Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Part 3758391849

[francis246]

@Gary Nylund

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder where Marner and Matthews will slide in?

 

[1specter]

Honestly I think Mitch is gone regardless. They could win the cup and I don’t think it will matter. I think maybe it’s gotten to the point where he’s probably tired of being so polarizing. But that’s just my hunch, not based on anything factual. Hopefully I’m wrong.

The last few years he's really taken an adversarial approach with media and the chatter around town, often framing it in a 'you vs us' kind of way and going out of his way to reiterate how he doesn't care what people say (which IMO, someone who HAS cared a lot about criticism would often say that). I do think it's worn him down over time and he's reached a point where he might just want a fresh start somewhere that is more calm and quiet and he's not public enemy #1.

That being said, his wife is from the area and she is also pregnant and they're expecting their first child, she may not be down to move away especially if she wants their family to help or be heavily involved.

 

[ToneDog]

O'Dog only 40%, wow that's interesting (and surprising). Did he say that's because he thinks the Leafs won't have playoff success or because he thinks Marner will want to leave?

I'm more optimistic about the team than I've been all season. I think they have a very good chance of winning at least 2 rounds and if they do that, the chances of Marner not being a Leaf next season are near zero. Win only one round, and IMO there's some small chance he leaves, still more likely he stays though. Lose in the 1st round, then all bets are off.

If I had to pick a number, I'd say less than 100% but more than 90%. JMHO.

He did not but I guess if he thinks it is 40% he comes back, he is implying they will not have playoff success and the Leafs will not run it back.

 

[Donnie740]

I've been saying all along that I very much doubt Marner would want to leave. Try paying attention and you'll be less likely to make a fool of yourself.

You made the ridiculous declaration that Marner could “walk” this summer in post #329.

I then had to educate and enlighten you as to why that’s not happening.

 

[IPS]

I hope you're right.

Good riddance to Mitch Marner. Read our lips: We don't want you here anymore.

Don't take it personal Mitch it's just business.

There's thirty one other teams that will pay what you're asking. You are a very good player. Hell you just got a hundred points ffs.

It's your right to demand as much money as the market can afford to pay you.

Whether that's the Toronto Maple Leafs remains yet to be seen. Personally I hope they don't bring him back even on a hometown discount. He's extremely polarizing with some of the worst supporters of any athlete in any sport possibly ever.

I can't wait 'til he's gone.

How the hell can you not like this guy.

 

[Antropovsky]

Didn’t Eichel have 6 goals the entire playoff run with Vegas or something like that?

So if we have a deep run and Marner has similar stats 6 goals & 20-25 assists, are you going to hold the same standard? Or you still gonna complain about his lack of goal scoring? Cause you’re not holding that same weight for Eichel.

I could care less how many goals Marner scores. I care about the advanced stats. If Marners stats show he's barely a threat as a shooter and is playing perimeter hockey....thats what I dont like.

I'm also saying Eichel has the follinowing attributes that Marner doesnt:

1) hard shot
2) elite speed
3) size and strength
4) less skilled linemates
5) Plays center

Just to name a few.

Don't believe me look at NHL Edge image. Marner is slow, has a week shot and of course is tiny and soft.

As Cooper said...Marner in terms of his skills, he isnt as skilled as his peers. Flip Eichel and Marner and id be surprised if Marner hit 75 points.

Marner:


Eichel:

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs can't wait on marner.

If July 1st. rolls in and he is unsigned they have to spend that money immediately or be left without.

Additionally, if Leafs have $18mm available after signing Knies, all the other free agents will know Leafs are spending that money.

We know the Leafs will max out the Cap with or without marner.

 

[ToneDog]

Leafs can't wait on marner.

If July 1st. rolls in and he is unsigned they have to spend that money immediately or be left without.

Additionally, if Leafs have $18mm available after signing Knies, all the other free agents will know Leafs are spending that money.

We know the Leafs will max out the Cap with or without marner.

Playoff success and they will sign all 3 before July 1, otherwise sign Knies and go shopping July 1.

 

[Sypher04]

There are no more excuses for this core. Supposedly all are heathy and they have the best D and G. It is on them if they do not get to the ECF this year if they cannot score more than 2 goals per game when it counts.

While I agree with the overall post, we do not know the bolded to be true. In fact, I would argue with Matthews it’s still clear his shot is hampered. With that said, he’s in the lineup and he’s been finding other ways to contribute - that needs to continue. Actually we will still need him to raise his game for the playoffs like everyone else will have to as well.

 

[ToneDog]

While I agree with the overall post, we do not know the bolded to be true.

I used Supposedly because nobody has said anything but there has been much speculation that 34 has not been 100% all season. Matthews is definitely healthier than both Tkachuk brothers.

 

[Sypher04]

I used Supposedly because nobody has said anything but there has been much speculation that 34 has not been 100% all season. Matthews is definitely healthier than both Tkachuk brothers.

Matthew for sure. Brady is less clear.

 

[Gary Nylund]

@Gary Nylund

TY sir, I appreciate it. I have to say I'm a bit surprised by O'Dog's negative attitude. I mean if they flame out in the playoffs that's one thing, but he doesn't seem to be accounting for the possibility that the team does well.

They're looking so good right now, not sure why he feels the way he does but I like their chances of going deep myself.

You made the ridiculous declaration that Marner could “walk” this summer in post #329.

Of course he could walk, the Leafs can't force him to stay if he doesn't want to. What's ridiculous is you not only not understanding something so obvious, but calling it ridiculous. What's the matter with you?

I then had to educate and enlighten you as to why that’s not happening.

I don't think it's happening either, but nobody other than Marner can know that for sure at this point in time. So congrats, you just made yet another ridiculous statement - your opinions are not facts.

Get a grip dude.

 

[bax]

I wonder where Marner and Matthews will slide in?

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Marner will be at least two feet away from everyone else so he can avoid any contact.

 

[francis246]

I could care less how many goals Marner scores. I care about the advanced stats. If Marners stats show he's barely a threat as a shooter and is playing perimeter hockey....thats what I dont like.

I'm also saying Eichel has the follinowing attributes that Marner doesnt:

1) hard shot
2) elite speed
3) size and strength
4) less skilled linemates
5) Plays center

Just to name a few.

Don't believe me look at NHL Edge image. Marner is slow, has a week shot and of course is tiny and soft.

As Cooper said...Marner in terms of his skills, he isnt as skilled as his peers. Flip Eichel and Marner and id be surprised if Marner hit 75 points.

Marner:
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Eichel:
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Thank you for your confirmation of just outright being a hater! Hopefully it’s clear for everyone and like many have said, it’s okay to not like players but you have a clear bias against the guy for no reason.

And it confirms what I’ve posted before, Marner playing well and the Leafs winning would be worst case scenario for you. You’d literally crash out. I do not consider you a fan IMO

 

[Donnie740]

Additionally, if Leafs have $18mm available after signing Knies, all the other free agents will know Leafs are spending that money.

We know the Leafs will max out the Cap with or without marner.

Exactly.

So you have to ask yourself, would the Leafs be better served by giving $13M to Marner or spreading that money out to give Neal Pionk $7M and Mike Granlund $6M?

 

[Tak7]

It might be his final season with the Leafs or he might re-signed.

He's not resigning - the behavior of both sides around the deadline/Rantanen situation was extremely indicative of where both parties are at.

I've said since last summer that I expect him to leave. He's as good as gone now.

 

[ULF_55]

Exactly.

So you have to ask yourself, would the Leafs be better served by giving $13M to Marner or spreading that money out to give Neal Pionk $7M and Mike Granlund $6M?

My guess Leafs' first choice is marner, otherwise:

et cetera

 

[Gary Nylund]

My guess Leafs' first choice is marner, otherwise:


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et cetera

If I'm the GM, I wait until the playoffs are over before deciding who my choices are. If Marner plays the way he played during the regular season for a change, then he's my #1 choice. If not then I'm looking elsewhere and until McDavid is extended, keeping cap flexibility for next summer would be my top priority.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He's not resigning - the behavior of both sides around the deadline/Rantanen situation was extremely indicative of where both parties are at.

I've said since last summer that I expect him to leave. He's as good as gone now.

You could look at it that way. Or you could take Marner refusing to leave as a sign that he wants to stay.

There are so many reasons for him to stay, unless the Leafs flame out spectacularly in the playoffs, I expect him to be here for at least a few more years.

 

[arso40]

playing alonside Matthews in regular season for sure that can help but in playoff when the 3 other guybin was worst not really.

Playing with guy like pietrangelo, theodore and cie who was much better to defend ( sonplaying less in your own zone) and to help the team in transition ( helping in the offensive side). that's also help the foward in frontb especially when ice became closer in playoff

Exemple how many time did we saw Marner needing to come back in d zone
to carry the puck because the D was unable to do their job in playoff??? Just too much. Especially for a team with a off the rush system where they was creating majority of their scoring chance off the rush.

Tj " i can't play physical game " Brodie
Justin "pylon" Holl
Tymothy " useless" liljegren

so yeah overal Matthews was better thsn any player playing with Eichel but the 3 other guy on the ice was worst and it isn't even close.

It's basically the 1st time ever leafs really having a contender D, let's see what will happen and for sure that will help the guy in front

Wasn’t rielly the amazing usually the dman on the ice with them though?

 

[ACC1224]

Marner will be at least two feet away from everyone else so he can avoid any contact.

he's a hugger, always hugging someone. I could picture his arms wrapped around Bower

 

[Hellcat]

Genuinely enjoyed seeing him hit 100 points last night. His celebration with his boys in the crowd was really great.

Finally reaching the milestone to bookend his final season as a Leaf, felt perfect. He has a complicated relationship with the fanbase, but I think many will miss watching him - myself included

Not sure fanbase is an accurate description, a small number of isolated people might be more prescriptive.

 

[arso40]

BTW, I noticed there was a segment in the intermission where the panel was asked what they thought the odds are of Marner staying in Toronto. I didn't see the whole thing but I think one guy said 40%, one guy said I think it was 70% or 80% but I missed what O'Dog said. Did you by any chance catch what O'Dog said? Or if anyone else can fill me in I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance!

He said 40% too

 

[1specter]

Not sure fanbase is an accurate description, a small number of isolated people might be more prescriptive.

Nah, it's the fanbase. Check the comments on most socials or just have a casual conversation with an average Leafs fan at work or in a social setting.