Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[horner]

Time to movr on

 

[Aashir]

Well he continued where he left off from previous versions of game 5

 

[sunstersun]

2 shots today.

So we're 1 shot above a shot a game average.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You hate to see it.

 

[IPS]

You hate to see it.

Yeah I actually do. I would have gladly taken a 5 goal performance from Marner with his biggest supporters in their most obnoxious form doing what they do best if it meant a win tonight but instead we're staring down the barrel of another potential game 7.

 

[sunstersun]

Yeah I actually do. I would have gladly taken a 5 goal performance from Marner with his biggest supporters in their most obnoxious form doing what they do best if it meant a win tonight but instead we're staring down the barrel of another potential game 7.

Bro as far as I'm concerned. Game 6 is the do or die game.

We show up game 7 I'm pretty sure the fans and players heads are going to combust from pressure.

 

[Action Jackson]

Hasn't smiled in the media ever since it was made public Tre tried trading him.

Wonder why

Enjoy your last 2 games mitch

 

[Stephen]

I dunno, I don't blame Marner that much for this meltdown. We saw in the 4 Nations if everything is going, this guy can make a small area play to a teammate streaking to the net and that can be a difference maker. Or he can find a guy who gets open from coverage and that'll make a difference. Who was going to do that on his line tonight if it wasn't going to be Knies?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah I actually do. I would have gladly taken a 5 goal performance from Marner with his biggest supporters in their most obnoxious form doing what they do best if it meant a win tonight but instead we're staring down the barrel of another potential game 7.

Of course. All I want is for the team to win. I don't care who scores the goals, and I most certainly don't care what some of the idiots who pollute the Marner threads with garbage post, or don't post. Just win! GLG!!

Edit - I actually thought the team played pretty well tonight. As for Marner, it wasn't a great game and he made some cringe worthy plays but overall, he wasn't that bad.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Bro as far as I'm concerned. Game 6 is the do or die game.

We show up game 7 I'm pretty sure the fans and players heads are going to combust from pressure.

Yeah pretty much this. I've been pretty unexcited about the series so far but now, thigs are getting really interesting all of sudden. Not in a good way but yeah, interesting.

 

[Mr_Fun]

He wasn't good enough tonight, no argument there from me. But he was far from the worst guy on the ice.

 

[Aashir]

He wasn't good enough tonight, no argument there from me. But he was far from the worst guy on the ice.

That is reserved for his running mate 60 goal scoring 1C who turned into a pumpkin

 

[thewave]

This is the Danger of giving a second tier goal scorer 13m on display right now. If Matthews doesn't score and neither does Mitch, it's easy to understand the pressure on the rest.

 

[saffronleaf]

Can't wait for this loser to walk this offseason! Such an ugly player in every way games 5-7 in any given series.

Hideous!

 

[saffronleaf]

I dunno, I don't blame Marner that much for this meltdown. We saw in the 4 Nations if everything is going, this guy can make a small area play to a teammate streaking to the net and that can be a difference maker. Or he can find a guy who gets open from coverage and that'll make a difference. Who was going to do that on his line tonight if it wasn't going to be Knies?

Lucky for marner the 4 nations final was one game rather than a 7 game series. If it was 7 games magic mitch would have pulled a houdini in games 5-7

 

[ashs]

Marners people don't like criticism, well screw that. It's been 9 damn Years. Get them all out.

 

[wingman75]

I dunno, I don't blame Marner that much for this meltdown. We saw in the 4 Nations if everything is going, this guy can make a small area play to a teammate streaking to the net and that can be a difference maker. Or he can find a guy who gets open from coverage and that'll make a difference. Who was going to do that on his line tonight if it wasn't going to be Knies?

Easy to do when he is NOT the guy. He was playing third line in that tournament for a large portion. He had no pressure, just needed to play to his strengths. Sure he got moved up, but he was still just a guy looking to make a play, not a leader.

I guess unbeknownst to him, it is the exact same situation here, but he doesn't see or feel it that way and can't play freely at all.

 

[Stephen]

Easy to do when he is NOT the guy. He was playing third line in that tournament for a large portion. He had no pressure, just needed to play to his strengths. Sure he got moved up, but he was still just a guy looking to make a play, not a leader.

I guess unbeknownst to him, it is the exact same situation here, but he doesn't see or feel it that way and can't play freely at all.

All I’m saying is he can have success in a tight game by making good connective plays to other good players making good decisions going to the hard areas ready to exploit defensive breakdowns. But he can’t make those little plays to Auston and have any effect if a big dud 6’3” captain is making bonehead play after bonehead play and otherwise playing like garbage.

Alternatively yes he could go end to end a la Datsyuk or go hard to the net like Brayden Point. But I’m just talking within the realm of what’s likely to happen.

 

[wingman75]

All I’m saying is he can have success in a tight game by making good connective plays to other good players making good decisions going to the hard areas ready to exploit defensive breakdowns. But he can’t make those little plays to Auston and have any effect if a big dud 6’3” captain is making bonehead play after bonehead play and otherwise playing like garbage.

Alternatively yes he could go end to end a la Datsyuk or go hard to the net like Brayden Point. But I’m just talking within the realm of what’s likely to happen.

Okay, I understand. Yes, Matthews was generally useless and a deadend.

I have always felt having Marner and Matthews together as the default is a waste. The lack of adjustment by the coach is a little concerning. Like move Mitch with JT for a shift or two.

That all said, Mitch needs to read the play and if Matthews is NOT the play, then don't force it. That is one thing I hate about their game. Look for someone else, Willy does it ALL the time.

 

[BraveCanadian]

All I’m saying is he can have success in a tight game by making good connective plays to other good players making good decisions going to the hard areas ready to exploit defensive breakdowns. But he can’t make those little plays to Auston and have any effect if a big dud 6’3” captain is making bonehead play after bonehead play and otherwise playing like garbage.

Alternatively yes he could go end to end a la Datsyuk or go hard to the net like Brayden Point. But I’m just talking within the realm of what’s likely to happen.

Yeah Marner didn't bury the couple of chances he had of his own.. but as a guy who leans heavily towards playmaking, his effectiveness is going to swing up and down quite a bit based on how his teammates are playing.

Matthew$ just doesn't score in the playoffs. Marner hasn't yet stopped trying to feed him. Marner should just shoot himself or concentrate on getting the puck to the net front where Knies will be.

 

[wingman75]

Yeah Marner didn't bury the couple of chances he had of his own.. but as a guy who leans heavily towards playmaking, his effectiveness is going to swing up and down quite a bit based on how his teammates are playing.

Matthew$ just doesn't score in the playoffs. Marner hasn't yet stopped trying to feed him. Marner should just shoot himself or concentrate on getting the puck to the net front where Knies will be.

Good commentary. I think the narrow vision is a detriment in these situations. Look for someone else, Knies, a D, anyone!

 

[TonsofPuppies]

I dunno, I don't blame Marner that much for this meltdown. We saw in the 4 Nations if everything is going, this guy can make a small area play to a teammate streaking to the net and that can be a difference maker. Or he can find a guy who gets open from coverage and that'll make a difference. Who was going to do that on his line tonight if it wasn't going to be Knies?

Dude was a -4 tonight. He stinks just as much as his bestie. He was also really bad at 4 Nations. He had a good final game and he did score that OT winner, but if you remember watching those games, he was dreadful for the majority of the time he was on the ice. I sincerely hope he walks, but the Leafs will resign him for $13M+, because it's what the Leafs do best - make the worst decision possible.

 

[IPS]

Of course. All I want is for the team to win. I don't care who scores the goals, and I most certainly don't care what some of the idiots who pollute the Marner threads with garbage post, or don't post. Just win! GLG!!

Edit - I actually thought the team played pretty well tonight. As for Marner, it wasn't a great game and he made some cringe worthy plays but overall, he wasn't that bad.

Wasn't the worst on his line (that was 34) but I certainly didn't think he was good by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[sunstersun]

If Marner needs Matthews to perform well, then he shouldn't be paid like a guy who can solo effort it.

As much criticism as Nylander deserves, I ain't see Marner score 4 goals in a series with Kerfoot as his centre.

 

[Stephen]

Dude was a -4 tonight. He stinks just as much as his bestie. He was also really bad at 4 Nations. He had a good final game and he did score that OT winner, but if you remember watching those games, he was dreadful for the majority of the time he was on the ice. I sincerely hope he walks, but the Leafs will resign him for $13M+, because it's what the Leafs do best - make the worst decision possible.

Yeah but what’s important to remember is he’s more of the sidekick who can help stitch together a game breaking play when the chips are down and he’s being pushed out physically. The abject failure of Auston Matthews means he’s not able to put it on a tee for someone higher up to take control. Like Knies has made an impact from the opposite wing at times. But he’s a kid. We have a problem at the 1C spot. Marner’s a problem too and he’s a UFA but I think more blame needs to go to the captain.