Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[GoonieFace]

NHL also stole an obvious assist from him near the end of the 99 point season, so really, he did hit 100.

Yeah, no he didn’t.

 

[ULF_55]

Can't believe we still have to endure this purposely obtuse debate. Yes, yes, yes.

2024-25 103.6 pace

2023-24 101 pace

2022-23 101 pace

2021-22 110.4 pace

2020-21 99.9 pace

And as we know, pace is based on games played.
Games not played have no pace.

And the missed assist that would have given him 100 points, had me wondering if we reviewed all games for all players could there be some milestones met and some milestones erroneously given?

1,000 points ... probably secured as 4 assists probably have not likely to have been given Prop.

List of NHL players with 1,000 points - Wikipedia

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1,000 points ... Spezza missed 5 assists in 1248 games? Probably not?

NHL All-Time Points Leaders

NHL players who hold the all-time record for the most points in NHL. All-time point leaders for NHL players.

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Remember when Tavares played a full season with the Little m?
47 goals.

This year with marner, the "3rd. line center" Tavares is close to PPG.

This year marner and Tavares again look like gold.

 

[DarkKnight]

And as we know, pace is based on games played.
Games not played have no pace.

And the missed assist that would have given him 100 points, had me wondering if we reviewed all games for all players could there be some milestones met and some milestones erroneously given?

1,000 points ... probably secured as 4 assists probably have not likely to have been given Prop.

List of NHL players with 1,000 points - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1,000 points ... Spezza missed 5 assists in 1248 games? Probably not?

NHL All-Time Points Leaders

NHL players who hold the all-time record for the most points in NHL. All-time point leaders for NHL players.

www.quanthockey.com

Remember when Tavares played a full season with the Little m?
47 goals.

This year with marner, the "3rd. line center" Tavares is close to PPG.

This year marner and Tavares again look like gold.

Tavares scored 12 more even strength goals that year than his previous high. It's a pretty astounding anomaly.

 

[arso40]

Marner yes, Nylander no.

(Nylander was close enough that I'd consider him a 100 point player but saying he paced that would be a lie.)

We have 1 100 point player it’s our number 1 Center

 

[arso40]

The annoying thing is Leafs management actually sat him for games down the stretch, it wasn't his choice, he was almost all but guaranteed to hit 100 one of those seasons.

If he wanted to play they wouldnt stop him mm and am have the keys to this team

We have 1 100 point player it’s our number 1 Center

I’m glad you find it funny acc but what I’m saying is facts your using fancy made up stats nobody gets in the books with expected points only actual points he has zero 100 point seasons hopefully he gets through this year we’re probably the only team that even has these debates about pace rather than results

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yeah, no he didn’t.

Well he was one of the last 3 players to touch the puck for at least 100 of his team's goals, but you can call it whatever you want. Either way, it shows how silly the distinction is.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner has 9 points 5 on 5, 2 goals 7 assists, Curiously Connor McDavid also has 9, 5 on 5 points, 3 goals 6 assists
I guess they are in the same 5 on 5 boat. Pastranuk has 9 points both tkachuks have 9 points, Barkov has 9. Just a boatload of guys with 9

Plenty of big name players not doing much better really
Mackinnon 11 points 1 and 10
Draisaityl 11 points

NHL Player Statistics -Advanced Stats 2024-2025

Scoring Leaders, Expected Goals, Player Stats

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5v5 points per 60:

Barkov is 6th
M.Tkatchuk is 25th
B.Tkatchuk is 57
C.Mcdavid is 62
Mackinnon is 89
Marner is 114th
Pastrnak is 126

Mcdavid was injured but hes picking up (are injury excuses only allowed for postseason Marner)? Pastrnak led his next teammate by 43 points last year, he lacks the high end linemates that the rest have. Note that Marner wasnt able to produce a single point 5v5, or even a shot on goal.. in the 5 games with Tavares and Matthews off his line.

Something to keep an eye on. Hopefully when Matthews comes back, Marner and him are kept apart.

 

[notdoneyet]

His point pace shouldn't be up for debate regardless. Playoff point pace vs players making similar money is more interesting and important.

I haven't worked it out but I think if you normalized everything both MM and WN are both around 9-10m players.

For example. If we had AM and nobody else of worth and we could get MM in free agency. I would offer him 10m and may even outbid to 10.5m, maybe even go the full 11m if desperate.

When we got MM signed to 10.9m I was expecting to see 120pts seasons and that never happened

Just to be sure at 11.5 for nylander you are expecting 125 points or he isn’t worth his contract
And as an aside
At 13.25 matthews should be around what 150 points a season or he isn’t worth his contract

We know your disdain for marner but you just can’t cherry pick one contract and not the others to justify this obsession

 

[arso40]

Just to be sure at 11.5 for nylander you are expecting 125 points or he isn’t worth his contract
And as an aside
At 13.25 matthews should be around what 150 points a season or he isn’t worth his contract

We know your disdain for marner but you just can’t cherry pick one contract and not the others to justify this obsession

125? Come on man he’s over paid as of now in a couple years when the caps over 10 mil higher he’ll be paid better he’s not gonna be expected to hit 125 that’s just crazy Marner was at 10.9 for 6 years and never hit a 100 how can we expect for 600 thousand more, with the percentage of the cap difference another 20 something points on top fml

 

[Racer88]

Nylander:

96 points after 76 games.
2 points in the last 6 games.

Nylander was on pace for 104 points at the 76 game mark.

Earned 2 points in last 6 games, to fall short of 100.
Injury? He didn't start the playoffs because of migraine issues, which started when? Did he play out the season fighting the issue, or did it occur after the last game? Maybe he should have sat out? All speculative.


Little m:

Injury ended his chased for 100+.
He ended the season on a 101 pace, but since he missed 13 games it is impossible to predict what he might have done during those 13 games. Maybe scores better than his season PPG, or maybe he scored less than his season PPG.


Both came up short.


But thrilled to hear that Berube is asking him to read the Volume 2 of the Bandy Papers.

The great debate of the 21st century…….at what number of games is “on pace for” allowed and how many points can we round up to

 

[DarkKnight]

Math is hard.

In the last six years-an incredibly large sample size- he averages 1.24 points per game.

Cope harder.

 

[thewave]

Just to be sure at 11.5 for nylander you are expecting 125 points or he isn’t worth his contract
And as an aside
At 13.25 matthews should be around what 150 points a season or he isn’t worth his contract

We know your disdain for marner but you just can’t cherry pick one contract and not the others to justify this obsession

For 10m+ you probably want 1.35 (110pts) or more.

12m+ for a 100 point 1.24 is insane. The people here promoting your own team overpaying are obviously family or friends or business associates in some capacity. Nobody else has an active contingent of people seeking a player to get paid as high as possible.

Mitch is certainly overrated and about to get overpaid. These Mitch fans will certainly not care if the contracts come and go and we do not win.

 

[ACC1224]

The idea of using William Nylander at centre on a consistent basis didn’t get much traction in camp.

How about Marner at centre?

“I talked to Mitch the other day about it, actually,” Berube said. “He said, ‘No problem, whatever you want.’

“He’s smart enough, for sure. I know he has played some defence here in the past. I think he could play all positions. It’s definitely an option if we need it. He’s the guy who can go in there and understand the positioning of what to do. I guess you have to worry about faceoffs a little bit, but he’s a guy that we can use there.”

And how about that moustache?



“Working hard on it and seeing how it goes,” Marner said with a chuckle. “Movember is pretty important (for raising awareness about men’s health issues). My wife was the one who actually said I should get it going, so I’m giving it all I got, but it’s not much.”



The same can’t be said of Marner once the puck is dropped.