Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[DarkKnight]

There is no bidding war if you trade and sign Ranta. If he goes UFA, then agreed, there will be a bidding war but which teams can outbid the Leafs?

I never see that happening. And you’re going to put all your eggs in that basket, in return for letting Marner walk? Seems dangeorus to me, and I’d add, you’re just going to overpay for other in free agency too, especially with this new cap reality, which people fail to process here imo. It’s going to be a spending spree this off season.

I hate the money these guys are getting but if Marner signs for 8 that will make a big difference to the initial ask for sure.

Matthews for 4 years is the real taken to the woodshed contract.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I never see that happening. And you’re going to put all your eggs in that basket, in return for letting Marner walk? Seems dangeorus to me, and I’d add, you’re just going to overpay for other in free agency too, especially with this new cap reality, which people fail to process here imo. It’s going to be a spending spree this off season.

Yeah that would be insane from a management point of view.

You could trade a bunch of stuff to get him and then he could walk anyways. No one would do that.

 

[ToneDog]

A 110 point, 2 way stud, is getting that.

I’ve always believed we do it before the playoffs, maybe it’s advantageous to wait, but it has its own set of risks.

We aren’t getting out of this “core four” price regime, I’ve just accepted it and hope they figure it out. We have an internal cap structure, I’m done fighting it.

Sorry, Mitch is not a 110 point stud like Willie is not a 120 point stud.

It sure looks like this management team is all about lip service and are not getting out of the core four. If it works, great. If it does not, they deserve to hear it in May.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yeah that would be insane from a management point of view.

You could trade a bunch of stuff to get him and then he could walk anyways. No one would do that.

That’s why we keep Marner and hope he delivers. You aren’t getting this caliber back, and then you’re just over paying mediocre talents in free agency, we don’t have the draft capital to replace him.

Sorry, Mitch is not a 110 point stud like Willie is not a 120 point stud.

It sure looks like this management team is all about lip service and are not getting out of the core four. If it works, great. If it does not, they deserve to hear it in May.

He’s on a 110 point pace, and he’s been elite both ends of the ice. That isn’t an opinion. Willie is a 92 point player, been terrific.

 

[therealkoho]

Leafs again bidding against themselves and being taken to the woodshed by Ferris. It is f***ing sad that this fanbase has been stuck with some of the greediest and/or dumbest owners/management since Conn Smythe.

Better not shit your pants in the playoffs if you sign for $13m or you will be begging to be traded.

I'm just glad that Moldaver graciously allowed AM to negotiate those huge hometown discounts both times, by saying no I think if I leave 2.5 on the table we can maybe sign a 3rd pairing Dman!

Can you answer why Mitch should be the one to leave millions on the table as you're subtly suggesting? Mathews has never shown up in the playoffs ever if that's the bar you're using?

 

[ToneDog]

That’s why we keep Marner and hope he delivers. You aren’t getting this caliber back, and then you’re just over paying mediocre talents in free agency, we don’t have the draft capital to replace him.


He’s on a 110 point pace, and he’s been elite both ends of the ice. That isn’t an opinion. Willie is a 92 point player, been terrific.

110 point pace is correct. Willie was on a 120 point pace the same time last year. All I say is let's see him do it in the playoffs first. What's the rush?

 

[arso40]

That’s why we keep Marner and hope he delivers. You aren’t getting this caliber back, and then you’re just over paying mediocre talents in free agency, we don’t have the draft capital to replace him.


He’s on a 110 point pace, and he’s been elite both ends of the ice. That isn’t an opinion. Willie is a 92 point player, been terrific.

There’s that word pace again

 

[ToneDog]

I'm just glad that Moldaver graciously allowed AM to negotiate those huge hometown discounts both times, by saying no I think if I leave 2.5 on the table we can maybe sign a 3rd pairing Dman!

Can you answer why Mitch should be the one to leave millions on the table as you're subtly suggesting? Mathews has never shown up in the playoffs ever if that's the bar you're using?

I have more confidence if Matthews getting it done in a big game than Marner. BTW, two wrongs do not make a right. Sorry, I am done betting on the wrong horses unless they prove they are the right horses. Unfortunately, Shanahan already gave away the keys to the candy store.

 

[DarkKnight]

110 point pace is correct. Willie was on a 120 point pace the same time last year. All I say is let's see him do it in the playoffs first. What's the rush?

I’m not adverse to waiting, but there is risk there as well and I can see wanting to firm him up now. And if they fail in May, I will be disgusted once again. I just feel this is our star core and we’re winning or losing with them, the alternatives don’t make sense now. 13 mil isn’t bad if the cap rises, for me anyways.

 

[ToneDog]

There’s that word pace again

He's on a 72 point pace in the playoffs (half that in games 5-7).

 

[ULF_55]

A 110 point, 2 way stud, is getting that.

I’ve always believed we do it before the playoffs, maybe it’s advantageous to wait, but it has its own set of risks.

We aren’t getting out of this “core four” price regime, I’ve just accepted it and hope they figure it out. We have an internal cap structure, I’m done fighting it.

Leafs don't have a single 110 point player.

But for comparison purposes a Draisaitl, a 110 point stud, regular and post-season, got around 15.15% on the projected $92.5mm Cap.

$13mm for marner?

Likely.

 

[DarkKnight]

There’s that word pace again

Yep, and it’s only injuries that mess it up, not a sudden drop in production. So who cares.

 

[BraveCanadian]

He's on a 72 point pace in the playoffs (half that in games 5-7).

What is playoff warrior Nylanders pace in the playoffs?

Hint: 65.

Do we need to rehash all this again? Marner is going to get paid.

 

[DarkKnight]

Leafs don't have a single 110 point player.

But for comparison purposes a Draisaitl, a 110 point stud, regular and post-season, got around 15.15% on the projected $92.5mm Cap.

$13mm for marner?

Likely.

That’s where we sit during contract negotiations.

 

[GoonieFace]

Might as well continue the history of overpaying our players. This franchise is big on tradition.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Leafs don't have a single 110 point player.

But for comparison purposes a Draisaitl, a 110 point stud, regular and post-season, got around 15.15% on the projected $92.5mm Cap.

$13mm for marner?

Likely.

It pains me that this is true because Drai produces big time in the playoffs although he's not nearly as good defensively.

 

[GoonieFace]

What is playoff warrior Nylanders pace in the playoffs?

Hint: 65.

Do we need to rehash all this again? Marner is going to get paid.

Thankfully for Mitch, he stockpiled some points in that Tampa series. Those 11 career playoff goals is something special though.

 

[ToneDog]

Leafs don't have a single 110 point player.

But for comparison purposes a Draisaitl, a 110 point stud, regular and post-season, got around 15.15% on the projected $92.5mm Cap.

$13mm for marner?

Likely.

Draisaitl got $14.25m because he has done it in the regular season and playoffs and is playing in Edmonton (not the greatest destination). Paying 3 8 time playoff losers $37.75m is disgusting.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Thankfully for Mitch, he stockpiled some points in that Tampa series. Those 11 career playoff goals is something special though.

Yes I agree that players look worse when you take out their best stretches (and the only series the Leafs have won in two decades - thanks Mitch).

 

[thewave]

Thankfully for Mitch, he stockpiled some points in that Tampa series. Those 11 career playoff goals is something special though.

Exactly in the first 4 games especially blowouts. MITCH IS DYNAMITE. When it gets rough, Marner is useless.

 

[ToneDog]

What is playoff warrior Nylanders pace in the playoffs?

Hint: 65.

Do we need to rehash all this again? Marner is going to get paid.

It is the Leafs. Of course he will get paid. Does that make it the right move? Hell no and Marner will most likely prove it for the duration of the contract.

 

[BraveCanadian]

It is the Leafs. Of course he will get paid. Does that make it the right move? Hell no and Marner will most likely prove it for the duration of the contract.

I worried much less by Marner than by Matthew$ and Nylander.

Marner at least puts in a consistent effort even if the results aren't always as good as we'd like.

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly in the first 4 games especially blowouts. MITCH IS DYNAMITE. When it gets rough, Marner is useless.

Had a chance to step up with 34 and 88 out against a sad Bruins team and he shit the bed. Oh yeah, I forgot he had a high ankle sprain.

 

[ULF_55]

That’s where we sit during contract negotiations.

They are all pretty disappointing players, but when you have a union and an contract and restraints, some will be overpaid and some will be underpaid.

Draisaitl for example got skewered his last contract. Even with this new contract, career earnings are going to be less than players who don't measure up to his game.

Happens outside hockey / sport so not unique. Maybe worse outside sport .

It would interesting and fun to watch (from a detached individual) to see him get more than Matthews.

 

[ToneDog]

I worried much less by Marner than by Matthew$ and Nylander.

Marner is at least puts in a consistent effort even if the results aren't always as good as we'd like.

Problem is players are not paid for effort. They are paid for results but we keep paying all 3. This organization is a joke and the proof is not one SCF appearance since 1967.