Danault was already a good player before that series, and Danault was actually pretty bad in that series. He wasn't the one shutting down anything. It was probably his worst series that year.
Though yes, defensive play is valuable.
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Though yes, defensive play is valuable.
Well hitting that link is a waste of time. Their source is Steve Dangle’s guess and they think Toronto is the capital of Canada.
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It fired up the froth for a few pages though so it was a success in that regard.
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I'm not sure anything is required to fire up the tribes here.
Coming up with his compensation is pure logic.
Player % * expected cap.
Same way you hear people discuss about Tavares taking a "hometown" discount, when there are so many examples around the league of what to expect.
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True, but doesn't take anything other than someone mentioning re-signing any of the top players. Get the same reaction in a Tavares thread.
Additionally, probably a lot of people back at work ... and I use the term work loosely.
Matthews and Marner shut their opposition down, and outplayed and outscored them.
Their offense was limited by Price and his posts; not by the skater allowing a bunch of shots and chances.
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Just goes to show how sick and tired the fans are of this rerun but instead of seeing the core held accountable, management rewards them.
But hey, it is good to see that we have "fans" who want to see Marner overpaid more than they want to see the team win in the playoffs.
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This is my take on it as well. It's a bit strange isn't it.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
When you do not hate losing more than you love winning, you are never winning a SC. These clowns have a chance to be remembered as the biggest losers in Leafs history if they do not do something about it soon. So far 1 and 8 in the playoffs.
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Reminds me of this joke.
So 4 of the top 10 highest paid players in NHL history all find themselves on a team together and do nothing.
That's the joke.
12 may well be what he is worth, but if he gets 110 points I’d off er the William deal. If he cools down nets his 99 points, 11 is the max I’d give him.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
You are dreaming. He's not taking the Nylander deal and that is $12+m with a 92+m cap. It is another one of the many qualities that makes Mitch and his camp so likeable. Once he signs, I'm in for at least one home and one away #16 jerseys.
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He is a vey good player.
If they ever win anything it might all be worth it.
Honestly, their best players are okay, the team is the problem.
Their management has been brutally inept for years.
Winning a lottery, and being bad enough to draft in the top 5 is the only thing that has saved them from being Buffalo.
ToneDog
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The team is the problem because they have had to throw players overboard because the 3 suck up most of the money. If you can't do it, take less so they can being in players to help you do it.
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Well, yes Tavares, Matthews and marner did take up $33mm of the Cap, but I don't blame the players for asking.
Tavares was UFA so that's market rate.
But Knies, Robertson and Holmberg are their drafted forwards (outside their picks for being bottom feeders). Rielly on defence. From those players you have 1 top 6 forward and 1 top 2 defender.
Again, that isn't a marner issue, that's a management issue.
marner is fine, and his upcoming $13mm is fine for the next contract as fans like to be entertained, even in the regular season. That's the Toronto payrate, which might be inflated, but no one held a gun to managements' heads.
The issue is never the individual, even JT as you mentioned was UFA. The key is always collectively they all choked in playoffs.
Some can put up their stats in playoffs and say, look, they are not as bad....but the truth is that they constantly find ways to lose in elimination games. After each series loss, people like to say Keefe sucks, or Dubas sucks, or supporting players sucks, or goalies suck, or dmen sucks but the fact that our top guys esp the THREE that makes over 10mil a year(the elites of NHL) just can't deliver.
Beside Euro Football, I really can't recall any leagues having THREE of the top 7 paid players in the league playing on the same team failed to win as much as AM, MM and JT. It is not like all three are not in their prime and just hanging onto past glories either.
Toronto payrate or whatever new buzzword the medias or MGT comes up with are just words that they use to hide the incompetence of the Leafs top players. AM, MM and JT are not Lowry, DD and Jonas where they were good or even great NBA players but not Lebron, Curry and KD of the League. AM when he is healthy had been compare to McD, some will even say MM is in the same tier as Kuch, Tkachuk, Rantanen, and Pastra as the best wingers in the League. JT is supposed to be the best 2C in the league as there is no other team that had a 10mil plus 2C. Yet, collectively they constantly fall flat in playoffs.
Thats why I really don't understand why any MGT will continue to be on them and hope they will eventually do it. Winning the first round is nothing, but somehow, it is the Stanley Cup for the MGT, team, players and a lot of people on this forum.
Let me put it this way, if the Leafs roster for the past 8 years been on any other teams in the NHL, NONE of you will be saying the team should keep the band together bc they are close and will do it. ALL of you will be laughing your ass off and trolling that team for being incompetence, foolish and dumb for keep believing in a whole bunch of underperforming overpaid chokers.
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thusk
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Guy Boucher already talked about it in a Broadcast before joining leafs coaching staff... The fact than Marner is more dangerous when he's not playing with Matthews. Together marner seaching too much matthews to pass hin the puck so become sometime too passive and Matthews waiting too much marner pass and become too passive too.
Can marner do it in playoff without matthews? actually his best NHL serie ever was without matthews alongside Thomas Plekanec and Patrick Marleau and outplayed the best NHL line ( both side of the game) at this moment.
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Coach Mike Babcock was smart enough to not play Marner and Matthews together, but every other coach can't seem to resist.
thusk
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Babcock's cup came from his 2 best forwards playing together. Babcock is an idiot who says a lot of stupid things.
I don’t recall Babcock ever winning a round here in Toronto. Maybe if he put them together or loaded a line for once we probably win one of those game 7’s against Boston. But no, Babcock is extremely stubborn. Rather parade a one legged Zach Hyman out there than Marner or Nylander.
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Both things can be true. Matthews and Marner should drive their own lines AND Babcock is an idiot.
