Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[ACC1224]

Geez man, paying Marner 14M while Florida pays Reinhart 8.6M is quite the pill to swallow. That's a Hyman-type player difference. I can't get behind that one.

What contracts greater than Reinharts look good when comparing to him?

Reinhart needs a better agent

 

[francis246]

On a not contract related note, can we discuss Marner having one of his best post game pressers in his career last night. A lot of accountability. Even on Overdrive they are speaking to how he sounds and looks different. So maybe someone or something has helped him to find that missing link?

 

[thewave]

On a not contract related note, can we discuss Marner having one of his best post game pressers in his career last night. A lot of accountability. Even on Overdrive they are speaking to how he sounds and looks different. So maybe someone or something has helped him to find that missing link?

Yeah he is ticking the boxes following the script. Now they are talking 14m again and I am thinking to myself. Forget this bs and move on.

Get some good secondary scorers or tenders locked down for that.

 

[Divine]

On a not contract related note, can we discuss Marner having one of his best post game pressers in his career last night. A lot of accountability. Even on Overdrive they are speaking to how he sounds and looks different. So maybe someone or something has helped him to find that missing link?

Lots of accountability in a contract year. Before the ink is dry he’ll say the media is putting shackles on them or whatever he says every time he has a bad game.

 

[Confucius]

You should be prepared to be disappointed then

I will miss him, good player

 

[GoonieFace]

Lots of accountability in a contract year. Before the ink is dry he’ll say the media is putting shackles on them or whatever he says every time he has a bad game.

He’s been in the league what 9 years now, making boatloads of money and we are excited about a post game presser.

 

[francis246]

Yeah he is ticking the boxes following the script. Now they are talking 14m again and I am thinking to myself. Forget this bs and move on.

Get some good secondary scorers or tenders locked down for that.

Well if you read the quote. Rantanen is asking for 14 million. No where in that quote did Lebrun say Marner was asking for 14 million. He said HE THINKS Marner MIGHT ask for that based on what Rantanen is valuing himself on the open market. Why anyone is getting their panties in a bunch over that statement is beyond me. There’s no direct quote from Marner or his camp. He’s making an assumption based off what Rantanen and Rantanen’s camp said.

Lots of accountability in a contract year. Before the ink is dry he’ll say the media is putting shackles on them or whatever he says every time he has a bad game.

Nah this wasn’t one of those types of answers, nice try though.

 

[Gabriel426]

How could 12.5mil a good deal? That’s tied for 4th highest paid player in the league. Now McD will beat that on Jul 1. But that’s still the 5 highest paid player in the league.

It is really the blind love of the hometown boy playing for the Leafs.

Ofcourse if the Leafs win the Cup even if MM choked once again, I could careless if MM signs for 14mil as Leafs got the Cup.

In fairness people need to read the quote. Nowhere did it actually say Marner’s ask. Lebrun mentioned Rantanen believes he will get 14. Then he said, Marner MIGHT ask for that. I don’t think we should start panicking, Lebrun is just making an assumption there. Rantanen has clearly established his price.

It is one of those cycle like someone in media says Soto is thinking about the East and wants to play with Friends.
Next thing we know, we will all be tracking planes due to Valddy and completely ignoring the fact that he actually played with the Yanks and probably got more friends there than with the Jays, lol.

 

[Jojalu]

The Cap% is a make up reason by Leafs fans to show that our Beta Chokers are on good contracts, lol.

All they need to do is win the Cup and all their contracts are great. It is really that simple and easy.

Cap % is not a Leaf thing. It's the only way to look at a contract in an ever changing system.

10% of 70 million or 10% of 90 million is entirely different.

The system is meant for players to leapfrog each other at the top.

That doesn't mean the Leafs are not poor at cap management though.

 

[ACC1224]

Well if you read the quote. Rantanen is asking for 14 million. No where in that quote did Lebrun say Marner was asking for 14 million. He said HE THINKS Marner MIGHT ask for that based on what Rantanen is valuing himself on the open market. Why anyone is getting their panties in a bunch over that statement is beyond me. There’s no direct quote from Marner or his camp. He’s making an assumption based off what Rantanen and Rantanen’s camp said.



Nah this wasn’t one of those types of answers, nice try though.

Their panties have been bunched for months

Cap % is not a Leaf thing. It's the only way to look at a contract in an ever changing system.

10% of 70 million or 10% of 90 million is entirely different.

The system is meant for players to leapfrog each other at the top.

That doesn't mean the Leafs are not poor at cap management though.

Seems simple enough. Not sure what the struggle is.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Would 16 milly per, guarantee his services for 8 more years?

 

[Gabriel426]

Cap % is not a Leaf thing. It's the only way to look at a contract in an ever changing system.

10% of 70 million or 10% of 90 million is entirely different.

The system is meant for players to leapfrog each other at the top.

That doesn't mean the Leafs are not poor at cap management though.

Cap %, funny how nobody mentioned that with what JT is asking. Or Mack when he signed his extension, nobody brought up Tax Issue or Cap %.
Never said Leafs are poor at cap MGT. They are just not good in betting winners. lol.
All can change this playoffs

 

[thewave]

Would 16 milly per, guarantee his services for 8 more years?

16.6 x 6 should suit this greedy demon just fine. We all know he is not going to play over his head like his past signing.

 

[francis246]

16.6 x 6 should suit this greedy demon just fine. We all know he is not going to play over his head like his past signing.

Greedy demon?

Jesus. I wonder what you think of Matthews.

 

[thewave]

Greedy demon?

Jesus. I wonder what you think of Matthews.

Paid correctly for the best goal scorer in the world. No issues. These guys and the PR are basically leading us to a 3 year win window and then a rebuild.

It's nasty. 14m is a joke

 

[francis246]

How could 12.5mil a good deal? That’s tied for 4th highest paid player in the league. Now McD will beat that on Jul 1. But that’s still the 5 highest paid player in the league.

It is really the blind love of the hometown boy playing for the Leafs.

Ofcourse if the Leafs win the Cup even if MM choked once again, I could careless if MM signs for 14mil as Leafs got the Cup.


It is one of those cycle like someone in media says Soto is thinking about the East and wants to play with Friends.
Next thing we know, we will all be tracking planes due to Valddy and completely ignoring the fact that he actually played with the Yanks and probably got more friends there than with the Jays, lol.

Completely agree with everything in this post. I think we need to chill. I’m not sure why we are getting hyped up because Rantanen wants 14 million. Only thing that Lebrun report told me is that Rantanen seems like he is hitting that free agency market

 

[Smif]

What contracts greater than Reinharts look good when comparing to him?

Reinhart needs a better agent

I was actually at a meeting with Reinhart's sister in law today. She told me he knew he was leaving money on the table when he signed but didn't consider other teams for a second. Said he's too happy there to move.

 

[francis246]

Paid correctly for the best goal scorer in the world. No issues. These guys and the PR are basically leading us to a 3 year win window and then a rebuild.

It's nasty. 14m is a joke

Well again for like the third time, I ask you, where in that Lebrun excerpt did you see “Mitch Marner is asking for 14 million?”

I saw Rantanen is seeking 14 million. So why are we getting upset over a Colorado problem. If Marner gets 14 million he will not be a Toronto Maple Leaf. So it should put everyone at ease. I think 12.5 based on Nylander’s cap percentage is where Marner will land. In between Matthews and Nylander. Lebrun did exactly what he wanted. Clicks and many clicks. He got yourself and a bunch of other leafs fans all jumpy over a little word play, cause most people do not read full excerpts.

 

[Menzinger]

Cap% IS the easiest and most accurate way to compare contracts.

That said, I have a hard time justifying giving Mitch more than 14%. Which even if the cap is 92.5 mil next year, still should keep his aav under 13.

A 2 mil aav raise puts him at 12.9 which is in the ballpark of 14%

 

[ACC1224]

Well again for like the third time, I ask you, where in that Lebrun excerpt did you see “Mitch Marner is asking for 14 million?”

I saw Rantanen is seeking 14 million. So why are we getting upset over a Colorado problem. If Marner gets 14 million he will not be a Toronto Maple Leaf. So it should put everyone at ease. I think 12.5 based on Nylander’s cap percentage is where Marner will land. In between Matthews and Nylander. Lebrun did exactly what he wanted. Clicks and many clicks. He got yourself and a bunch of other leafs fans all jumpy over a little word play, cause most people do not read full excerpts.

They have a hair trigger ready to pounce on anything they perceive as negative.

I was actually at a meeting with Reinhart's sister in law today. She told me he knew he was leaving money on the table when he signed but didn't consider other teams for a second. Said he's too happy there to move.

Yeah all people are different and view things differently. Silly to judge IMO.

 

[Evilhomer]

The cycle is back.

1. Rumor of an insane amount-14mil
2. Then the debate and discussions
3. Last signs lower than the insane amount
4. Home town discount

Let’s fall for that again just like most of us will be tracking plane the moment the media hinted Soto is signing with the Jays.

This is 100% accurate. If anyone here doesn't think the media in this town says and does whatever the team wants, I have a bridge to sell you. It's no different than the media tacitly agreeing to not disclose Matthews' injury, even though many in the media likely know exactly what the issue is.

 

[ACC1224]

Cap% IS the easiest and most accurate way to compare contracts.

That said, I have a hard time justifying giving Mitch more than 14%. Which even if the cap is 92.5 mil next year, still should keep his aav under 13.

A 2 mil aav raise puts him at 12.9 which is in the ballpark of 14%

Seems reasonable.

 

[Confucius]

Completely agree with everything in this post. I think we need to chill. I’m not sure why we are getting hyped up because Rantanen wants 14 million. Only thing that Lebrun report told me is that Rantanen seems like he is hitting that free agency market

I’d be surprised if Rantanen got 14, hopefully he signs a deal first we have no reason to extend Marner until the summer.

 

[francis246]

They have a hair trigger ready to pounce on anything they perceive as negative.


Yeah all people are different and view things differently. Silly to judge IMO.

Honestly if we are being honest with ourselves we know it’s going to be at least the same cap percentage Nylander got. Whatever that is on a 92 million cap is what his cap hit will be. If they use the inflator and it goes up to 97. There’s a possibility he gets 14 based on the cap %. But I think he’s asking for a cap percentage slightly higher than Nylander, team will counter and offer him the same or close to the same as Nylander’s. Putting him at 12.5-12.9

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

He’s been in the league what 9 years now, making boatloads of money and we are excited about a post game presser.

Generational presser