Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[Antropovsky]

Dont want to get into the weeds too much on this but I've posted it before:

Over the last 3 playoffs 5v5 (2022-2024):
Marner with Matthews:
Goals for/60: 3.53
Goals Against/60: 2.06

Marner without Matthews:
Goals for/60: 2.39
Goals Against/60: 1.18

Matthews without Marner:
Goals for/60: 1.66
Goals Against/60: 2.06

So far this playoffs:

Marner with Matthews:
Goals for/60: 6.08
Goals Against/60: 0.00

Again, I'd only suggest you wait until after we win the cup before we get onto Marner contract talk. Lets see what he does.

Marner and Matthews played just 14 mins together 5v5 last years playoffs of Marners 100. Since he also played 5 mins with Nylander, we know prob at least 5 was as a stacked line with Tavares.

He played approx only 10 mins without Matthews the two playoffs before. Out of a total of about 100 and 195 mins.

So yea...this data isnt very useable because the sample size is incredibly small. The stats im citing of Matthews without Marner are approx 50% of a full season over 2 years.

 

[Donnie740]

Not only does Marner kill penalties he also draws a penalty.

He does everything!

 

[BraveCanadian]

Get this guy someone who can finish his plays please.

Oh and shoot the damn puck, Mitch.

 

[IronHookem]

Get this guy someone who can finish his plays please.

Oh and shoot the damn puck, Mitch.

He has Knies and one of the greatest goal-scorers of this generation, what more help could we possibly provide him?

He should shoot the puck more though, it is kind of sad to see how he always looks to feed it to Matthews. He played some of his best hockey when 34 was Injured.

 

[ACC1224]

Another excellent outing tonight.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Likely the best Leaf forward through 4 games.

He and Tanev have been the best players overall for me, followed by Knies.

 

[Tak7]

Another excellent outing tonight.

Not sure we watched the same game - that was both 16 and 34's worst games of the series so far.

The pair of them offered basically nothing to the game until overtime. They got trapped in their own zone repeatedly, their breakouts were a mess, there was no forecheck and no sustained pressure at all.

Its concerning to me that the player who had the most impact on that line at ES, was actually the 22 year old and not the elite experienced guys

 

[Antropovsky]

Not sure we watched the same game - that was both 16 and 34's worst games of the series so far.

The pair of them offered basically nothing to the game until overtime. They got trapped in their own zone repeatedly, their breakouts were a mess, there was no forecheck and no sustained pressure at all.

Its concerning to me that the player who had the most impact on that line at ES, was actually the 22 year old and not the elite experienced guys

Who made a failed pinch on the Sens SH goal?

Mitch Marner...

 

[Tak7]

Who made a failed pinch on the Sens SH goal?

Mitch Marner...

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Im not overly concerned about that play - he's been at the top of the PP setup for a huge chunk of the season and done very well at it. This jsnt something he normally gets wrong.

Im more concerned about how they pulled a relatively familiar disappearing act in a big game, again, tonight. Those old demons are going to get churned up really fast the next 48 hours

 

[Mr_Fun]

Im not overly concerned about that play - he's been at the top of the PP setup for a huge chunk of the season and done very well at it. This jsnt something he normally gets wrong.

Im more concerned about how they pulled a relatively familiar disappearing act in a big game, again, tonight. Those old demons are going to get churned up really fast the next 48 hours

It's what you can expect to happen from time to time when you put a player who's not a natural defenseman on the point.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Pacing at 143 points in the four games so far. They're 3 wins and 1 loss. And yet somehow people aren't happy with his performance so far? GTFOOH! lol

If they somehow blow this, absolutely come at him with pitchforks, tar, and feather. But until that happens, he's having a great PO's so far. I couldn't realistically ask for much more from him.

 

[DarkKnight]

Not sure we watched the same game - that was both 16 and 34's worst games of the series so far.

The pair of them offered basically nothing to the game until overtime. They got trapped in their own zone repeatedly, their breakouts were a mess, there was no forecheck and no sustained pressure at all.

Its concerning to me that the player who had the most impact on that line at ES, was actually the 22 year old and not the elite experienced guys

Yep total disaster for Marner. It's okay to not find scapegoats, we lost, but actually that was one of our best games. Be better.

 

[Aashir]

It felt like a typical “good” playoff game for the leafs:

- Outplay the other team severly
- get bad goaltending
- lack finish to the utmost degree
- special teams kill us

I thought and still think Marner might need to adapt his game a bit as Matthews doesn’t wanna/can’t shoot a hockey puck all that well. He’s gonna have to start being a bit more trigger happy

He had spurts he was good, spurts he was not good, and spurts where he was ok. I think I’ve liked game 1 and 3 of his better than last game tbh.

We probably aren’t even discussing any of this if stolarz was his normal self, hopefully we can close it out on Tuesday and move on from sens talk

 

[KAWAIlllI]

Get this guy someone who can finish his plays please.

Oh and shoot the damn puck, Mitch.

Yeah, shouldn’t the best goal scorer Olof his generation be enough though? Maybe it’s not the other guys

 

[ACC1224]

Not sure we watched the same game - that was both 16 and 34's worst games of the series so far.

The pair of them offered basically nothing to the game until overtime. They got trapped in their own zone repeatedly, their breakouts were a mess, there was no forecheck and no sustained pressure at all.

Its concerning to me that the player who had the most impact on that line at ES, was actually the 22 year old and not the elite experienced guys

Yeah Knies has been excellent as well, it’s been fun watching his progression.
Yes, as a line you’d like a little more out of them 5 on 5, I was referring to Marners play individually.

 

[Nineteen67]

Who made a failed pinch on the Sens SH goal?

Mitch Marner...

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That wasn’t a pinch.

 

[Nineteen67]

I agree, Kucherov is a good measuring stick for Marner. Kucherov being an elite pass first winger.

Kucherov still generating 8 shots/60 in 2022 all the way to the finals. Kutcherov had over 6.75 shots/60 every playoff before 2022.

Marner is at 1.33 shots/60 vs a lousy Sens team. He had only 2.53 shots per/60 vs Boston last year. And 4.8/60 the playoffs before that.

Also not discussing how Kucherov is a much more gritty/combative player.

We will see vs a good opponent. 2 shots vs Senators, I'm wondering if he'd generate any shots vs Florida.

This isn't even factoring that Kucherov was coming off 3 consecutive final appearances, 2 cups and major injury.

I'm not saying Marner sucks... but 12 million is major overpayment just like 11 was before.

Also ticks me off that Ferris mentioned last contract talk that he wanted to be compensated for Lou taking away rookie bonuses on his ELC.

Well time for Marner to compensate for not earning his 11 million he got for the last 5 years. That's how it works according to Ferris.

I am thoroughly enjoying these playoffs. Marner has been Marner (not any diff than previous Marners), but Tree has built a better team (by draining the last bit of assets we have). Looking to the future... I wouldn't let the teams success get in the way that Marner isn't worth 12+ million on a short contract. His 5v5 stats have regressed 5v5 for 3 years now. And Knies is a substantial upgrade on any other linemate Matthews/Marner have ever had. He is still one of the leagues slowest players and has the weakest shots in the league...and he's nearing the end of his prime (regressed for 3 seasons already).

Honest question, if Tavares leaves, do we load line 1 with 36 million because Marner needs them? and let Nylander play with the scraps?

BTW Matthews stats show he's more productive without Marner...

If Kucherov even attempted to play defence every now and then he’d be a machine.

 

[ToneDog]

Games 1-86 are over. Game 87 on Tuesday. Disappeared in another closeout game. Go figure.

 

[ToneDog]

Pacing at 143 points in the four games so far. They're 3 wins and 1 loss. And yet somehow people aren't happy with his performance so far? GTFOOH! lol

If they somehow blow this, absolutely come at him with pitchforks, tar, and feather. But until that happens, he's having a great PO's so far. I couldn't realistically ask for much more from him.

Now that is looking at it positively. Problem I see is the 3 amigos are pacing for 21 goals each even though their PP has been lethal.

BTW, Kempe is pacing for 246 points.

 

[Tak7]

Yeah Knies has been excellent as well, it’s been fun watching his progression.
Yes, as a line you’d like a little more out of them 5 on 5, I was referring to Marners play individually.

"A little more"?

Through 4 games that line has failed to really lean on the Sens and dominate a handful of consecutive shifts. At no point have they made Green second guess the Pinto matchup - he's happy with it because the results are pretty positive. Its actually Marner's line that is routinely getting hemmed in.

Individually, Marner had a tough night. We arent seeing the same thing. He had no positive impact until OT

 

[IPS]

"A little more"?

Through 4 games that line has failed to really lean on the Sens and dominate a handful of consecutive shifts. At no point have they made Green second guess the Pinto matchup - he's happy with it because the results are pretty positive. Its actually Marner's line that is routinely getting hemmed in.

Individually, Marner had a tough night. We arent seeing the same thing. He had no positive impact until OT

I don't understand how it's even remotely a controversial take that Marner had a poor game last night.

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't understand how it's even remotely a controversial take that Marner had a poor game last night.

I thought that line played well last night. Plenty of chances, one of the better team games too. I mean we gave up 4 shots in two periods and Marner was played 28 minutes. "Poor" seems pretty controversial to me. He was good, steady, the PP didn't click. I don't see why we're singling him out last night, apart from the third line, we looked great imo.

 

[ACC1224]

"A little more"?

Through 4 games that line has failed to really lean on the Sens and dominate a handful of consecutive shifts. At no point have they made Green second guess the Pinto matchup - he's happy with it because the results are pretty positive. Its actually Marner's line that is routinely getting hemmed in.

Individually, Marner had a tough night. We arent seeing the same thing. He had no positive impact until OT

Does Knies tie it up without Marners impact? No one thinks he had a dominant night, the criticism as always goes over the top.
As a line, Matthews could bring a little more. Marners 7 points in 4 games is pretty impactful.

 

[IPS]

I thought that line played well last night. Plenty of chances, one of the better team games too. I mean we gave up 4 shots in two periods and Marner was played 28 minutes. "Poor" seems pretty controversial to me. He was good, steady, the PP didn't click. I don't see why we're singling him out last night, apart from the third line, we looked great imo.

Opinions are opinions, maybe I just watched it completely wrong and have no idea what I'm watching. I saw a top line fumble a lot of pucks, a lot of passes no nowhere, and f all for sustained Ozone pressure. Team went down 2-0 early and was chasing.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Opinions are opinions, maybe I just watched it completely wrong and have no idea what I'm watching. I saw a top line fumble a lot of pucks, a lot of passes no nowhere, and f all for sustained Ozone pressure. Team went down 2-0 early and was chasing.

I saw it as well. The Knies goal came from about 40-50 seconds of chasing/defending. But every line sort of had that feel, actually. Not nearly as sharp as the prior games.

But Ottawa was desperate, so it's not surprising.