Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CXI: The Last One Went So Long Because I Didn't Know What The Next Number Was

[Beef Invictus]

Fletcher went into full panic mode after the team underperformed in the 2020/21 season. But he did some good things before everything fell apart, so I just can't put him in the same category as Milbury.

What good things?

 

[TCTC]

What good things?

AV proved to be a good hire in his first season. Hayes was a solid 2nd line center in his first season. Niskanan, Braun. Even Pitlick was a good move.

Of course, you can disregard all of those moves if you want to because it didn't last long. But for a while it looked like we were cooking.

 

[Beef Invictus]

AV proved to be a good hire in his first season. Hayes was a solid 2nd line center in his first season. Niskanan, Braun. Even Pitlick was a good move.

Of course, you can disregard all of those moves if you want to because it didn't last long. But for a while it looked like we were cooking.

Yeah, I don't put a lot of emphasis on flashes in the pan. Especially considering the guaranteed nature of NHL contracts. And my strong hesitancy to hire AV knowing his past of having one or maybe two good years before everything went to complete shit. It's not like Milbury didn't have comparable decisions too.

Overall I am convinced if we had dropped Milbury into the GM spot, he'd have done about the same as Fletcher. While if you had dropped Fletcher into that era of NYI, he'd have easily done as badly.

 

[TCTC]

Yeah, I don't put a lot of emphasis on flashes in the pan. Especially considering the guaranteed nature of NHL contracts. And my strong hesitancy to hire AV knowing his past of having one or maybe two good years before everything went to complete shit. It's not like Milbury didn't have comparable decisions too.

Overall I am convinced if we had dropped Milbury into the GM spot, he'd have done about the same as Fletcher. While if you had dropped Fletcher into that era of NYI, he'd have easily done as badly.

Milbury's bad moves were much more franchise crippling. You can build a playoff team with all the players he traded away.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Milbury's bad moves were much more franchise crippling. You can build a playoff team with all the players he traded away.

But recall that was mainly driven by Snow's refusal to pay anyone

 

[TCTC]

But recall that was mainly driven by Snow's refusal to pay anyone

No ownership pressure could excuse trading young Chara or young Luongo though. And let's not even start about his draft history. Kaprizov alone probably is worth more than all the players Milbury drafted combined.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No ownership pressure could excuse trading young Chara or young Luongo though. And let's not even start about his draft history. Kaprizov alone probably is worth more than all the players Milbury drafted combined.

Milbury actually drafted some good players.


Fletcher and Milbury really are extremely comparable. Strip Fletcher of the resources of Minnesota and Philly and add an owner who refuses to pay anyone but a single fragile goalie, and he is easily as bad.

 

[TCTC]

Milbury actually drafted some good players

Few of them he actually kept though.

 

[PDX Flyer]

That might explain some of Milbury's bad moves, but weren't his worst moves basically adding overpaid, over the hill players for prospects and draft picks? The Yashin trade, for example. Or trading Luongo and Jokinen for Kvasha and Parrish.
I don't think you can blame the owner for that.

Trading Luongo to take a goalie #1 overall is my favorite

 

[Beef Invictus]

Trading Luongo to take a goalie #1 overall is my favorite

Not unlike trading Ghost to fit Ristolainen, and then trading even more for years to try and replace Ghost.

 

[TCTC]

Not unlike trading Ghost to fit Ristolainen, and then trading even more for years to try and replace Ghost.

You're trying too hard now. Trading a future hall of fame goalie to draft a complete bust when he could've picked Heatley or Gaborik is nothing like trading an aging Gostisbehere.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You're trying too hard now. Trading a future hall of fame goalie to draft a complete bust when he could've picked Heatley or Gaborik is nothing like trading an aging Gostisbehere.

Ghost has been a good dman the whole time. Ristolainen a bad one who has peaked as a 3rd pairing guy. With all the assets burned over more years to try and fix it. It really is comparable. It's the same process. Fletcher would do that. That kind of process is in his brain. He simply didn't have the opportunity.

His whole GM career is filled with decisions like that.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Trading Luongo to take a goalie #1 overall is my favorite

Fun fact: DiPietro is still getting paid by the Islanders. He'll be getting a nice fat $1.5 million check for the next four years.

I wish I could find somebody who would pay me half that to f*** off forever.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Not unlike trading Ghost to fit Ristolainen, and then trading even more for years to try and replace Ghost.

And then not draft him last year when he fell in your lap

 

[PDX Flyer]

Fun fact: DiPietro is still getting paid by the Islanders. He'll be getting a nice fat $1.5 million check for the next four years.

I wish I could find somebody who would pay me half that to f*** off forever.

Ohhh I forgot about that. Aha

 

[CerpinTaxt]

You're trying too hard now. Trading a future hall of fame goalie to draft a complete bust when he could've picked Heatley or Gaborik is nothing like trading an aging Gostisbehere.

Lol everyone is aging you dolt thats called living life. Want to know what an "aging" Gostisbehere has done since being traded? He's put up 194 pts in 323 games as a defenseman. That's more than any player on the Flyers not named Konecny. All while providing above average defense metrics. Fletcher looks plenty dumb trading him for absolutely nothing. And maybe his cap doesn't completely spell dunce in comparison to Milbury it still has the D-U-N-C. He's not that far behind.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

But recall that was mainly driven by Snow's refusal to pay anyone

The awful Linden deal actually was them trading for big salary player

Several of the deals he made didn't have $ issues related though some admitted do (Palffy)

 

[TCTC]

Lol everyone is aging you dolt thats called living life. Want to know what an "aging" Gostisbehere has done since being traded? He's put up 194 pts in 323 games as a defenseman. That's more than any player on the Flyers not named Konecny. All while providing above average defense metrics. Fletcher looks plenty dumb trading him for absolutely nothing. And maybe his cap doesn't completely spell dunce in comparison to Milbury it still has the D-U-N-C. He's not that far behind.

Yeah, that's nice. Still not as big of a loss as choosing DiPietro over Luongo and Heatley.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I cannot believe I read a defense of the Vigneault hire. He had a panic attack the second the playoffs started in his “good” year.

While we’re at it, Niskanen was very good for them for one year. But it wasn’t just the pick they gave up. Radko Gudas is still a good player X years later.

 

[Amorgus]

Granlund just channeled his inner McDavid

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Remember when Connor wasn't good enough to play for team USA while we watched Kreider do whatever he was doing?

 

[TCTC]

How is Hellebuyck so bad on the road? He's losing them every away game.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Yeah, that's nice. Still not as big of a loss as choosing DiPietro over Luongo and Heatley.

Sure I guess milbury had the bigger shit sundae. They still both really suck. What's your argument here?

 

[Danko]

Pronger is so good on ESPN

 

[TCTC]

Sure I guess milbury had the bigger shit sundae. They still both really suck. What's your argument here?

The argument was that Fletcher was a worse GM than Milbury which judging by his actions and not hypothetical what could've been scenarios he clearly wasn't.

Agree with the bold part.