Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[leafs in five]

Reilly would have 8 points playing point for Matthews, Nylander, Knies and Tavares on the PP.

Marner plays 5v5 with Knies and Matthews.

Nylander had 9 points with 34 year old Tavares and 3rd liners.

Nylander is scoring at a 42 goal pace since 20-21 playoffs.
Marner is scoring at a 15 goal pace since 20-21 playoffs.

Yeah that PP with Rielly was deadly in previous playoffs

 

[Antropovsky]

Yeah that PP with Rielly was deadly in previous playoffs

Waa it deadly in the playoffs with Marner in previous playoffs?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

 

[leafs in five]

Waa it deadly in the playoffs with Marner in previous playoffs?

No but it would have been if they had taken the player you don't like off of it, and the dman whose position he has since taken up would have had many gimme assists

 

[JL17]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

Without looking the guy seems to be near the top every year in short handed goals. Hes always been known as a great 2 way guy and got even better in Florida.

 

[ACC1224]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

Good player, has a knack for short handed goals

 

[francis246]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

Guy is a monster short handed, I don’t know his defensive metrics. But Reinhart has always been touted as a two-way guy since junior.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Winning the first round is not some big accomplishment. 50% of all playoffs teams managed to play in the 2nd round every year.

For a team like the Leafs, making it into the 2nd round should be automatic.

Playing against Panthers will show whether or not this current team is good enough to compete for the Cup. If they crashed out like last time, I just don’t see the appeal of bringing the band back together and hope a few depth signings will make the difference next year.

If they beat the Panthers or at the very least compete and make it a 7 game series. Then the conversation will be interesting.

Definitely, not a big accomplishment, but it is a small and necessary one to the ultimate goal.

 

[Gallagbi]

I was talking 5v5 not overall but the lesson remains the same. No need to try and spin things.

5v5 shifts:
Nylander
Ozone starts: 25
Dzone starts: 4

Marner:
Ozone starts: 22
Dzone starts: 19

Nylander is actually one of the more "sheltered" forwards in the playoffs when it comes to this but that is the wrong word to use and this all makes perfect sense doesnt it? You want Nylander out there in the ozone. He's not exactly an all world defensive player. Deployment certainly matters and is one of the most important things a coach can do. You really think Rielly and Tanev should switch zone usage? It doesnt matter right?

Rielly: 75.68% ozone start%
Tanev: 32.14 ozone start%

Do you really think it doesnt matter if we flipped these?

Jeez.

Using all situations actually makes Nylander look worse and I wouldnt use it to support my arguments and its a little strange you think it helps you at all.

All situations:
Nylander
Ozone starts: 38
Dzone starts: 4

Since Nylander doesnt PK, All situations balances out in Marners case and makes Nylander push up to 90+%. (and pushes Marner into 20+ shift territory)

It was weird seeing Willy on so late last night. Paid off, but was a bit of a surprise

 

[Stephen]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

Reinhart is smart and opportunistic. Everything about his game is 'boring' and not especially flashy but he's effective on the counter rush and will eat you up alive on mistakes. Is he better than Marner? He's had more success on playoff teams.

 

[Stephen]

Winning the first round is not some big accomplishment. 50% of all playoffs teams managed to play in the 2nd round every year.

For a team like the Leafs, making it into the 2nd round should be automatic.

Playing against Panthers will show whether or not this current team is good enough to compete for the Cup. If they crashed out like last time, I just don’t see the appeal of bringing the band back together and hope a few depth signings will make the difference next year.

If they beat the Panthers or at the very least compete and make it a 7 game series. Then the conversation will be interesting.

Colorado had to beat Detroit and Detroit had to beat Colorado to win a Stanley Cup back in the Sakic vs Yzerman heyday, so if you want to win and fancy yourself a champion, you have to beat the best to be the best.

Are the Leafs ready to do that? My belief has not been fortified by how the Ottawa series wrapped up. We didn't see hints of higher and higher gears being reached. So it really just depends on how it looks in Game 1 and take it from there.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Down a goal? Give me Nylander.

Up a goal? Give me Marner.

We have both. It makes no difference to me which one is better.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Selke finalists
Barkov 10 million
Reinhardt 8.6 million
Cirelli 6.1 million
there was plenty of talk throughout the year about selke Mitch, why didn’t he even become a finalist?

Because there are only 3 finalists and you already named them.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Is Reinhart better defensively than Marner?

He has been excellent this year.

 

[Confucius]

Empty net give me Nylander.. at least once we clear the zone playing down two..

At any other time, Marner.

Career Mitch Marner 221 goals 16 empty netters
Career William. 262 goals 12 empty netters

Marner does have the edge on empty netters

 

[Gabriel426]

Definitely, not a big accomplishment, but it is a small and necessary one to the ultimate goal.

No question about it. And I quite like the manners of the Leafs afterwards, as they are not thrill or happy that they accomplished something but rather just glad it is over and move on to the next stage.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner steps up with EIGHT (8) points in SIX (6) games and the Leafs advance to the second round.

This has to be an absolutely soul crushing win for the Marner haters.

Sorry about your luck.

Marner with only one goal and 7 assists (all but two on the PP), while Nylander, with 20% less ES and PP ice time, has three times as many goals and only one fewer assists (more at ES).

This has to be an absolutely soul crushing loss to the Marner boosters, who have no recourse but to use childish insults like calling people they disagree with 'haters'.

 

[fbuford]

Win or Lose to FLA, I would not re-sign Marner.

He is a luxury player, and one we can not afford.

He does not contribute to a winning team. He's a floater. He'll get his assists here and there, but, he does absolutely nothing on the leafs.

We can get someone to easily replace Marner. A playmaking winger; better than Domi, worse than Marner.

Downgrading from Marner, doesn't make us a much worse team. Marner is known to disappear in elimination games, when the pressure is on, Marner floats and floats till he can't float anymore. He is a perimeter player, he thinks that he's Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar, but, unfortunately for him, he's playing the wrong position.

I would rather have Phil Kessel than Mitch Marner, you know that Kessel is going to score some big goals. Marner's whole career is built upon perimeter playmaking, he refuses to go anywhere close to the net, and, that is not playoff hockey.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Anything under $14M for Marner will be a great deal.

Novice fans and casual observers won’t recognize the value in this contract - - just as they weren’t able to recognize the value in signing Nylander to an $11.5M deal.

Now, in hindsight, the Nylander contract looks like a fantastic value. As will the Marner contract.

Anything over $11M for Marner will be an overpayment.

To a knowledgeable observer both Nylander's contracts looked very good at the time, and turned out to be excellent. Marner was overpaid on his previous contract - hopefully a better GM won't make the same mistake.

 

[Gabriel426]

Colorado had to beat Detroit and Detroit had to beat Colorado to win a Stanley Cup back in the Sakic vs Yzerman heyday, so if you want to win and fancy yourself a champion, you have to beat the best to be the best.

Are the Leafs ready to do that? My belief has not been fortified by how the Ottawa series wrapped up. We didn't see hints of higher and higher gears being reached. So it really just depends on how it looks in Game 1 and take it from there.

Agree. The boys have not done it. Heck, they had not even played more than two series in playoffs.

If they managed to beat Panthers and be in the ECF, then and only then would I think they are different this year.

 

[Gabriel426]

Guy is a monster short handed, I don’t know his defensive metrics. But Reinhart has always been touted as a two-way guy since junior.

Also the highest IQ if I remembered correctly.

 

[fbuford]

To put it in perspective,
Marner has 2 goals in his last 13 playoff games.
And, 7 goals in his last 43 playoff games.

He provides faux defensive play, perimeter playmaking --- he is completely useless in an elimination game where teams will shore up the gaps, and, clog the lanes.

Sign or trade for a higher end version of Domi, and, I assure you our assets will be spent better.

 

[Kurtz]

To put it in perspective,
Marner has 2 goals in his last 13 playoff games.
And, 7 goals in his last 43 playoff games.

He provides faux defensive play, perimeter playmaking --- he is completely useless in an elimination game where teams will shore up the gaps, and, clog the lanes.

Sign or trade for a higher end version of Domi, and, I assure you our assets will be spent better.

Faux how?

 

[DarkKnight]

Marner with only one goal and 7 assists (all but two on the PP), while Nylander, with 20% less ES and PP ice time, has three times as many goals and only one fewer assists (more at ES).

This has to be an absolutely soul crushing loss to the Marner boosters, who have no recourse but to use childish insults like calling people they disagree with 'haters'.

Ya it's soul crushing that one of our players is doing well. Im ecstatic he potted two last game, loved his jam! That comment just says more about your inherent bias than who you've directed it towards. See if you can figure that out. You're welcome.

 

[DarkKnight]

So many plays like this last game, this idea he was all perimeter and adverse to contact is a fiction. He was hitting and engaging all game, don't be such knee jerk haters. It's 2025.

9:00 minute mark, update the stale narratives stalkers. He was second on team with 5 hits, hello in there.



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