Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[IPS]

Where were the blue and white goggles cheerleaders who were scoffing at the notion of Marner demanding Draisaitl money?

 

[capfit9]

It’s sad that we are overpaying Nylander, now will overpay Marner due to an incompetent organization. The highest valued franchise is run by clowns.

The taxes are a lame excuse. Hellybuck probably left money on the table with Winnipeg.

Whatever Marner signs for, you can’t blame him.

I think its best if they wait out the season + playoffs because how much more could Marner ask for than what he is asking right now. Even with a fantastic playoffs there's not much more he could earn IMO. If his feelings are/get hurt then so be it, i couldn't give a flying f***.

 

[IPS]

16.6 x 6 should suit this greedy demon just fine. We all know he is not going to play over his head like his past signing.

16.616*

Except I think Rantanen is headed to UFA. Contract negotiations have been pretty ugly. He’s got his cup, he wants to be paid and viewed at as being on the same level as Nate MacKinnon and I don’t think Colorado is gonna budge.

You mean a better run and more successful team isn't letting their winger use their franchise elite #1C as a comparable?

Say it ain't so!

 

[Confucius]

I think its best if they wait out the season + playoffs because how much more could Marner ask for than what he is asking right now. Even with a fantastic playoffs there's not much more he could earn IMO. If his feelings are/get hurt then so be it, i couldn't give a flying f***.

No matter what he gets, we know he will give us the option to match it. So if we aren’t getting a deal may as well just wait it out.

 

[IPS]

I get the optics, this is why I say 12.75 is acceptable IF the cap rises to the floated 95-97. Matthews is the guy who's taken the Leafs to the cleaners both deals, he hit free agency at 26 after extracting top dollar, up front too. Now he has positioned himself for another massive contract, withour giving up anything short term. It's incredible to me all this hand wringing on Marner when Big Sexy has rolled this organization the entire time.
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Franchise #1C's naturally command/get paid more money than elite wingers?

Where did you discover this ground breaking information?

 

[francis246]

16.616*


You mean a better run and more successful team isn't letting their winger use their franchise elite #1C as a comparable?

Say it ain't so!

That’s how it should be, now Marner hasn’t asked for 14 mill. Lebrun was speculating based on how the Rantanen negotiations are going. But if that ends up Marner has that ask, I think you walk and don’t look back. He is not worth that.

 

[IPS]

That’s how it should be, now Marner hasn’t asked for 14 mill. Lebrun was speculating based on how the Rantanen negotiations are going. But if that ends up Marner has that ask, I think you walk and don’t look back. He is not worth that.

LeBrun is speculating based off of his insider knowledge.

Marner's demanding atleast $14M, abso-f***inglutely guaranteed.

 

[GoonieFace]

LeBrun is speculating based off of his insider knowledge.

Marner's demanding atleast $14M, abso-f***inglutely guaranteed.

Probably Marners camp saying that, so when he still gets overpaid at $12.5 people will think it’s a hometown discount . People will eat it up

 

[francis246]

LeBrun is speculating based off of his insider knowledge.

Marner's demanding atleast $14M, abso-f***inglutely guaranteed.

No he’s not. He literally said in his excerpt that he is assuming Marner MIGHT ask for something similar. If he had knowledge he’d use more definitive language. Reading is a lost skill these days. He mentioned one person asking for 14 mill. Rantanen. He just said Marner’s camp is gonna ask for a cap percentage.

 

[IPS]

No he’s not. He literally said in his excerpt that he is assuming Marner MIGHT ask for something similar. If he had knowledge he’d use more definitive language. Reading is a lost skill these days. He mentioned one person asking for 14 mill. Rantanen. He just said Marner’s camp is gonna ask for a cap percentage.

It's Lebrun, it's no secret he has very well established inside connections across many camps around the league.

$14M didn't come out of his ass, guaranteed he's caught wind of that number from somewhere.

 

[francis246]

It's Lebrun, it's no secret he has very well established inside connections across many camps around the league.

$14M didn't come out of his ass, guaranteed he's caught wind of that number from somewhere.

He never said Marner is asking for 14 mill. Like what are you missing. He said Rantanen is asking for 14 mill. You can listen to the full video on TSN and someone posted the quote in this thread. He just said based on Rantanen valuing himself at that, Marner might ask for that. But this is a clear example of the Marner camp and or Toronto using the media to set up the potential team friendly deal. We should be reading right through this

 

[thewave]

He never said Marner is asking for 14 mill. Like what are you missing. He said Rantanen is asking for 14 mill. You can listen to the full video on TSN and someone posted the quote in this thread. He just said based on Rantanen valuing himself at that, Marner might ask for that. But this is a clear example of the Marner camp and or Toronto using the media to set up the potential team friendly deal. We should be reading right through this

You know any elite prospects looking to be drafted in 4yrs? After we pay Marner his 14million a year and the D core are limping about, we will be in tank mode. Need to start panning the rebuild now. Knies is going to want 9millions

 

[francis246]

You know any elite prospects looking to be drafted in 4yrs? After we pay Marner his 14million a year and the D core are limping about, we will be in tank mode. Need to start panning the rebuild now. Knies is going to want 9millions

Hahaha I’m not sure as of right now. Maybe this time we go with a stud d.

 

[IPS]

He never said Marner is asking for 14 mill. Like what are you missing. He said Rantanen is asking for 14 mill. You can listen to the full video on TSN and someone posted the quote in this thread. He just said based on Rantanen valuing himself at that, Marner might ask for that. But this is a clear example of the Marner camp and or Toronto using the media to set up the potential team friendly deal. We should be reading right through this

No you're right, I did misread the quote. But inferring that it's being used to set up some team friendly deal? I really doubt that.

 

[francis246]

No you're right, I did misread the quote. But inferring that it's being used to set up some team friendly deal? I really doubt that.

I agree with you, I don’t think either way it will be team friendly. But it feels like that’s what they are trying to set us up as fans to believe. It feels like they are pushing out 14, and throwing his name in that conversation, but oh he signs for 12.5, okay he took less.

But really that’s probably what he wanted and what the team wanted the entire time. I think there’s a number there that the leafs are comfortable with. It’s probably 12-12.5 but I doubt he makes 13 as a leaf.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

The ask isn't always the get.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think its best if they wait out the season + playoffs because how much more could Marner ask for than what he is asking right now. Even with a fantastic playoffs there's not much more he could earn IMO. If his feelings are/get hurt then so be it, i couldn't give a flying f***.

Logically, I think you are right, but I don't think this organization will be willing to absorb the risk of pushing this to the end of June. I hope they prove me wrong, but I think they will sign both Marner and Tavares in-season.

I agree with you, I don’t think either way it will be team friendly. But it feels like that’s what they are trying to set us up as fans to believe. It feels like they are pushing out 14, and throwing his name in that conversation, but oh he signs for 12.5, okay he took less.

But really that’s probably what he wanted and what the team wanted the entire time. I think there’s a number there that the leafs are comfortable with. It’s probably 12-12.5 but I doubt he makes 13 as a leaf.

100% agree.

 

[Leafsfan74]

The ask isn't always the get.

I hope he asks for $15M, 16M, 18M.

Give the longest Finals drought in professional sport a reason to come to their senses and walk away.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Reinhart signing for 8M this offseason. There isn't an argument where you can talk me into 12.5M. That guy won a cup and scored 50G.

 

[capfit9]

No matter what he gets, we know he will give us the option to match it. So if we aren’t getting a deal may as well just wait it out.

Only T.O. can offer him 8 years, keep that in mind

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Reinhart signing for 8M this offseason. There isn't an argument where you can talk me into 12.5M. That guy won a cup and scored 50G.

Nylander and Matthews contracts are the argument.

 

[IPS]

Reinhart signing for 8M this offseason. There isn't an argument where you can talk me into 12.5M. That guy won a cup and scored 50G.

Apparently he had a fluke year but so far this year he's proving he's the real deal.

 

[Evilhomer]

Reinhart signing for 8M this offseason. There isn't an argument where you can talk me into 12.5M. That guy won a cup and scored 50G.

Give Reinhart some credit for being mature and realizing that it's better to stay in a really good situation for a lot of money than go to an unknown situation for a little more money. Ironically, I expect that Marner will make the exact same decision.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I’m going to do this crazy thing called — wait and see what actually happens, before getting wound up about what Marner hasn’t yet signed for. That said, I do agree that if it’s 14 of the big ones he wants, he can do that in Utah or wherever.

 

[sunstersun]

That’s on coaching for not separating them. Do players create the lines? People are blaming the players for shit that’s on management. People cry about the contracts and get mad at the players. Who gave those players the contracts? Management. People cry about Marner forcing plays to Matthews. Who staples them together, coaching. Management and Coaching have been a big part of the problem. If we as fans can recognize these issues why have the people in charge been blind to them? That’s where our main source of anger and resentment should be directed.

Based on what I’ve seen with Matthews out, it’s clear as day he demands the puck at all times. Which is fair because he is an elite goal scorer but it’s to the detriment of the team. Thank God Berube has sense and will hopefully keep them separated.

It's partially on Mitch for deferring too much to Matthews.