Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[ToneDog]

Games 86-89. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Meanwhile games 86-89 for the guy who sleeps through some games and is not as good as Marner.

Games 86-89 for their fearsome leader

Games 86-89 for the ex-captain who wants $7m as he edges closer to the cliff

The good thing is they have matched their high of 5 wins in a playoff and are up 1-0 on the SC champs. Amazing shit.

 

[arso40]

I don't ever see it happening, but if they move Matthews away from Knies and marner and come up with a good defensive center, it might be worth a look.

Knies - center - marner

Matthews has the lowest efficiency rating (shooting %) of all players who have scored these playoffs.

Don't take marner away from Knies who doesn't appear to be broken.

Maybe getting Matthews away from the better defenders can get him going.

At least 20 playoffs game last 5 years:

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Knies and Matthews work I wouldn’t deviate from that marner and mcmann should be similar

 

[1specter]

Games 86-89. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Meanwhile games 86-89 for the guy who sleeps through some games and is not as good as Marner.

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At least there wasn't a total 0 in closeout games this time? I've given up hope on this guy ever scoring playoff goals again though. Rielly has surpassed him now in career playoff goals in the same # of games...

 

[arso40]

I think swapping Marner and domi is more so trying to maximize Marner a bit more

You see correct in Matthews not scoring is not marners fault, but Marner keeps finding a guy who won’t score.

I’d try Marner in a different line only because he should have someone on his line that can finish his setups even if they aren’t an empty net

Also it isn’t sustainable to expect the second line, specifically nylander and patches, to look like Mcdavid and Hyman every game.

It’s a shame Laughton isn’t a 20ish goal scorer as I would’ve tried mcmann/jarnkrok with Laughton and Marner. The Laughton line got torched so I wouldn’t mind switching it up.

I wouldn’t be opposed to swapping around Marner if we had the right personelle, but I don’t think we have the goal scoring C currently.

That could work and slide holmberg in the 4c hole

 

[arso40]

We gotta get marner and Matthews going if we’re going to win anything they aren’t working together and despite the narrative Matthews is a great defensive center he doesn’t need marner so stay great defensively I recall last year Marner looked the worst out of the three when they were separated so this idea that he needs marner on the line to be great defensively is bs I saw marner make a stupid pass in the defensive zone yesterday that could have cost us a goal minus the great anticipation play near the offensive blue line by marner yesterday pretty much all the defensive stop are on Matthews sticc hell be just fine without him

 

[ToneDog]

The difference between us and the cup could very well be the Marner/Matthews elevating their games more.

A Marner performance equalling what Willy did last night in game 2 would be massive.

I have a feeling things are going to get harder before they get easier for the Leafs. Of course, I never could have predicted what happened last night but it was the most entertaining game of the season IMO. More please.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Games 86-89. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The good thing is they have matched their high of 5 wins in a playoff and are up 1-0 on the SC champs. Amazing shit.

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

 

[Tak7]

They only moved him there cause the pp was Doing nothing

They moved him there to give the point back to Morgan Rielly, who replaced Knies on the PPs in the 3rd - cautious, and perhaps worried about giving up shorties in a tight game.

 

[1specter]

They moved him there to give the point back to Morgan Rielly, who replaced Knies on the PPs in the 3rd - cautious, and perhaps worried about giving up shorties in a tight game.

Yup, this is exactly what Berube said.

 

[ToneDog]

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

Dude those are their numbers. If they bother you, perhaps you should take a break.

$46.65m gets you 33 points in 28 games. Talk about inflation.

2 goals, 4 assists in the last 4 games for 16, 34 and 91 (0.5 PPG). The points are are starting to dry up. Thankfully Styles is once again more than pulling his weight.

 

[thewave]

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

Do you need a hug? Not from me.

Marner was really awful last night and the past few elimination games eh. Like he was really smelling up SBA. I hope he is moved to a different line. I think he will be good on L3 or L2 maybe

 

[Aashir]

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

I think it's fair to say we haven't seen enough from JT, MM, and AM but still they haven't been awful like last year.

Marner's issue is shooting once again, he has 12 shots in 7 games and a few of them are dump ins on the goalie. He needs to start shooting more and less passing. He needs to start scoring more than 1 goal a series.

Matthews can't score goals at a good rate anymore, we gotta accept it I guess, but he can't just be a ppg player. 2 goals on 26 shots is just unacceptable from any forward not named jarnkrok, regardless of injury IMO. he needs to look to find marner and knies more.

Tavares wasn't even bad and really helped setup the 1-0 goal, but game 6 + game 1 he didn't do as much as he was earlier on in the series, and he made some questionable plays on the pp too.

All in all, I think you can find things to complain from Matthews, Marner, and Tavares and still acknowledge that they've been solid, it's just they each have another level they need to get to if we wanna win this thing

 

[IPS]

Playoff Record: 5-2
Total Points for Guys You Needlessly Hate: 33 (Average of 1.18 PPG)

Legit terrible stuff from these guys. Awful. Would hate if they kept up this exact thing for the foreseeable future.

We're just terrible fans for wanting to see that next gear from Marner like he showed early vs the Sens?

It's also worth noting that this version of Mitch is far better than what we've seen in other playoff years like the version against Montreal and Columbus.

 

[ToneDog]

Do you need a hug? Not from me.

Marner was really awful last night and the past few elimination games eh. Like he was really smelling up SBA. I hope he is moved to a different line. I think he will be good on L3 or L2 maybe

Cut him some slack. He was playing on fumes due to lack of sleep. Expect a huge game from him tomorrow.

 

[Hellcat]

So you would agree Domi is a better playmaker than Marner then? Your logic is if someone has more points, then they are the better player?

Remember how for years people were pumping Marner as the leagues best playmaker. Enter journeyman 3rd liner, Max Domi. Over the past two seasons, Domi has more first assists/60 than Marner. Now you have to admit, thats kinda funny? Are the Leafs just loaded with goal scorers who are boosting assists? How is it possible that Domi has more first assists over 2 FULL SEASONS than pass first Marner?

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Dude please for the sake of humanity stop with these inane cherry picked stat posts. The only concrete point you've made in the last year or so, is you really dont have a clue about what point you are attempting to make. Clearly math is not your forte either, if you didn't catch on, my answer to your question is in the first part of this sentence.

Using your rationale you're saying that Domi is a better player than Marner, Draisaitl, Barkov, MacKinnon. Stop trolling.

 

[ToneDog]

We're just terrible fans for wanting to see that next gear from Marner like he showed early vs the Sens?

It's also worth noting that this version of Mitch is far better than what we've seen in other playoff years like the version against Montreal and Columbus.

If these guys were not so overpaid, they would not get the flack they do. When you are the highest paid player in the league or you have been paid $10m more than Rantanen and want even more than him the second time around, you are expected to perform. If not for a couple of sweet goals by Knies who is making less that 10% what the other 2 are making, their numbers would be worse.

 

[thewave]

Cut him some slack. He was playing on fumes due to lack of sleep. Expect a huge game from him tomorrow.

The only one expecting anything around Marner was his wife. He has made me comfortably numb over the years.

 

[keonsbitterness]

For me the assist on the fifth goal cancels out his struggles last night. Nothing is more important in playoff hockey than making plays on key goals.

 

[Aashir]

For me the assist on the fifth goal cancels out his struggles last night. Nothing is more important in playoff hockey than making plays on key goals.

Fair way to look at it imo

Biggest gripe has been not showing up in key moments…well he did that last night

 

[Mr_Fun]

Last night, sorted by Shots on Goal.

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He wired one at the end of the period that AM almost tipped into the net. I can agree that in general, I'd like to see more shot attempts (PP, I'm looking at you), but last night 5v5 wasn't bad at all -- as evidenced by the stats.

 

[Antropovsky]

According to natural stat trick, Marner has played 18 minutes without Matthews these playoffs and in those 18 minutes Marner has been absolutely terrible. Matthews has been amazing in those mins without Marner and significantly better than when hes with Marner.

Matthews without Marner:
Cf: 66%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Cf: 24%

Matthews without Marner:
Fenwick: 83%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Fenwick: 27%

Matthews without Marner:
Shots for%: 100%

Marner witjout Matthews:
Shots for%: 30%

Matthews without Marner:
Xgf%: 95%

Marner without Matthews:
Xgf%: 34%

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Marner just needs to find a way to better put the puck into the back of the net in the playoffs. He only has SEVEN goals in his last 43 playoff games and TWELVE goals in 63.

That is horrific.

Yikes, he's a great playmaker, but at the end of the day he needs more goals. 7 in 43 games is a 13 goal pace over a regular season..... Just not good enough. Hopefully we see some big goals this year.

 

[Gabriel426]

They moved him there to give the point back to Morgan Rielly, who replaced Knies on the PPs in the 3rd - cautious, and perhaps worried about giving up shorties in a tight game.

Would it make more sense to put Tanev or McCabe or even OEL there instead of Reilly, if the goal is to prevent giving up SH goal?

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

I don't ever see it happening, but if they move Matthews away from Knies and marner and come up with a good defensive center, it might be worth a look.

Knies - center - marner

Matthews has the lowest efficiency rating (shooting %) of all players who have scored these playoffs.

Don't take marner away from Knies who doesn't appear to be broken.

Maybe getting Matthews away from the better defenders can get him going.

At least 20 playoffs game last 5 years:

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You'd have to put Mathews with Domi and McMann and call that the second/third line (which may not be the worst thing in the world. If you put Matthews and Willy with each that becomes the #1 line and the same problems persist.

Patches-JT-Nylander instantly become the first line. We'd have to see if they can at least be a net neutral against the opponents best like the Matthews line has been.

Knies-Holmberg Marner? Holmberg is a black hole offensively, but the other two should still be able to get things done, especially against weaker competition.

 

[Superstar]

I honestly don't think finesse or physical was the problem. We had chokers, and bad goaltending.

I thought we could go far in 2021 and 2022.

We still have chokers(Matthews), but now we have good goaltending.

We also have a Conn Smythe player in Willy.

The first several years with Dubas as GM, the Leafs were soft as butter, except for Kadri...the Leafs got physically pushed around, even during regular season...and when Kadri was traded, instead of a stud heavy dman, we got Kerfoot and Barrie...i remember how upset Babcock was when we got Barrie, lol