Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Antropovsky]

How many playoffs do you think he will last before Neely gets rid of him? Put me down for 1.

Mitch should go to UTAH, dazzle the fans, collect all the money he can and retire before the novelty wears out and the fans demand playoff success.

At the beginning of the season, he attempted to play more physical, forecheck finish hits, use his body and engage in board battles and go to the net more.

He took a few big hits and actually initiated a few post whistle scrums. Because engaging in the physical aspect of the hockey game actually got him pissed off and angry! Who would've predicted?

But he didnt enjoy the physical play, who does right? he'd rather make 11 million and play perimeter and not get hurt. So he's been primarily old Mitch for some time now.

Meanwhile quite regularly we are seeing Mcdavid engaging in scrums and Mackinnon. Apparently they aren't too highly paid or too skilled to engage physically.

The best moments of Marners season this year, have been the games where he was attempting to be physical.but nothing will change the fact that he has an extreme displeasure in it.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

How many years of losing is acceptable? There's no way Mitch and JT are back if it's any other management group. Some of yall are so dug in you'll reunite the group even if we go down in round 1 again. You'll talk yourself into next year being the one because there can't possibly be a combination of players that are better than what we have

 

[Smif]

How many years of losing is acceptable? There's no way Mitch and JT are back if it's any other management group. Some of yall are so dug in you'll reunite the group even if we go down in round 1 again. You'll talk yourself into next year being the one because there can't possibly be a combination of players that are better than what we have

Nah, for me it's always been about the cap. We got screwed over more than any other team because all of our guys were signed right before the cap stalled. Now that the cap is growing like it should've been I'd like to give them a couple more years before we pull the plug. This is especially the case with JT's salary decreasing. I am pretty disappointed with the numbers I'm hearing to re-sign JT and Marner tbh but I still think I'd walk it back for the next three years tbh. It is still the prime for our three best players for a few more years. I've waited approx 35 years for a cup, 3 more isn't crazy.

 

[Smif]

At the beginning of the season, he attempted to play more physical, forecheck finish hits, use his body and engage in board battles and go to the net more.

He took a few big hits and actually initiated a few post whistle scrums. Because engaging in the physical aspect of the hockey game actually got him pissed off and angry! Who would've predicted?

But he didnt enjoy the physical play, who does right? he'd rather make 11 million and play perimeter and not get hurt. So he's been primarily old Mitch for some time now.

Meanwhile quite regularly we are seeing Mcdavid engaging in scrums and Mackinnon. Apparently they aren't too highly paid or too skilled to engage physically.

The best moments of Marners season this year, have been the games where he was attempting to be physical.but nothing will change the fact that he has an extreme displeasure in it.

I agree with this. Marner played a brand of hockey that I was really excited about earlier on, but, to be fair, I think the whole team played a notch above their current performance - Maybe it was the new coach syndrome and now it's worn off.

With that said, you're giving him a compliment now but you still railed on the guy the whole time even when he was playing how you described. Which is why I was so frustrated with you in November.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nah, for me it's always been about the cap. We got screwed over more than any other team because all of our guys were signed right before the cap stalled. Now that the cap is growing like it should've been I'd like to give them a couple more years before we pull the plug. This is especially the case with JT's salary decreasing. I am pretty disappointed with the numbers I'm hearing to re-sign JT and Marner tbh but I still think I'd walk it back for the next three years tbh. It is still the prime for our three best players for a few more years. I've waited approx 35 years for a cup, 3 more isn't crazy.

Honestly, Marner and Matthews should be under contract for multiple years still at their old AAV, Dubas not getting 8 years was ridiculous.

 

[I am Canadian]

Honestly, Marner and Matthews should be under contract for multiple years still at their old AAV, Dubas not getting 8 years was ridiculous.

Matthews, not as much so but Marner yes. Leafs should have laid down the law early that Matthews was the franchise player and Marner was not the same.

Marner should not have gotten max value and then some (Rantanen comparison) as well as the shorter term.

 

[34]

How many playoffs do you think he will last before Neely gets rid of him? Put me down for 1.

Mitch should go to UTAH, dazzle the fans, collect all the money he can and retire before the novelty wears out and the fans demand playoff success.

The big problem with Mitch is that he thinks he is bigger than the team. He is very selfish.

 

[francis246]

Honestly, Marner and Matthews should be under contract for multiple years still at their old AAV, Dubas not getting 8 years was ridiculous.

I posted the clip in here about 2 weeks ago. Go listen to Dubas' press conference after signing Matthews. He really preached about how the term would give both the team and player flexibility. They tried to be innovative in terms of capitalizing on a potential cap increase and it completely back fired. It's unfortunate.

 

[thewave]

Matthews, not as much so but Marner yes. Leafs should have laid down the law early that Matthews was the franchise player and Marner was not the same.

Marner should not have gotten max value and then some (Rantanen comparison) as well as the shorter term.

Marner has never played with a sub elite C. JT and Matthews can do a lot of heavy lifting and put the puck in the net. Marner is hanging back in the perimeter. He doesn't want to get hurt and that lack of self sacrifice is why he fails in the POs.

Look at Necas stats now. Look at Rants. Necas looks awesome. We could move him and the same thing could happen.

 

[francis246]

Matthews, not as much so but Marner yes. Leafs should have laid down the law early that Matthews was the franchise player and Marner was not the same.

Marner should not have gotten max value and then some (Rantanen comparison) as well as the shorter term.

Marner signed before Rantanen so realistically we can't even use that comparison. And the Leafs did lay down the law and that's why we are in this situation. in my opinion they should have done the opposite. Matthews should not have been treated above Marner and Nylander. As an organization, you shouldn't be preaching one player is more important, that's how you create tension and resentment amongst other players. There should have been a very clear mandate that you want the three to grow within the organization together. I posted this two days ago, but you look at all other dynasties and they have their 1-2 punch matching deals or very very close deals.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Matthews, not as much so but Marner yes. Leafs should have laid down the law early that Matthews was the franchise player and Marner was not the same.

Marner should not have gotten max value and then some (Rantanen comparison) as well as the shorter term.

I posted the clip in here about 2 weeks ago. Go listen to Dubas' press conference after signing Matthews. He really preached about how the term would give both the team and player flexibility. They tried to be innovative in terms of capitalizing on a potential cap increase and it completely back fired. It's unfortunate.

For me, Matthews always made sense to fall somewhere between Eichel and McDavid as they were the young franchise centres that were coming up in the league

Eichel at 8 years 10M
McDavid at 8 years 12.5M

Matthews I think was around 11.6? 5 years...That needed to be 8 years for that price or for 5 years, like 8 something.

Just where I was on it, Dubas didn't know what he was doing but pretty much 90-95% of the board at this point already knows that.

 

[ToneDog]

At the beginning of the season, he attempted to play more physical, forecheck finish hits, use his body and engage in board battles and go to the net more.

He took a few big hits and actually initiated a few post whistle scrums. Because engaging in the physical aspect of the hockey game actually got him pissed off and angry! Who would've predicted?

But he didnt enjoy the physical play, who does right? he'd rather make 11 million and play perimeter and not get hurt. So he's been primarily old Mitch for some time now.

Meanwhile quite regularly we are seeing Mcdavid engaging in scrums and Mackinnon. Apparently they aren't too highly paid or too skilled to engage physically.

The best moments of Marners season this year, have been the games where he was attempting to be physical.but nothing will change the fact that he has an extreme displeasure in it.

Half his 16 goals were scored in November. 2 ENG and 1 goal vs a sad Skinner since Nov 30 (18 games). The way he is trending, if we are lucky he will score a goal in round #1. Of course it will be in a game we are down by 3 or 4 goals with 8 minutes to go.

 

[Smif]

Marner has never played with a sub elite C. JT and Matthews can do a lot of heavy lifting and put the puck in the net. Marner is hanging back in the perimeter. He doesn't want to get hurt and that lack of self sacrifice is why he fails in the POs.

Look at Necas stats now. Look at Rants. Necas looks awesome. We could move him and the same thing could happen.

A strategy I would love to do is identify teams that lack scoring ability and target their best offensive players. They're typically underpaid because they haven't put up the big numbers and then they often fluorish with better teams. Colorado did it with Necas, everyone has done it with Buffalo, Philly would be a big target for me, I bet Konecny would be ridiculous with our group.

 

[francis246]

A strategy I would love to do is identify teams that lack scoring ability and target their best offensive players. They're typically underpaid because they haven't put up the big numbers and then they often fluorish with better teams. Colorado did it with Necas, everyone has done it with Buffalo, Philly would be a big target for me, I bet Konecny would be ridiculous with our group.

yup, couldn't agree more. Before Frank Vatrano resigned I'd say him as well.

But Konecny, Boeser and Ehlers would be the three I'd want the leafs to target. Goal scorers who play with some bite. Boeser and Ehlers might be considered rentals but maybe they'd be willing to resign here.

Obviously if we are looking for cost controlled guys, Konecny, Toffoli, Zegras, maybe Lawson Crouse if you believe in his upside as a goal scorer.

 

[ToneDog]

How many years of losing is acceptable? There's no way Mitch and JT are back if it's any other management group. Some of yall are so dug in you'll reunite the group even if we go down in round 1 again. You'll talk yourself into next year being the one because there can't possibly be a combination of players that are better than what we have

We can't lose a Marner for nothing. We will be so much worse. We might not make the playoffs. We won't sell jerseys. Think about the kids.

 

[Zero1]

It’s a forgone conclusion that this front office will sign Marner to a stupid AAV. All I ask is that they don’t give him a full NMC.

 

[Sundinisagod]

If Marner walks July 1st, Tavares stays, do we even want Rantanen at 14m? We’d still be very top heavy:

14m Rantanen
13.25 Matthews
11.5 Nylander
7.5 Tavares

46.25 million new core 4

 

[Smif]

It’s a forgone conclusion that this front office will sign Marner to a stupid AAV. All I ask is that they don’t give him a full NMC.

I think that the NMC is more a forgone conclusion than the stupid AAV. It's probably both tho.

 

[ToneDog]

If Marner walks July 1st, Tavares stays, do we even want Rantanen at 14m? We’d still be very top heavy:

14m Rantanen
13.25 Matthews
11.5 Nylander
7.5 Tavares

46.25 million new core 4

I'd only take Ranta @ 14 over Marner @ 13+. Nobody should be making more than Matthews. If Ranta would take less than $13mx7, I'd listen.

Anything more and I would target Ehlers, Boeser, Chychrun, Ekblad, Bennett etc. Leafs will target Marner and run it back until the end of time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Cut the condescending bullshit btw. If someone posts stats it’s on them to post it with context.

You said you have no idea what I mean by speculation, I showed you what you posted that was speculation, and your response is cut the condescending bullshit?

You're embarrassing yourself, I thought you were better than this.

 

[Racer88]

I'd only take Ranta @ 14 over Marner @ 13+. Nobody should be making more than Matthews. If Ranta would take less than $13mx7, I'd listen.

Anything more and I would target Ehlers, Boeser, Chychrun, Ekblad, Bennett etc. Leafs will target Marner and run it back until the end of time.

They will run it back until these guys age out

 

[Confucius]

What about Boston?

I think Dubas would be the highest bidder, just imagine if Trev was to outbid Dubas. lol!

 

[ToneDog]

I think Dubas would be the highest bidder, just imagine if Trev was to outbid Dubas. lol!

The winner of the Marner sweepstakes is most likely the loser.

 

[Antropovsky]

Now you're just being obstinate.

Sorry to intervene. You can go back to your squabble with Antropovsky. I just thought I would offer you some insight.

The earth is also round too btw.

I remember when the Nerds starting saying the earth was round.

But you need to prove to me the earth is round.

Am I doing this right?

 

[Antropovsky]

If we lose first round cause we don't have the recipe to win 2 rounds the you know what hits the fan. Because we overpaid 2 guys already Marner walks for the mega contract elsewhere. Current management may not even have permission to sign him or Tavares. If they sign Rantanen Mathews will score less but we win more playoffs.

He would score less but certainly have more assists.