Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[GoonieFace]

Well peewee teaches you to take the pass defending a 2 on 1...

That said my guess is he expected Nylander to give support and take that guy

No one was catching Cozens on that play, terrible pass by Matthews. Can’t really expect Marner to do much there either.

 

[IPS]

My guess is like yours, he probably expected the back checker to disrupt the play since he was already directly in front of the puck carrier after the give away, I think if he tries to move over and take pass all he does is end up screening Stolarz anyways at that point. He got put in a pretty shit position.

It's a forward trapped in a defensemen's job in a heated moment too. It's one of the major downsides to running a 5 forward PP.

 

[ToneDog]

The best part about marner leaving will be his insanely loyal worshippers shutting up about marner

To quote Gary, you hate to see it.

 

[ToneDog]

Someone needs to drill something into his head:

STOP LOOKING FOR MATTHEWS!!!

Marner has 6 shots in 5 games. I want him to have 6 shots in the next two games (if it goes like that).

He needs to understand setting matthews up is no longer the goal, it won’t provide goals and this year it isn’t even providing dangerous “almost” chances. He needs to start shooting, and looking for knies down low

Id suggest going him with Tavares and Robertson if he continues to want to playmake for others. Give him two goal scorers and he has to make that work, otherwise he just isn’t a good enough playoff playmaker then and needs to pivot his game away from this.

Or they could split them up.

 

[GoonieFace]

It’s a good thing they took advantage of an undisciplined Ottawa in Game 1 and racked up some much needed points

 

[Gary Nylund]

Last nights goal against was not on Marner. What do you want him to do there? Zero back check from any of the other forwards and that give away was Galchenyuk level from Matthews.

Even if there was a defenceman back there that’s a 2 on 1 goal all day with no one coming back to back check. I don’t think you can hang the goal on Marner or Stolarz.

I didn't say it was "on him". He looked like a forward trying to play D, that's all and it's not his fault he's put in that position. Maybe read my post again, looks like you missed the point.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well peewee teaches you to take the pass defending a 2 on 1...

That said my guess is he expected Nylander to give support and take that guy

This.

 

[Leafs4Life77]

When he’s on top of his game, at even-strength I feel like the puck is always finding him and he has the confidence to hold it, make a man or two miss and make a great play. That "Marner Magic" that has you on the edge of your seat every time he gets it.

Every playoffs, I feel like he stops skating the puck in transition and is immediately looking to shovel it to the next guy as soon as he gets it. There's also this tendency he has to play very high and near the boards at the blueline and it feels like he is often just in strange positions on the ice.

I'm curious if anyone knows of any data that would verify what I believe i'm observing above. I'm not sure there's a clip to be found of him at even-strength last night holding the puck for more than 1 second.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's a forward trapped in a defensemen's job in a heated moment too. It's one of the major downsides to running a 5 forward PP.

I expressed my concerns about the 5 forward PP and was blasted by the Marnerites. I only wish my concerns would have been proved to be valid a couple of weeks ago instead of at this crucial moment, oh well.

Pretty please, just win tomorrow. GLG!!

 

[IPS]

I expressed my concerns about the 5 forward PP and was blasted by the Marnerites. I only wish my concerns would have been proved to be valid a couple of weeks ago instead of at this crucial moment, oh well.

Pretty please, just win tomorrow. GLG!!

Assuming you didn't just blindly agree that he could be plugged into playing D seemlessly cause he's so generationally amazing defensively?

yeah doesn't shock me.

 

[kevsh]

The answer is hypnosis.

Before the game have a doctor put Mitch under to convince him that he's playing for Team Canada in a gold medal game and that's McDavid taking the draws, not Auston.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I didn't miss represent anything Mcdavid literally said Marner "Kind of plays up high in the zone". It's not about what Mcdavid ment by his statement. It's the fact he literally confirms Marner plays far from the net "Marner plays high in the zone."

@Dekes For Days is arguing the writers of the article "go to the bet Mitch" cherry picked his stats and misrepresented the stats. Mcdavid even said Marner is far from the net lol! If your high in the zone, your shots naturally are gonna be far from the net!

The writers of the article definitely cherry picked to push the narrative they wanted, but they probably didn't bother to look into the shot specifics enough to know how misleading they were being. But you do know, and you keep using it.

I don't care if Marner utilizes higher areas of the offensive zone as part of his offense generation. That's not a bad thing, and he spends plenty of time deep when the situation calls for it. I do care when people use microstats they know are misleading, and when they cut out part of a player quote to pretend a compliment is a criticism.

 

[JL17]

He tried last night .. bottom line when games pick up to that level of straight line speed he cant keep up .. that line was so badly tilted it was ridiculous .. Sens just dominated da ice everytime Matty and Mitch were on da ice .. they are TOO slow .. and neither has ever been able too produce their entire lives of playing comptetive hockey in a lead role .. their histories won't change .. we need Stolly to throw a shut out, our D to dominate and a goal or two from 4th line to win another game .. like I told you guys core 4 aren't gonna get it done

I didn’t even notice him in the first 40 mins.

 

[JL17]

Sorry but if in order to unlock Marner's "clutch" ability it requires playing with McDavid then I'm not so convinced of it. The McDavid halo effect can also make Hyman score 50 goals and all kinds of clutch goals in the postseason.

It’s one thing to be the go to guy but when you have 5 6 7 other guys to insulate you and a 3 or 4 are the best players in the world your job becomes much easier. But when you have 91 34 88 and a bad repeating history your in tough to break that up.

 

[leafs in five]

Sens just dominated da ice everytime Matty and Mitch were on da ice ..

nope

 

[Fogelhund]

Marners Playoff Career by game since the start of round 1 vs Boston in 2018

• ⁠Game 1s: 5 G and 7 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 2s: 4 G and 8 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 3s: 0 G and 11 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 4s: 2 G and 11 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 5s: 0 G and 5 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 6s: 1 G and 1 A in 7 games

• ⁠Game 7s: 0 G and 2 A in 5 games

The rest of this series, is pretty much career defining, and future defining.

These Leafs, and Marner are the opposite of clutch performers.

Very good player early in series, over a PPG... 1.2PPG... that's pretty elite.
Games 5-7, 9 points in 22 games. That's just not good enough.

 

[Gary Nylund]

nope

Yeah that's not what I saw either. I get people are upset and disappointed but ...

No matter what, I try to stay objective. That said, if we don't win this series it's gonna be tough.

 

[francis246]

It's a forward trapped in a defensemen's job in a heated moment too. It's one of the major downsides to running a 5 forward PP.

Fair, I just don’t think having a defenseman back there would have changed the result, horrible back check by Nylander. He literally stopped skating and Tbf that was one of the worst give aways I’ve seen in the playoffs. I don’t understand why he didn’t put it up the boards. It was a direct pass up the middle to Ottawa by Matthews.

 

[leafs in five]

Yeah that's not what I saw either. I get people are upset and disappointed but ...

No matter what, I try to stay objective. That said, if we don't win this series it's gonna be tough.

you will have earned the right to be as negative about these guys as you want to be. I still think they can win it though I wish they'd tried to get weird in game 5 with shaking up the lines or maybe starting Woll. it feels too high stakes for that now.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Can someone explain why our first line can't outplay anyone Ottawa throws out?

 

[Gary Nylund]

you will have earned the right to be as negative about these guys as you want to be. I still think they can win it though I wish they'd tried to get weird in game 5 with shaking up the lines or maybe starting Woll. it feels too high stakes for that now.

I don't want to be negative, I want these guys to beat Ottawa, then show they can compete with Florida and give me some thrills. All these years with this core have been so underwhelming, I tiny smidgen of hope is all I have left at this point.

I was thinking about Woll yesterday, starting him last night might have been the play but now I think you're right - the stakes are too high.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Well peewee teaches you to take the pass defending a 2 on 1...

That said my guess is he expected Nylander to give support and take that guy

I think that’s what happened because generally Marner does a good job on these numerous 2-on-1s the Leafs PP gives up.

Nylander was slow to get out of the blocks when the turnover was obviously happening and then he switched to coasting mode and gave up on the play part way back.

Just Willy! lol love him and how cool he always is.. right?? Right guys?

 

[Mess]

Marners Playoff Career by game since the start of round 1 vs Boston in 2018

• ⁠Game 1s: 5 G and 7 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 2s: 4 G and 8 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 3s: 0 G and 11 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 4s: 2 G and 11 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 5s: 0 G and 5 A in 10 games

• ⁠Game 6s: 1 G and 1 A in 7 games

• ⁠Game 7s: 0 G and 2 A in 5 games

The rest of this series, is pretty much career defining, and future defining.

These Leafs, and Marner are the opposite of clutch performers.

Very good player early in series, over a PPG... 1.2PPG... that's pretty elite.
Games 5-7, 9 points in 22 games. That's just not good enough.

Yesterday they pointed out during the Leafs game that neither Marner, nor Matthews nor Nylander have never scored a PP goal in games 5-7 in their entire 9 years now playoff careers.

There is simply no Killer instinct among this core group.

 

[Tak7]

Can someone explain why our first line can't outplay anyone Ottawa throws out?

Because they are going up against future Hall of Famers, obviously.
/s

 

[GoonieFace]

I think that’s what happened because generally Marner does a good job on these numerous 2-on-1s the Leafs PP gives up.

Nylander was so to get out of the blocks when the turnover was obviously happening and then he switched to coasting mode and gave up on the play part way back.

Just Willy! lol love him and how cool he always is.. right?? Right guys?

Sure thing