Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[Hellcat]

No other 'fan'base would go so far out of their way to diminish the play of one of the 'favourite' teams top players after a playoff series win. It's so bizarre.
Really starting to pity them all, really quite sad.

We've (Leaf fan base) gone so long complaining about this team, we've conditioned ourselves to not enjoy the amazing toys the Hockey gods have blessed us with. We tend to believe that the Leafs will either 1) Fail in a new and embarrassing way or 2) The toys we have are never as good as the toys other fan bases have or both.

I get the players we have are not perfect, no one guy scores 50 every year, they dont out hit or out work or our assist or out speed but no guy does, some Avs fans have criticisms about MacKinnon, some Oilers fans have criticisms about McDavid... no player is perfect and some of our fan base is ignorant to that point, for many of the critical "fans" I feel like that is the standard for Mitch, perfection, Mitch has to be perfect at every aspect or he sucks... he's elite at what he does best. that is good enough for me, I dont need a one guy is everything player, because that player is a myth.

 

[Hellcat]

Marner with only one goal and 7 assists (all but two on the PP), while Nylander, with 20% less ES and PP ice time, has three times as many goals and only one fewer assists (more at ES).

This has to be an absolutely soul crushing loss to the Marner boosters, who have no recourse but to use childish insults like calling people they disagree with 'haters'.

You imply that using an adjective to describe people who are critical of Mitch as childish but yet you yourself use and adjective to describe people who are not hyper critical of Mitch. Sooo... being self aware... should we discuss the process in being self aware?

 

[Hellcat]

I've already posted like 3 advanced stats that show Marner was a good 5-6 mil ish player, yet the boomer scouts obsessed with HR, batting % are literally killing the team evaluation.

Do you understand box score doesn't mean much today? We already had a box score series from Marner against Tampa Bay, so you want to be reminded about how badly that translated to Florida?

If you think your cherry picked stats indicate Mitch is a 5 to 6 mil player, you dont know how to interpret stats. Gaslight much?

 

[Hellcat]

Marner is scoring at a 13 goal pace since 2019-2020 playoffs.

He had a grand total of 5-5v5 shots in 6 games vs the Senators.

11 million and this guy is almost a non-factor as a shooting threat.

You didn't answer my question, why did you give me an answer to a question I didn't ask? Your sample size is too big BTW, once you get past 3 years, it's immaterial.

Care to answer my original question?

 

[Leaf Fans]

We've (Leaf fan base) gone so long bitching about this team, we've conditioned ourselves to not enjoy the amazing toys the Hockey gods have blessed us with. We tend to believe that the Leafs will either 1) Fail in a new and embarrassing way or 2) The toys we have are never as good as the toys other fan bases have or both.

I get the players we have are not perfect, no one guy scores 50 every year, they dont out hit or out work or our assist or out speed but no guy does, some Avs fans have criticisms about MacKinnon, some Oilers fans have criticisms about McDavid... no player is perfect and some of our fan base is ignorant to that point, for many of the critical "fans" I feel like that is the standard for Mitch, perfection, Mitch has to be perfect at every aspect or he sucks... he's elite at what he does best. that is good enough for me, I dont need a one guy is everything player, because that player is a myth.

I enjoy every game. I think some people just like to complain

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The good news is we have a true challenger here. No good thing is too small provided we win games. The Mitch decision is a massive one, but let's start with the present, and that is ultimately what we're here for.

Line 1 will need to generate a lot of offense for us to win. Let's see what they got, it's going to be tough.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

We have both. It makes no difference to me which one is better.

I think this is how every leaf fan should be feeling right now. Yes, they perform differently and one is better than the other at some stuff, but feels like your board is full with people with agendas towards one of the players.

I get that one can point to different things, based on facts, but then there’s some poster, like someone with a username that could also be “A Canadian with courage” (don’t want to write his username), that just says something totally weird, without any kind of facts backing it up, then just laughs or ignores when others call him out, or people with only big letters in his username randomly leaving a comment on one player that CLEARLY is meant to trigger others, then plays dumb when confronted about it.

Of course this discussion or whatever won’t go anywhere with that attitude.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Ya it's soul crushing that one of our players is doing well. Im ecstatic he potted two last game, loved his jam! That comment just says more about your inherent bias than who you've directed it towards. See if you can figure that out, doubt it though. You're welcome.

You pretty obviously missed the point.

I was making gentle fun of his "inherent bias".

See if you can figure that out, doubt it though. You're welcome.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You imply that using an adjective to describe people who are critical of Mitch as childish but yet you yourself use and adjective to describe people who are not hyper critical of Mitch. Sooo... being self aware... should we discuss the process in being self aware?

Do you really think 'boosters' is an insult?

I would say it's a compliment, whereas 'haters' is not.

 

[francis246]

Do you really think 'boosters' is an insult?

I would say it's a compliment, whereas 'haters' is not.

Your intention is to use it as an insult lol. You’re not complimenting anyone.

 

[HarryLime]

What's AAV people on here think he wants from us?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Your intention is to use it as an insult lol. You’re not complimenting anyone.

Actually no. It was at worst a neutral term, and it was not intended as an insult.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Your intention is to use it as an insult lol. You’re not complimenting anyone.

The intention is also to deflect and distract, when he knows he's wrong. Everybody is so focused on him insulting people that they missed that his statement directly prior wasn't true.

 

[kevsh]

t was weird seeing Willy on so late last night. Paid off, but was a bit of a surprise

If you're a coach and could use an EN goal to put the game away there are few players that will fight harder to get it than Willy.

Yes, that's a bit of a backhanded compliment, but as we saw game 6 once he gets the puck with a chance to bury the free cheese he's almost impossible to stop.

 

[francis246]

Actually no. It was at worst a neutral term, and it was not intended as an insult.

Ok

 

[Gary Nylund]

If you're a coach and could use an EN goal to put the game away there are few players that will fight harder to get it than Willy.

Yes, that's a bit of a backhanded compliment, but as we saw game 6 once he gets the puck with a chance to bury the free cheese he's almost impossible to stop.

I don't see what you said as a backhanded compliment at all - nothing wrong with fighting hard to score, the more players like that, the better. The priority in that situation obviously though is to not allow a goal so bottom line is that the coach trusts Nylander in that regard, it's all good.

I've said many times throughout the year that I don't care too much about regular season stats. I base most of the players grades on playoff performance and based on their history, Nylander is the one player out of our "big 4" that we can count on to produce offence in the biggest games. So far this spring he's proving it again, I look forward to seeing what he can do (and of course the others as well) against Florida. GLG!!

 

[KAWAIlllI]

If you're a coach and could use an EN goal to put the game away there are few players that will fight harder to get it than Willy.

Yes, that's a bit of a backhanded compliment, but as we saw game 6 once he gets the puck with a chance to bury the free cheese he's almost impossible to stop.

.…didn’t he give up multiple EN goals this season to other players?

 

[Menzinger]

The whole thing was puzzling.

Not only did Treliving go public with it, in a very deliberate and calculated manner, but Marner didn't seem too pleased that it did get out ("I had a feeling something might get out?").

He followed that up 24 hours later with publicly coming out and defending Marner from a media circus that he deliberated created lol !?

Whatever way you look at it, one thing really appears certain - they weren't, at least at the deadline, particularly confident about getting a deal done.

I don't think it's particularly complicated

Management wanted an extension finalized by the tdl.

Player/agent refused

Frustrated management found a similarly impactful player who was willing to extend in Toronto in Rantanen and then went to Marner to waive.

Marner refused to waive for his reasons.

And now we remain in a continued state of uncertainty with Marner's future. In the meantime just need to cheer him and and the rest of the guys on in the playoffs and worry about it later.

Imo Tre defending the player publicly is because he wants a second chance at extending after the playoffs. But seems like the team isn't particularly happy with things. They wouldn't have asked for a waive to happen if everything was fine and dandy

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think it's particularly complicated

Management wanted an extension finalized by the tdl.

Player/agent refused

Frustrated management found a similarly impactful player who was willing to extend in Toronto in Rantanen and then went to Marner to waive.

Marner refused to waive for his reasons.

And now we remain in a continued state of uncertainty with Marner's future. In the meantime just need to cheer him and and the rest of the guys on in the playoffs and worry about it later.

Imo Tre defending the player publicly is because he wants a second chance at extending after the playoffs. But seems like the team isn't particularly happy with things. They wouldn't have asked for a waive to happen if everything was fine and dandy

IMO this is the most important part of you post:

And now we remain in a continued state of uncertainty with Marner's future. In the meantime just need to cheer him and and the rest of the guys on in the playoffs and worry about it later.

GLG!!

 

[Delete1]

I wonder how much LA would pay him? They desperately need a skill guy like Marner.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think it's particularly complicated

Management wanted an extension finalized by the tdl.

Player/agent refused

Frustrated management found a similarly impactful player who was willing to extend in Toronto in Rantanen and then went to Marner to waive.

Marner refused to waive for his reasons.

And now we remain in a continued state of uncertainty with Marner's future. In the meantime just need to cheer him and and the rest of the guys on in the playoffs and worry about it later.

Imo Tre defending the player publicly is because he wants a second chance at extending after the playoffs. But seems like the team isn't particularly happy with things. They wouldn't have asked for a waive to happen if everything was fine and dandy

I don’t believe they ‘found’ him, they were approached

 

[WestCoastLeafs]

So many plays like this last game, this idea he was all perimeter and adverse to contact is a fiction. He was hitting and engaging all game, don't be such knee jerk haters. It's 2025.

9:00 minute mark, update the stale narratives stalkers. He was second on team with 5 hits, hello in there.



Everyday is a new day.....

Laughton didn't score so it doesn't count.

Also, that's some solid 720p video SportsNet

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

I wonder how much LA would pay him? They desperately need a skill guy like Marner.

A number of teams desperately need a guy with that skill level. I don't think his open market value would be a reflection of his worth versus his comparables. Teams with no high end talent in their primes will have a special pay band for him that reflects their need most of all. Places like Colorado, Toronto, and Edmonton are at one end of the scale, and ten other teams desperate not to wait for a building block player are at the other. Same as when JT was out there. If Mitch goes to FA I wouldn't even make an effort. He's $13+ on the market based on pending cap growth and other options and the plus depends on how stupid just one owner or one frantic GM is. The Leafs are not a club that should be competing with the desperate herd. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The intention is also to deflect and distract, when he knows he's wrong. Everybody is so focused on him insulting people that they missed that his statement directly prior wasn't true.

"Marner with only one goal and 7 assists (all but two on the PP), while Nylander, with 20% less ES and PP ice time, has three times as many goals and only one fewer assists (more at ES)."

That was my "statement directly prior". Please tell my what part wasn't true.

 

[Antropovsky]

So many plays like this last game, this idea he was all perimeter and adverse to contact is a fiction. He was hitting and engaging all game, don't be such knee jerk haters. It's 2025.

9:00 minute mark, update the stale narratives stalkers. He was second on team with 5 hits, hello in there.



Everyday is a new day.....

9:00 mins mark, this is great.... I love it. I've said this many times, Marner isnt too small to play physical. Despite Marner only fans repeatedly saying hes not built for it.

The problem, as I've stated 100's of times, is Marner doesnt WANT to do it and he rarely does. Lets examine:

Vs Sens Marner had more hits in one game than the first 3 combined. Hmm contract year, pressure mounting and he turns it on? Hmm contract year?

Two postseasons before that? ALOT of 0's in hits.

What happens next year? Back to no physical Marner?

Other most physical game ? Two playoffs ago, the elimination game vs Florida. Hmm that was the offseason he could be traded. Interesting.

Boston last year? Nope... no physicality, not even the elimination games. Hmm he had his NMC and couldn't be moved.

Vs Sens

Vs Boston

Vs Tampa and Florida