NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[Adam Warlock]

You guys need to consider the Flyers actually would prefer JT Miller.

The reality is they’d need Pettersson and Konecny to still have a sub-contending group hoping to get lucky.

Yes but theres more chance someone on the team can fill TKs role down the road. No one on the team or in the system has any shot of being Petterson...unless Mich learns center.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Id like to claim kaliyev off of waivers, I know he plays right wing, but id try him on the left side, good size, decent skill, low iq, worst comes to worse you move him at the deadline for a later round pick

 

[Magua]

Yes but theres more chance someone on the team can fill TKs role down the road.

Irrespective to Pettersson, I don’t believe for a second the Flyers have anyone that can fill TK’s role in the organization currently.

And nothing about completely pissing away all value for a 5th overall within 18 months, or trading a 13th overall for Ristolainen, or selecting a future 3C at 13th over a stud defender, or directly passing on Stankoven and Perreault, or taking absolute sub-NHL plugs in the 2nd round, or arrogantly believing drafting twice in the #26-32 range in a weak class is the rebuild’s inflection point — nothing about that tells me they will find more high-end players on a timeline that fits Pettersson.

And I repeat: I very much believe they wouldn’t even covet Pettersson. They couldn’t have cared less about Eichel at a more sensible time.

 

[BernieParent]

Irrespective to Pettersson, I don’t believe for a second the Flyers have anyone that can fill TK’s role in the organization currently.

And nothing about completely pissing away all value for a 5th overall within 18 months, or trading a 13th overall for Ristolainen, or selecting a future 3C at 13th over a stud defender, or directly passing on Stankoven and Perreault, or taking absolute sub-NHL plugs in the 2nd round, or arrogantly believing drafting twice in the #26-32 range in a weak class is the rebuild’s inflection point — nothing about that tells me they will find more high-end players on a timeline that fits Pettersson.

And I repeat: I very much believe they wouldn’t even covet Pettersson. They couldn’t have cared less about Eichel at a more sensible time.

Your truthiness makes my eyes water.

 

[Cody Webster]

@DancingPanther those damn California teams

 

[DancingPanther]

@DancingPanther those damn California teams

HERE IT COMES

Now that I think about it, I might defer my CAD with how shit it is. Might be worth gambling on it going a decade from now lol

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

Disney Inks Deal to Merge Hulu Live TV With Fubo, Ending Lawsuit Seeking to Block Venu Sports Streamer

Disney announced a deal with pay-TV provider Fubo to combine Hulu + Live TV with Fubo's operations in a joint venture, ending Fubo's Venu lawsuit.

variety.com

Fubo and Hulu Live + sports to merge

Just Hulu live + sports

Not Hulu video on demand - shows, movies etc

Fubo agrees to drop its lawsuit, which a judge blocked the Launch of Venue Sports

A Netflix type app but just sports

Disney
Warner Bros
Fox

Deal still needs federal approval.

I’m not sure what channels Hulu live will get from Fubo

 

[BigToe]

I need more

 

[Cody Webster]

I need more

More exciting than watching the Flyers

 

[flyersnorth]

@DancingPanther those damn California teams

How can they be allowed to defer salary that reduces the cap hit? Is that not cap cirumvention?

Or does the cap hit come back during those 10 years when they are paying him from 2035-2045?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

How can they be allowed to defer salary that reduces the cap hit? Is that not cap cirumvention?

Or does the cap hit come back during those 10 years when they are paying him from 2035-2045?

The NHL uses a formula to calculate the Present Value of the deferred money, which is of course lower. As interest rates have come up a bit, it has made the option more palatable to players. That’s why you’re seeing it more. The longer the payment is deferred, the bigger the cap savings.

Because you know, everyone understands a dollar today is worth less than giving you a dollar a year from now. *cough* Edmonton trade *cough*

 

[deadhead]

The NHL uses a formula to calculate the Present Value of the deferred money, which is of course lower. As interest rates have come up a bit, it has made the option more palatable to players. That’s why you’re seeing it more.

Because you know, everyone understands a dollar today is worth less than giving you a dollar a year from now. *cough* Edmonton trade *cough*

Not when today's dollars are taxed by CA but tomorrow's will be earned in a different state.

For athletes, who aren't investment wizards and tend to be exploited by hustlers (how many hockey players have ever taken intro finance?), deferred money is also a security blanket.

 

[flyersnorth]

The NHL uses a formula to calculate the Present Value of the deferred money, which is of course lower. As interest rates have come up a bit, it has made the option more palatable to players. That’s why you’re seeing it more. The longer the payment is deferred, the bigger the cap savings.

Because you know, everyone understands a dollar today is worth less than giving you a dollar a year from now. *cough* Edmonton trade *cough*

Lost in all of this is the plethora of hockey panelist millionaires discussing the shrewdness of billionaires finding ways to help multi-millionaires avoid taxes and cap hits.

What a league!

 

[ellja3]

I am baffled how the continuously crappy East results still allows us to legitimately be in the PO race

 

[Rebels57]

I am baffled how the continuously crappy East results still allows us to legitimately be in the PO race

The league is not in a great place right now. Not many good teams and even fewer contenders. Talent is watered down and idiots run 2/3 of the teams.

 

[deadhead]

I'm not sure talent is watered down.

Sure, they expanded to 32 teams, but the US is producing far more talent than a few decades ago, same with Europe and Russia. Better training and coaching (think of the impact of first video, then digital editing, etc.).

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I am baffled how the continuously crappy East results still allows us to legitimately be in the PO race

yea... its a godam joke.

OT loss points needs to be not a thing..

if you lost you lost... this isnt a "you tried" league... or at least it shouldnt be.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The NHL uses a formula to calculate the Present Value of the deferred money, which is of course lower. As interest rates have come up a bit, it has made the option more palatable to players. That’s why you’re seeing it more. The longer the payment is deferred, the bigger the cap savings.

Because you know, everyone understands a dollar today is worth less than giving you a dollar a year from now. *cough* Edmonton trade *cough*

I should be praised more frequently for having nothing to do with that trade.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm not sure talent is watered down.

Sure, they expanded to 32 teams, but the US is producing far more talent than a few decades ago, same with Europe and Russia. Better training and coaching (think of the impact of first video, then digital editing, etc.).

Yeah, talent is watered down relative to having 30 teams...but relative to the 70s and 80s? No way. Those were true watered-down years. You'd have to double league size to get similar levels of watering.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I look at Pettersson and he strikes me as a player who seems to have more to give. There is no way I am parting with TK to get him.
I realize he had a great season last year but I don’t know there is just something about him.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I was curious so I looked it up. It was pretty common right up until the lockout to have teams hovering around .500 make the playoffs. Just at a quick glance, the Isles qualified with 83 points as recently as 2003. Before the expansion to 30 teams it wasn't uncommon to see sub-.500 teams qualifying. The only three teams to have made the playoffs with less than 90 points since 2005 (shortened seasons notwithstanding): 2010 Flyers, 2010 Habs, 2016 Wild. And of course, the Flyers and Habs were the conference finalists that year.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I was curious so I looked it up. It was pretty common right up until the lockout to have teams hovering around .500 make the playoffs. Just at a quick glance, the Isles qualified with 83 points as recently as 2003. Before the expansion to 30 teams it wasn't uncommon to see sub-.500 teams qualifying. The only three teams to have made the playoffs with less than 90 points since 2005 (shortened seasons notwithstanding): 2010 Flyers, 2010 Habs, 2016 Wild. And of course, the Flyers and Habs were the conference finalists that year.

Halak's performance then seems forgotten these days. The man ate the Caps and Penguins alive. He drove Crosby insane, and from those playoffs on they were a mental mess in the playoffs until Sullivan whispered them. He broke them mentally almost as severely as Wilson broke the Rangers.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, talent is watered down relative to having 30 teams...but relative to the 70s and 80s? No way. Those were true watered-down years. You'd have to double league size to get similar levels of watering.

Was it deady that we had that argument with? Because sweet baby jesus if it was.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Halak's performance then seems forgotten these days. The man ate the Caps and Penguins alive. He drove Crosby insane, and from those playoffs on they were a mental mess in the playoffs until Sullivan whispered them. He broke them mentally almost as severely as Wilson broke the Rangers.

I still see Halak used as a pejorative on the Caps board from time to time.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yeah, talent is watered down relative to having 30 teams...but relative to the 70s and 80s? No way. Those were true watered-down years. You'd have to double league size to get similar levels of watering.

It takes until the early 90s to dip below SEVENTY percent Canadian. It was still 82.3% in 1980.