Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[JT AM da real deal]

This is best playoff i have seen from Mitch .. keep it up please

 

[Tak7]

Does Knies tie it up without Marners impact? No one thinks he had a dominant night, the criticism as always goes over the top.
As a line, Matthews could bring a little more. Marners 7 points in 4 games is pretty impactful.

He had a bad night.

Its okay to acknowledge it. I promise you wont combust. Knies made his goal all by himself.

If Marner (and Matthews, to be fair- not just singling one out) had proper impact, the series would be over.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Yeah, shouldn’t the best goal scorer Olof his generation be enough though? Maybe it’s not the other guys

If the “best goal scorer of his generation” could ever score in the playoffs.. sure

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Mitch has been excellent overall. Wish he'd shoot the puck more

 

[DarkKnight]

Opinions are opinions, maybe I just watched it completely wrong and have no idea what I'm watching. I saw a top line fumble a lot of pucks, a lot of passes no nowhere, and f all for sustained Ozone pressure. Team went down 2-0 early and was chasing.

I did miss the first few minutes still in Europe. Really liked the second and third. I do find with the pace a lot of fumbling, but seems both teams.

 

[sunstersun]

Factually, Marner is asking to be a 13 mil players, Matthews is a 13.25 player and Knies will be a 8 mil + player.

Surely, Knies shouldn't be the best player on the line.

 

[arso40]

Who made a failed pinch on the Sens SH goal?

Mitch Marner...

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Yet Willy gets the blame and not one person mentioned marner who is the elite selki nominee and the last line of defence that lets the player chip the pucc past him for a short handed goal f****** rediculous

 

[sunstersun]

This is best playoff i have seen from Mitch .. keep it up please

Nah, I'd still take his series against Boston in 2018.

 

[Tak7]

I don't understand how it's even remotely a controversial take that Marner had a poor game last night.

It shouldn't be controversial at all.

A byproduct of Marner being made the scapegoat the last several years, is that now we see the opposite - many going out of their way excessively praise performances that arent good enough.

 

[arso40]

It shouldn't be controversial at all.

A byproduct of Marner being made the scapegoat the last several years, is that now we see the opposite - many going out of their way excessively praise performances that arent good enough.

Why though in a game where nylander was the most “impactful” all I saw was complaints and inna game where marners looking like playoff Mitch Hes getting praised for things Hes not doing

 

[GlitchMarner]

Jesus Christ... I know corsi is kind of outdated now... but these numbers are pretty eye-popping...

These stats seem to corroborate the observation that the top line is spending a hell of a lot of time in its own end and not much in the opposing team's. At least they're defending decently in the defensive zone and not conceding a lot of goals.

 

[sunstersun]

Jesus Christ... I know corsi is kind of outdated now... but these numbers are pretty eye-popping...

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These stats seem to corroborate the observation that the top line is spending a hell of a lot of time in its own end and not much in the opposing team's. At least they're defending decently in the defensive zone and not conceding a lot of goals.

Where would the first line be without Knies heroics?

Isn't it unrealistic to expect a first line to actually have 3 first line players? And if we do have 3 first line players, why aren't they producing a hell of a lot more outside of the PP?

 

[GlitchMarner]

Where would the first line be without Knies heroics?

Isn't it unrealistic to expect a first line to actually have 3 first line players? And if we do have 3 first line players, why aren't they producing a hell of a lot more outside of the PP?

I get they're not playing Keefe hockey, but I don't think you can keep getting outshot as badly as they have been and have sustained success.

They need to transition the puck better and create more in the offensive zone.

 

[arso40]

Jesus Christ... I know corsi is kind of outdated now... but these numbers are pretty eye-popping...

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These stats seem to corroborate the observation that the top line is spending a hell of a lot of time in its own end and not much in the opposing team's. At least they're defending decently in the defensive zone and not conceding a lot of goals.

Where’s the top half I don’t see Willy on here

 

[arso40]

Where would the first line be without Knies heroics?

Isn't it unrealistic to expect a first line to actually have 3 first line players? And if we do have 3 first line players, why aren't they producing a hell of a lot more outside of the PP?

Theyre playing great defence let’s focus on the second line with holmberg on it and a banged up Willy clearly

 

[Leaf Fans]

Now that is looking at it positively. Problem I see is the 3 amigos are pacing for 21 goals each even though their PP has been lethal.

BTW, Kempe is pacing for 246 points.

Marner has as many points as McDavid.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Factually, Marner is asking to be a 13 mil players, Matthews is a 13.25 player and Knies will be a 8 mil + player.

Surely, Knies shouldn't be the best player on the line.

That is not fact. It is speculation.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Where’s the top half I don’t see Willy on here

No player on the team really has good corsi or corsi close numbers (I would be interested in seeing how the expected goals stats compare to corsi stats), but Nylander is in the upper-half.

 

[arso40]

No player on the team really has good corsi or corsi close numbers (I would be interested in seeing how the expected goals stats compare to corsi stats), but Nylander is in the upper-half.

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Domi is up there is that a good thing ? He hasn’t looked good at all

 

[thusk]

Where would the first line be without Knies heroics?

Isn't it unrealistic to expect a first line to actually have 3 first line players? And if we do have 3 first line players, why aren't they producing a hell of a lot more outside of the PP?

in playoff this season

% of production in pp of some NHL player with leafs core
Matthews 80%
M. Tkachuk 75%
Barkov 67 %
mackinnon 60%
Tavares 60%
marner 57%
kempe ( actual pts peader 56%)
Nylander 50%

Who's care where you producing, only thing people remember is if you producing and winning and nobody care about anything else

 

[Zybalto]

Jesus Christ... I know corsi is kind of outdated now... but these numbers are pretty eye-popping...

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These stats seem to corroborate the observation that the top line is spending a hell of a lot of time in its own end and not much in the opposing team's. At least they're defending decently in the defensive zone and not conceding a lot of goals.

By "not conceding a lot of goals", you do mean have conceded 0 goals right?

As far as outcomes go, they have been maybe the best top line in the playoffs. No need to dig into corsi to try to hate on them. I do notice that there has been a great discovery of certain analytics among certain people lately that had previously attacked them as made up.

5v5 goal differential % for Leafs players:

Marner: 100.00
Matthews: 100.00
Knies: 100.00
Holmberg: 100.00
Tanev: 80.75
OEL: 79.81
McCabe: 76.16
Tavares: 75.89
Nylander: 75.89
Benoit: 66.41
Rielly: 57.69
Carlo: 50.89
Robertson: 49.36
Jarnkrok: 48.19
Lorentz: 48.19
Laughton: 48.19
Domi: 40.13
McCann: 34.32
Patches: 0.00

Top lines need to keep it up and bottom lines need to be shuffled to fix the issues.

 

[thewave]

That wasn’t a pinch.

He was moving forward. Matthews did not fall back. He saw Nylander get tripped and then get thrown down. He made a bad choice and Matthews did a dumb.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Jesus Christ... I know corsi is kind of outdated now... but these numbers are pretty eye-popping...

The first line is playing the hard minutes.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The first line is playing the hard minutes.

I think the idea is that playing against them is supposed to be even harder in most cases, no?

 

[Antropovsky]

The first line is playing the hard minutes.

And Tkatchuk and Stutzel aren't? They are at about 70% corsi, while Marner, Matthews are 37%.