than you weaken it.



Agreed. Calling that line defensive is excellent cover for the lack of production from the two stars.

Giving possibly the worst defensive player on the roster a larger defensive role wouldn't be considered strengthening the team.
It's all about winning, score more than you give up.

Like I said moot anyway, no chance Berube does this. I'm sure he's quite happy with the top 2 lines dominating their matchups.

*** anyway, this is off topic for this thread anyway.