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Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

Legion34 said:
Overall Marner played well in the series.

His line took over. He was physical. Made 2 great passes that could have been goals, no glaring errors.

Didn’t seem afraid of the moment. Good for him. Hopefully the 4 nations was a turning point.
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He was pretty good, he still needs to be more assertive and shoot more often himself. He passes up chances where he'd be better off just shooting.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Serious question - what is your motivation for polluting Marner threads with this garbage?
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Serious question - do you actually read the thread? I'm not the one polluting it, you seem a little defensive about my comment though for the most part I wouldn't include you in this category. You have moments, but I don't think you actually hate seeing him play well unlike the majority of the people who hang out here.

ETA: This is the second time you have called someone an idiot or whatever this is. Easy big fella, no need for personal insults because someone else has an opinion.
 
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BraveCanadian said:
Marner - and the rest of them - will need to be better against Florida if they want to win.. but some of the negative takes in this thread are just wild. M&M tend to play fairly hard minutes in all situations and their value goes beyond just the box score. (unlike a certain other player who I am sure is the naysayers fav)
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They're based completely in reality as much as you like to remain in blissful ignorance.

All of the takes about Marner shrinking later in the series were confirmed yet again. 6 points in the first 3 games of the series - 2 points in the last 3 an not generating much at all.

Believe it or not some of us wanna take this account before handing him a blank cheque.
 
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No questions btw.
 
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tuckerintensity said:
Serious question - do you actually read the thread? I'm not the one polluting it, you seem a little defensive about my comment though for the most part I wouldn't include you in this category. You have moments, but I don't think you actually hate seeing him play well unlike the majority of the people who hang out here.

ETA: This is the second time you have called someone an idiot or whatever this is. Easy big fella, no need for personal insults because someone else has an opinion.
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Do you actually read the thread? If you did, then you should know better than to ask if I do. Below are your words, yes that's garbage/pollution. Maybe you care more about some player(s) then you care about the team and that's fine if you do, but assuming others feel the same way as you is unintelligent.

lots of people around here would rather see him and us fail than us win

You read the thread and are implying that I don't. Go ahead then, show me these posts which lead you to conclude that lots of people around here would rather see him and us fail than us win.

Take your time, I'll wait. Plenty of time to kill before the next game.
 
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Legion34 said:
Overall Marner played well in the series.

His line took over. He was physical. Made 2 great passes that could have been goals, no glaring errors.

Didn’t seem afraid of the moment. Good for him. Hopefully the 4 nations was a turning point.
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Yeah he played well. Stat watchers will scurry to find some fault but no doubt the team was happy with his effort.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
He’s playing himself into a new contract with the Leafs despite Amadio shutting them down all series. If he’s competitive in round 2 they’ll like offer him a new contract.
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New contract is a given, if it wasn't before the season it certainly is now.
Only question is whether he signs it or walks.
 
IPS said:
Criticizing Marner = you want to see the team fails is logic only for the very rudimentary minds to use and stick to. Leave it for them.
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The eternal optimist inside me believes that people can be persuaded by logic to see things differently. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
 
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Legion34 said:
13.6% of the cap is about what a Marner level player should have got in the previous era. Let’s see how that works with the cap jump.
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13.6% is a tad under $13m based on the projected cap of 95.5m. For what he brings, I like him closer to $12.5m. If $100m to play for your hometown team that you say you want to play for after making $10m more than Rantanen on your last deal, then I move on.

Paying a few players most of the money does not work. They will likely prove it again in the next two weeks.
 
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ToneDog said:
13.6% is a tad under $13m based on the projected cap of 95.5m. For what he brings, I like him closer to $12.5m. If $100m to play for your hometown team that you say you want to play for after making $10m more than Rantanen on your last deal, then I move on.

Paying a few players most of the money does not work. They will likely prove it again in the next two weeks.
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I don’t disagree I would want less. For sure. I’m just saying the previous market for top 10 scorers in in high tax markets was around 14%.

Willy got 13% Marner has been better overall….

If the leafs offer 104 million a team would have to give him 14.8 to match.

I don’t see how true contenders could. I thought LA but they just lost 4 straight first rounds to Edmonton and kopitar is like 38.

Not sure if he stays now. If you sign him you don’t have to keep him forever. Losing him for nothing would be brutal.
 
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13.6% is a tad under $13m based on the projected cap of 95.5m. For what he brings, I like him closer to $12.5m. If $100m to play for your hometown team that you say you want to play for after making $10m more than Rantanen on your last deal, then I move on.

Paying a few players most of the money does not work. They will likely prove it again in the next two weeks.
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Is $500,000 grand going to make a difference?

That’s what I don’t get about this whole debate. 12.5 vs 13. If you like him at 12.5, him making 13 shouldn’t be an issue for you period. That’s not even the difference in a league minimum player. It just gets frustrating reading some of these arguments because it’s the most insignificant difference in cap that has people disliking a player.

His last contract it was 9.5 vs 10.9, those savings wouldn’t have made us keep anyone significant. It definitely wasn’t going to be enough to keep Hyman with us.

13, 12.5, 12.93 all the same to me. The money doesn’t even matter at this point. Is Marner someone the organization believes can help us win a cup, if yes, sign him. If no, let him walk. Pretty simple to me! Also as fans we need to stop caring about other players contracts, it’s beating a dead horse. Rantanen isn’t a leaf, his contract isn’t relevant to our situation. The leafs operate on their own terms whether we like it or not and Rantanen chose to take 12 instead of going to open market where he would have gotten above that number or staying with Carolina who also offered above that number. That’s his decision.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Do you actually read the thread? If you did, then you should know better than to ask if I do. Below are your words, yes that's garbage/pollution. Maybe you care more about some player(s) then you care about the team and that's fine if you do, but assuming others feel the same way as you is unintelligent.

lots of people around here would rather see him and us fail than us win

You read the thread and are implying that I don't. Go ahead then, show me these posts which lead you to conclude that lots of people around here would rather see him and us fail than us win.

Take your time, I'll wait. Plenty of time to kill before the next game.
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Antro literally admitted to this during the first couple games. So there are in fact people who feel this way and it’s not a secret. To say that there aren’t people who feel this way is a bit naive.

There are people who would absolutely HATE that we win with Marner, because their argument of not being able to win with him or a player like him turns into a pile of Kaka. What would they post about now? Additionally it would mean 7-8 more years of him on the team which a lot of people don’t want. So yes I definitely believe the are people who hope we lose to Florida so the leafs don’t resign Mitch. It’s quite sad. You might not feel that way personally, but I guarantee you there are people who absolutely feel that way. Some are closeted, some have been open about it in this thread and the GDT’s.
 
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sunstersun said:
13mil player, 9 year vet, we're talking about positive signs, PK and throwing his body.

Does anyone speak about Kuch, Ovi, Crosby, Malkin, Pasta, McDavid, Drai, Mack like that? No you expect game breaking offence from those guys and they consistently deliver.

Rattanen once again playoff superstar par none.

I'll give Marner credit, normally his playoff performances make me want to throw up.
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I don’t even know why your including Kucherov, his stats in game deciding games is just as bad if not worse than Marner’s. He is getting destroyed right now for his performances in series clinching games.
 
francis246 said:
Is $500,000 grand going to make a difference?

That’s what I don’t get about this whole debate. 12.5 vs 13. If you like him at 12.5, him making 13 shouldn’t be an issue for you period. That’s not even the difference in a league minimum player. It just gets frustrating reading some of these arguments because it’s the most insignificant difference in cap that has people disliking a player.

His last contract it was 9.5 vs 10.9, those savings wouldn’t have made us keep anyone significant. It definitely wasn’t going to be enough to keep Hyman with us.

13, 12.5, 12.93 all the same to me. The money doesn’t even matter at this point. Is Marner someone the organization believes can help us win a cup, if yes, sign him. If no, let him walk. Pretty simple to me! Also as fans we need to stop caring about other players contracts, it’s beating a dead horse. Rantanen isn’t a leaf, his contract isn’t relevant to our situation. The leafs operate on their own terms whether we like it or not and Rantanen chose to take 12 instead of going to open market where he would have gotten above that number or staying with Carolina who also offered above that number. That’s his decision.
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If he was a difference maker in the playoffs like a McD, Drai, Mac,, then $500K is not a deal breaker but he has proven he is not. Why does he deserve to be overpaid again when the team has not made it past 5 wins in a single playoffs and he has virtually disappeared in games 5-7?

Anyway it is all moot unless they beat the Panthers. No way they bring him back if they do not beat the Panthers IMO.
 
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