Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[shaner8989]

He cannot be brought back.

Hes awesome and hes uber talented, yes. He also is an absolute fraud when it matters. His stats and performances when games matter are disgraceful

Cannot justify paying him top dollar as he is not worthy of it.

 

[arso40]

Fair, I just don’t think having a defenseman back there would have changed the result, horrible back check by Nylander. He literally stopped skating and Tbf that was one of the worst give aways I’ve seen in the playoffs. I don’t understand why he didn’t put it up the boards. It was a direct pass up the middle to Ottawa by Matthews.

Yes blame everyone but miss marner who didn’t take the pass option and leave the shooter to the goalie I agree with the other two at fault but why don’t you agree marner played it wrong ?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Ironic that a guy who simply must have Dougie's number in his salary looks nothing like Dougie on the ice when it matters.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

There’s never consistency or equal blame it’s always one or the other. Marner up top on the PP was so indecisive last night. That one in the second where he and Nylander both refused to shoot for about 40 seconds and play catch with the puck drove me nuts

Btw, dunno why, but this place feels very toxic. Dunno why some posters behave like they are or say something and then ignore to answer/trolling etc.

 

[thewave]

Ironic that a guy who simply must have Dougie's number in his salary looks nothing like Dougie on the ice when it matters.

Dougie was a warrior. Marner is an accountant on ice

 

[Ports]

Marner has his moments and is a very good two way winger but zero goals and five assists in 14 close out games is a real problem and Matthews is just as guilty of disappearing, Nylander slightly less so. They can’t continue to pay these guys like they’re top five players in the league when they don’t show up when it really counts. This thing where fans take one players side vs another is just dumb. They all share that trait where they can’t or won’t raise their level of play in the biggest moments. So it’s like picking a State Room on the titanic. It might be superbly furnished with a great view, but you’re still going down with the ship.

 

[thusk]

Personally i'm more concerning about Matthews than Marner on last game... At least Marner tried to do and create something and was engage physically
#2 in hit
#3 in hit taken
draw a penalty with his work

 

[Mess]

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Maple Leafs head coach Craig Berube had some direct criticism for Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner following a drubbing from the Senators in Game 5.​

Ahead of Game 5, Auston Matthews was called out by a pair of popular Sportsnet hockey analysts for his lack of production, having just 1 goal in the first four games of the series.

Unfortunately, things didn't get better for Matthews or his line in Game 5 as he, Mitch Marner and Matthew Knies combined for a minus-12 rating. The lack of offensive production the past few games (aside from Knies' goal in Game 4) garnered some criticism from Berube following their Game 5 drubbing.

"Not enough speed through the neutral zone with that line to create in the offensive zone off of that. They were just a little bit late on things and didn't create enough stoppages in the offensive zone. It was one-and-done too much for me with that line in the offensive zone."

Leafs Coach Craig Berube Publicly Criticizes Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner After Game 5

Maple Leafs head coach Craig Berube had some direct criticism for Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner following a drubbing from the Senators in Game 5.

www.mapleleafsdaily.com

 

[Antropovsky]

The writers of the article definitely cherry picked to push the narrative they wanted, but they probably didn't bother to look into the shot specifics enough to know how misleading they were being. But you do know, and you keep using it.

I don't care if Marner utilizes higher areas of the offensive zone as part of his offense generation. That's not a bad thing, and he spends plenty of time deep when the situation calls for it. I do care when people use microstats they know are misleading, and when they cut out part of a player quote to pretend a compliment is a criticism.

That microstat was used across the board for all 4 core players and Marners stats were the absolute worst in all categories. Those microstats were a comparison of the core 4s slot shots and shot distance to the net, relative to their own shots in the season.

Do you care to explain, how this is cherry picked? And why this cherry picked stat looked worse for Marner and not the other core 4?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm told you can't let talent like that walk, therefore Marner has a blank check no matter what happens. He's already got a bunch of points for his agent to brag about, hope he settles for less than 13M.

 

[Antropovsky]

Personally i'm more concerning about Matthews than Marner on last game... At least Marner tried to do and create something and was engage physically
#2 in hit
#3 in hit taken
draw a penalty with his work

Coming from the poster who spent all seasons supporting Marner and hating Matthews?

Marner was trash... light on his skates, tried to sell two penalties... one was the pick on the Chabot goal... and the other falling like he got shot skating through Ullmarks crease.

There is a reason Refs put there whistles away with Marner.

Also... this is the Marner way, whenever he gets desperate, instead of buckling down, he starts diving all over the place trying to draw a penalty and then complains to the ref when he doesn't get one.

Nylander told him to quit crying because of it AND"This is the fuc$%$ playoffs".

Vs Bruins last postseason, Hrudey also did a intermission segment on Marner diving and complaining to the ref.

 

[francis246]

I'm told you can't let talent like that walk, therefore Marner has a blank check no matter what happens. He's already got a bunch of points for his agent to brag about, hope he settles for less than 13M.

If Marner goes to market I don’t think he’s getting 13/14 million. I think he’s gonna take 12.5 and go to a good team. My dark horse is still EDM, I think he’s gonna go play with McDavid. EDM was willing and prepared to extend Rantanen, if he was willing to waive there.

I said it before he probably has a Toronto number and it’s a shitty undefendable thing. But that’s the world man.

 

[notbias]

Can someone explain why our first line can't outplay anyone Ottawa throws out?

It is very simple.

You are wrong...

 

[mclaren55]

It is very simple.

You are wrong...

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Yea, I still don't think that is a great look. 4 goals in 5 games even strength for a line with two 10+M guys on it doesn't seem great, even worse when you realize Knies is the best guy on that line (from a $/Production standpoint).

 

[Antropovsky]

Look out 13 million dollars elite skills are shining through these playoffs. Scraping the bottom in all categories.

 

[notbias]

Yea, I still don't think that is a great look. 4 goals in 5 games even strength for a line with two 10+M guys on it doesn't seem great, even worse when you realize Knies is the best guy on that line (from a $/Production standpoint).

They are #1 in the league for goals for by a line...

How is Knies the best player on that line? Because he is big and pushes guys?

 

[mclaren55]

They are #1 in the league for goals for by a line...

How is Knies the best player on that line? Because he is big and pushes guys?

Did you not see what I wrote in parenthesis? Knies has 3 of their 5 goals, he is on an ELC, hence $/Production.

Going by your metric (#1 for goals for by a line) Knies is still the best guy on that line this playoffs. It's a bonus that he uses his body to make space, yes.

 

[notbias]

Did you not see what I wrote in parenthesis? Knies has 3 of their 5 goals, he is on an ELC, hence $/Production.

Going by your metric (#1 for goals for by a line) Knies is still the best guy on that line this playoffs. It's a bonus that he uses his body to make space, yes.

Knies (PPG) - Matthews, Marner
Knies (PPG) - Nylander, Marner
Knies - Marner, Matthews

Clearly, Knies is the best because he scored three goals all by himself, and at even strength.

 

[Antropovsky]

It is very simple.

You are wrong...

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Lol... the poster said why can't our #1 line "outplay".

1) #1 line has played the most vs Armadio, Greig and Pinto. Matthews line having just 4 goals vs 1 against is a big win for the Senators.

2) The first line has a 38% corsi these playoffs lol.

3) The first line has been destroyed in the scoring chance department. 26 scoring chances for, 36 scoring chances against.

4) They're just even in high danger chances. 13 high danger scoring chances for and 13 high danger scoring chances against

So yes... our #1 line with two of the leagues highest paid players and another likely to get 8-9 million next season being outplayed this badly bybthenoppositions checking line is very very bad.

Usually the goal for matchups lines vs a teams #1 line is to limit their offensive chances... not limit their chances AND outchance them AND dominate them in O zone.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

It is very simple.

You are wrong...

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Come on man

 

[thusk]

Coming from the poster who spent all seasons supporting Marner and hating Matthews?

Marner was trash... light on his skates, tried to sell two penalties... one was the pick on the Chabot goal... and the other falling like he got shot skating through Ullmarks crease.

There is a reason Refs put there whistles away with Marner.

Also... this is the Marner way, whenever he gets desperate, instead of buckling down, he starts diving all over the place trying to draw a penalty and then complains to the ref when he doesn't get one.

Nylander told him to quit crying because of it AND"This is the fuc$%$ playoffs".

Vs Bruins last postseason, Hrudey also did a intermission segment on Marner diving and complaining to the ref.

The only penalty he waited for a call was ulmark interference and it was clearly a penalty who would be call a 99% of time in regular season and who's maybe disallow a scoring chance for the leafs. But its playoff so rules changing...

2- He didn't played like he did vs Boston. he was engaged physically, so what he did last year change nothing of how he played yesterday.

Nobody in the entire team had more hit+ hit taken in last game... The thing you constantly blaming him over the past by not going to concact, he did it more than anyone...

 

[notbias]

Lol... the poster said why can't our #1 line "outplay".

1) #1 line has played the most vs Armadio, Greig and Pinto. Matthews line having just 4 goals vs 1 against is a big win for the Senators.

And dominated.

2) The first line has a 38% corsi these playoffs lol.

And what about this?

3) Theyve been dominated in the scoring chance department. 26 scoring chances for, 36 scoring chances against.

4) Theynare even in high danger chances. 13 high danger scoring chances for and 13 high danger scoring chances against

So yes... our #1 line with two of the leagues highest paid players and another likely to get 8-9 million next season being outplayed this badly is very very bad.

What are you looking at?

I am shocked you still post.

 

[mclaren55]

Knies (PPG) - Matthews, Marner
Knies (PPG) - Nylander, Marner
Knies - Marner, Matthews

Clearly, Knies is the best because he scored three goals all by himself, and at even strength.

Never said he scored them by himself. You were using "Goals for by a line" as the metric, he has scored 60% of their goals. I also said he was the best given a metric of $/P, which is true. Want me to do the math for you? Not sure why you keep omitting the context I've given, twice.

 

[notbias]

Never said he scored them by himself. You were using "Goals for by a line" as the metric, he has scored 60% of their goals. I also said he was the best given a metric of $/P, which is true. Want me to do the math for you? Not sure why you keep omitting the context I've given, twice.

No, he hasn't.... he has scored 1/4 of the goals, the other two from him came on the PP, even if you want to use just goals, which is dumb.

I don't even know what you're going on about, it's stupid.

The line as a whole has scored four goals for while they are on the ice, Knies has one of those four.

 

[mclaren55]

No, he hasn't.... he has scored 1/4 of the goals, the other two from him came on the PP, even if you want to use just goals, which is dumb.

I don't even know what you're going on about, it's stupid.

The line as a whole has scored four goals for, Knies has one of those four.

So who scored the one phantom goal 5v5? As that line only has 3, not 4. So he has a 1/3rd of the 5v5 goals then.