Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[ACC1224]

They were still prepared to pull the trigger on the trade. So found/approached is besides the point.

They weren’t seeking out teams to move him to. Their preference has always been to sign him. This seemed more a negotiation ploy than anything. They knew he’d say no.

 

[HarryLime]

Congrats on the baby to him and his wife.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Put money down on Mitch to score. Gotta be getting a plus 500 buff from his birthday and new baby boy tomorrow lol. Congrats Mitchy.

 

[Menzinger]

They weren’t seeking out teams to move him to. Their preference has always been to sign him. This seemed more a negotiation ploy than anything. They knew he’d say no.

I don't see anything to support this, other than idle speculation. If he agreed to waive he'd be in Dallas.

The only thing we 'know' as in things tangibly reported by the media:

1) the team tried to extend him earlier in the year
2) there has been frustration leading up to the tdl about lack of progress
3) the player was asked to waive their NMC for a specific trade

What all that means for the time between now and July 1st is now anyone guess.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Put money down on Mitch to score. Gotta be getting a plus 500 buff from his birthday and new baby boy tomorrow lol. Congrats Mitchy.

Sure hope so.. he and the rest of the leafs need to be even better to beat Florida

 

[leafs in five]

FFS Sakic refused to do it for Rantanan.

might have been a bad move

 

[Antropovsky]

Agreed this really is being discussed in the wrong thread. His historical performance should be in the Around the League thread.

Super confused. Marner fans have compared Marner to Rantanen for years, escpecially early on when they could point to Marners stronger 2019 season, but now that Rantanen has separated himself comfortably, Marner fans want Rantanen comparisons out of the Leaf threads?

I say Marner fans, because these are the supporters who think you cant be a leaf fan if you are critical of Marner. Which actually is a Marner fan, not a Leaf fan.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't see anything to support this, other than idle speculation. If he agreed to waive he'd be in Dallas.

The only thing we 'know' as in things tangibly reported by the media:

1) the team tried to extend him earlier in the year
2) there has been frustration leading up to the tdl about lack of progress
3) the player was asked to waive their NMC for a specific trade

What all that means for the time between now and July 1st is now anyone guess.

Yep we make educated guesses with the info we have.

 

[francis246]

They were still prepared to pull the trigger on the trade. So found/approached is besides the point.



In the player's own words, unprompted, he described playing on Toronto as being treated like a 'God', I think we can hold off a bit on the poor Marner stuff

And expecting a team to walk on eggshells around a player who is themselves using strongarm tactics (refusing to negotiate) seems a bit silly.

You're a working man I'm going to assume, do you feel the same about your job or any situation in life you did a year or two years ago? Things change for people, including athletes. Your perspective on a situation can be influenced by many things with reflection, time, conversations with those close to you, so I don't know why we are acting like Marner's perception of this market hasn't or can never change, it's a bit naive don't you think? and no one is saying poor marner.

secondly, I did say, "Right or wrong, what Brad did at the deadline with Carolina probably added to the feelings of not being wanted."

that is not an endorsement for the team to walk on eggshells, it's simply stating an observation, that decision probably made things worse. That being said they felt like they had to do it, but the end result is even more strain, it's a risk they knew they were taking. Again, I'm not sure why anyone feels sorry for this organization. You knew Marner was expiring and had UFA status, you knew he had a full NMC, I'm not feeling sorry for anyone in management, this situation was poorly handled from 2023 and if you want to go further, 2021 after Montreal.

 

[LeafEgo]

I don't see anything to support this, other than idle speculation. If he agreed to waive he'd be in Dallas.

The only thing we 'know' as in things tangibly reported by the media:

1) the team tried to extend him earlier in the year
2) there has been frustration leading up to the tdl about lack of progress
3) the player was asked to waive their NMC for a specific trade

What all that means for the time between now and July 1st is now anyone guess.

I'm not caught up on it all but the media spinning random stuff all the time I believe also have reported the opposite of #1 and #2.

As far as I know the only things that are certain is what happened in the offseason, and asking to waive the NMC at the tdl. And those don't mesh either.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Leaf Fans]

Super confused. Marner fans have compared Marner to Rantanen for years, escpecially early on when they could point to Marners stronger 2019 season, but now that Rantanen has separated himself comfortably, Marner fans want Rantanen comparisons out of the Leaf threads?

I say Marner fans, because these are the supporters who think you cant be a leaf fan if you are critical of Marner. Which actually is a Marner fan, not a Leaf fan.

Yeah, your definition of Marner fans is your own creation. It doesn't fit anyone on the board.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Wow, I'd be just like the real Mitch Marner. Without the 10.93M a year.

 

[arso40]

Lets goooooo mitchy tomorrow could be the start of something magical your a dad now you got a little boy who’s gonna think the world of you time to turn it up a couple notches screw the panthers

 

[notDatsyuk]

Oh I wasn't wrong. You were. And for once, you admitted it, and it was such progress that I didn't even bother pointing out how much you slanted your representation of the Marner/Nylander stats towards flattering Nylander. Who cares, right? We won the series and both players played well.

But I move on and less than 12 hours later, you're quoting my post for the second time to blame everybody but yourself for people not being super interested in discussing the facts you had messed up, right after you insulted them. Gee I wonder why. And now you're going after me. What a surprise.

The only surprise is that you can be so wrong so regularly, apparently without realizing it.

I provided some facts and several posters ignored them and focused on a perceived insult that didn't exist. I didn't blame anyone, just pointed out facts.

 

[thewave]

Oh I wasn't wrong. You were. And for once, you admitted it, and it was such progress that I didn't even bother pointing out how much you slanted your representation of the Marner/Nylander stats towards flattering Nylander. Who cares, right? We won the series and both players played well.

But I move on and less than 12 hours later, you're quoting my post for the second time to blame everybody but yourself for people not being super interested in discussing the facts you had messed up, right after you insulted them. Gee I wonder why. And now you're going after me. What a surprise.

Rantanen really put a clinic on the other night. When was the last elimination game Marner did something like that in.

What a game I tell ya

 

[BTP]

If we get a clutch showtime Mitch Marner thats a difference maker this series

 

[Antropovsky]

If we get a clutch showtime Mitch Marner thats a difference maker this series

What series in his past 9 years did we see this version of Marner?

Feels like a Bigfoot like mythical creature I've been hearing about every year. I keep hearing about him, but nobody has ever seen him.

 

[arso40]

What series in his past 9 years did we see this version of Marner?

Feels like a Bigfoot like mythical creature I've been hearing about every year. I keep hearing about him, but nobody has ever seen him.

Bacc off Antro let’s get a little good juju in the air this is a big series

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Bacc off Antro let’s get a little good juju in the air this is a big series

100%

 

[KAWAIlllI]

If marner walks and we get no return the only person I’ll be pissed off at is Shanahan. He had the opportunity to in 2023 and spent two months in a pissing contest with Dubas rather than focus on improving the team. He then didn’t allow Tre to trade him once Tre was hired. I’m not finna cheer for Marner once he leaves but the no return is squarely on the leafs. It’s the President and GM’s job to construct the roster, it’s not Marner’s job to ensure the leafs get a return for him.

While I mostly agree, I do think that some of this is on Marner - if he really wanted to stay as a Leaf, he could’ve signed this season, but it’s all about money with him it seems. And yeah, it’s up to the players how they want to live their lives and it’s up to management to construct the team, but as a “I love it here, Im treated like a God, my hometown”-kinda guy, Marner couldve handled this much, much better.

If the Leafs and Marner do their usual thing this upcoming series, and he leaves for nothing, when the Leafs could’ve gotten some return, then yeah, I can understand why some fans would have some issues with it. Hell, same fans gave Sundin shit for wanting to STAY a Leaf, while instead he was run out of town.

But, I actually think that the Leafs are better off without him in the coming years. Their track record with him is enough for me to believe so at least

 

[Gabriel426]

It is absolutely unfair to compare anyone to Rantanen at this moment, as he is literally the best and most clutch player in this current playoffs with his plays in Game 6 and 7.

If anyone here think Leafs is better off to have anyone of MM, AM, JT or Willie instead of Rantanen for the playoffs at this moment, that just being a homer. Who wouldn’t want to have a player that had 8 points in Game 6 and 7?

But this will most likely change in two weeks.

 

[thewave]

What series in his past 9 years did we see this version of Marner?

Feels like a Bigfoot like mythical creature I've been hearing about every year. I keep hearing about him, but nobody has ever seen him.

It's pretty simple.

He MAY pass the puck to someone who will score a goal in a big game. He simply does not have the physical attributes to play with these heavier teams and Matthews will take the blame being called a trash C while covering up for all the areas of Marners game he is cheating on.

The Marner for Rantanen trade that should have happened but didn't because he refused would have been a game changer for us.

Rantanen just pulled off a hockey version of Kawhi Leonard for Dallas. Their whole front office is wearing shit eating grins.

 

[francis246]

It's pretty simple.

He MAY pass the puck to someone who will score a goal in a big game. He simply does not have the physical attributes to play with these heavier teams and Matthews will take the blame being called a trash C while covering up for all the areas of Marners game he is cheating on.

The Marner for Rantanen trade that should have happened but didn't because he refused would have been a game changer for us.

Rantanen just pulled off a hockey version of Kawhi Leonard for Dallas. Their whole front office is wearing shit eating grins.

Let’s settle down. Dallas has won one round. What Rantanen did was unbelievable and outstanding but far from anything Kawhi level.

 

[leafs in five]

Bacc off Antro let’s get a little good juju in the air this is a big series

I would prefer that he dial it up a few notches like he did during the 4 Nations tourney, close readings of teammate and coach comments, frame by frame breakdowns of goal involvement, it worked great in that instance