Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Menzinger]

That's an easy pass.

We'll learn soon enough how eager Tre will.be to jump on it .

The real wild card is if it doesn't get done soon, and he finishes the playoffs without a contract,.then probably anything is possible

 

[leafs in five]

Matthews produced 1.61 more goals per 60 minutes with Domi, which is approximately a 101.90% increase compared to when playing with Marner

it's the second decimal place that really makes it

 

[WTFMAN99]

We'll learn soon enough how eager Tre will.be to jump on it .

The real wild card is if it doesn't get done soon, and he finishes the playoffs without a contract,.then probably anything is possible

The contract for me really is something in that Nylander range, you can give him more but artificially lower the cap hit with deferrals in salary.

11.5M, maybe 11.8 (but deferred) but no one outside of CBJ is going to offer him 13-14M per because no one has mentioned anything close to those numbers for Rantanen who is at worst, equal or better than Marner.

 

[thusk]

Great - can we get him at the cap hit as one of those players too?

With a salary cap raising at 95-97 M and more next few yewrs... you will see contract $$$ jump

Yep. Marner Fans jumping up and down about his points but fail to give Tavares and Mcmann cresit for their incredible play on the 5v5 goal.

Tavares was amazing, watch how quickly he gets up off the ice and powers to the net to create the goal, with his great hand in tight.

Meanwhile Kelly Hrudey highlighted Marner lazy effort in the Boston series - how Marner took a light slash and fell to the ice and took forever to get up lol. That was playoff Marner, this is season Tavares!

Yeah for sure great play in forecheck and finishing their forechecking without the puck. In my mind you can hit as much you want if that doesn't bring you back the puck, that doesn't matter...pretty hard to score without the puck

and after oh i forgot its so hard tonbounce in a free puck and just shoot it missed it and sent it in a open net... But yeah let's give credit to player who missed their forechecking and just jump in a free puck ( what an amaizing play , 2 missed play and a shot in an empty net)and giving less credit to the guy who created the giveaway and push the puck to his teammate and made all this possible.

 

[stickty111]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858651621028192657

It's getting harder to ignore that Kyper cares more about Marner's happiness than anything else. As long as he's on the team and gets his money, the rest don't matter.
Comparing Marner to Drai is embarassing. Good on JB calling him out

 

[Dekes For Days]

From TSN

Yes,, which is not what was being claimed. And you seem to be missing the middle part you cut out... The most important direct quote from the agent, where he clarifies that it was "one of the factors" that their side attempted to "bring into it", which notably does not remotely equate to it being the only factor that both sides ended up negotiating with, despite some attempting to pretend otherwise.

 

[WTFMAN99]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858651621028192657

It's getting harder to ignore that Kyper cares more about Marner's happiness than anything else. As long as he's on the team and gets his money, the rest don't matter.
Comparing Marner to Drai is embarassing. Good on JB calling him out

We were probably better off Kypreos off of the air.

 

[centipede2233]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858651621028192657

It's getting harder to ignore that Kyper cares more about Marner's happiness than anything else. As long as he's on the team and gets his money, the rest don't matter.
Comparing Marner to Drai is embarassing. Good on JB calling him out

I like kyper. He’s a great story teller, he is a superstar in Toronto media. He’s good at what he does and I typically agree with every opinion he utters, except anything marner related! It’s almost like kyper can’t wait for one of the 5 times a year marner has a good game to pump up his tires. Kyper is delusional with anything marner related and it’s quite apparent he can’t put aside his personal feelings in regards to anything marner related topic. If the leafs sign marner, or any team for that matter, they will not be winning a cup with marner on whatever bloated contract he gets.he might be a $12 million player in the regular season, but he’s more a $6-7 million dollar player at best in the playoffs. Kyper needs to take the marner coloured glasses off and see things a lot more realistic.

 

[Antropovsky]

it wasn't Domi=Marner it was Domi>Marner as evidenced by these /60 numbers

Na, Marner supporters always said Marner elevated Matthews. The argument by some posterd was that this wasnt true and that Matthews doesnt need Marner to produce. In fact I took it further and argued that the stats show Matthews is actually LESS productive with Marner.

Here are the stats that show Marner might be dragging Matthews down over the past 2 years. As we know, this year they were hot trash together too:

 

[Leafsfan74]

That's an easy pass.

I wouldn't even respond to such a request, I'd just hang up the phone and let the season run out.

 

[thusk]

Marner negociatio discussion are hilarious

If Marner expectation would really be1 matthews and draisaitl contract, do you really think he would start the negociation at this price???

He would start at least around 14,5 to 15 M and probably talking about how fast salary cap raising and whatever. Agent are not stupid to start negociation exactly where they really want to finish. If they target matthews and draisaitl contract, the real target is probably somewhere 11,5 to 12,5M

 

[Divine]

if not, what makes St Matthew of Phoenix worth 13.4

69 goal scoring Selke finalist centres have value believe it or not

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner 5v5 stats with Tavares vs Marner stats with Matthews since 2020.

We don’t have much data on Marner without both Tavares and Matthews, but the results we do have are not good for Marner. This year, when playing without both, he failed to register a point, his line had no gf and 1 ga and he registered just 1 shot in 5 games. In the past Boston playoff series, where he spent time without them, he also struggled and looked ineffective and struggled to get shots on goal.

It’s becoming increasingly evident that Marner relies heavily on star linemates to generate offense at 5v5. This aligns with what Andrew Berkshire pointed out back in 2019 in the video linked below.

Berkshire highlighted the advanced stat "Scoring Chance Generating Plays" as a key metric for evaluating playmakers like Marner—how often they directly create scoring opportunities for their teammates. In 2019 (Marners 94 point season), the rankings were as follows:

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Matthews
12. Tavares
22. Nylander
26. Marner

Is Marner Overrated:


Sure Marner has points when it isn't 5v5. But he does not create alot of offense 5v5, contrary to what certain Marner supporters want everyone to believe. He hasn't spontaneously set up a 5v5 goal all year... he's got two primary assists on set plays, and one on a clearing attempt.

 

[al secord]

"Marner supporters." I take it you were booing him as he stole the puck in OT and scored the winner?

 

[DarkKnight]

Leafs management bought it and now Ferris will take their lunch money again. Good thing is all the smart fans are saying wait until after the playoffs.

Nylander already did.

I would be surprised because they do not want to risk pissing off the fans calling for change to the core, if they are punted early and Mitch underwhelms. I mean, what is the rush unless Mitch gives them a sweet deal? Who is paying him more?

I don't think a subset of fans is even part of the metric to be honest. I just have a feeling they lock him like Nylander, and my hope is just a hair more. I suppose if his camp is asking the moon, then it goes to off season.

 

[ToneDog]

Nylander already did.

I don't think a subset of fans is even part of the metric to be honest. I just have a feeling they lock him like Nylander, and my hope is just a hair more. I suppose if his camp is asking the moon, then it goes to off season.

If he took a hair more than 88, he'd gain some goodwill from the fans. Nobody was giving Willie $92m over 7 years. IMO it was a mistake not to wait. I'd be gun shy to make the same mistake with Marner a year later.

 

[DarkKnight]

If he took a hair more than 88, he'd gain some goodwill from the fans. Nobody was giving Willie $92m over 7 years. IMO it was a mistake not to wait. I'd be gun shy to make the same mistake with Marner a year later.

Agreed, it would really help his image here if he took Nylander money, hopefully he is in his agent's ear. It would all come back in sponsorship money too if he changed the narrative about salary.

Anyone know what the salary cap is expected to be next year?