NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[Strawberry Fields]

Buddy at work follows the Sabres. He mentioned that they were playing Montreal tonight. I told him maybe they'll have a chance, because Montreal's pretty bad, too. Oops.

 

[Magua]

Just keep your wives away from Roulette. Albert Brooks taught me that.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

On band trips, I was the usual winner of penny-ante Blackjack, so I thought I had a reasonable handle on the game. Years later Mrs. Parent and I went to a hotel that had a fun casino; you bought $20 worth of chips but no money is won. I went to the Blackjack table. I don't think I lasted 10 minutes before my chips were gone. Any idea that I could do well with gambling died at that table.

Should of played Spanish 21. It's Blackjack for beginners.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Buddy at work follows the Sabres. He mentioned that they were playing Montreal tonight. I told him maybe they'll have a chance, because Montreal's pretty bad, too. Oops.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Is this the meeting where he basically told the team and FO that everything is fine?

 

[ajgoal]

I have The Email of things I saw in my time working for RANCH that I have sent out many, many times for anyone that gets the starry eyes.

Just be sure to point out the degens. They won't be hard to find.

Bet the pass/don't pass or come/don't come all night. Both at the same time. Just use it to run up your comps, don't actually try to win money.

I haven't been in a hotel casino in over a decade, I don't even know if comps are still a thing.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Is this the meeting where he basically told the team and FO that everything is fine?

Yup

 

[Fight4yourRight]

How are the Sabres this bad? Seriously. So much talent… now, and those they lost.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Rangers lose again. 2-0 to Nashville. Now at 15-15-1

 

[GKJ]

 

[ponder719]

Yup

If by "the solution is within this room", he means that someone in that room was a couple bad goals away from setting the locker room on fire, he might yet be proven correct.

 

[CutOnDime97]

That Habs PP was snapping it around tonight

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Lavy’s gotta get canned soon. It’s the only lever Drury has left to pull. Fully expect Dolan to get involved soon. Dean Lombardi and Quenneville to NY e5

 

[Lord Defect]

The Kings also won with Lombardi considering actively blowing it, followed by him successfully blowing it shortly after. Their specific modus operandi happened to align perfectly with a shift in the sport that favored how they were built and played, too. That shift went the opposite way and they didn't even try to adapt. Pretending you can build like that deliberately is silly.

It's like citing the Blues as a meaningful model you can recreate. They're what, the only team that has ever won following their model? And it was one-off contention.

I just woke up and can’t remember that far back. How did they build and why is it no longer valid?

 

[ajgoal]

I just woke up and can’t remember that far back. How did they build and why is it no longer valid?

The Richards/Carter contracts

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Bet the pass/don't pass or come/don't come all night. Both at the same time. Just use it to run up your comps, don't actually try to win money.

I haven't been in a hotel casino in over a decade, I don't even know if comps are still a thing.

Most places no longer give comps for poker. Table game rates are significantly down across the board.

Slots still give solid hourlies. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Lord Defect]

The Richards/Carter contracts

Oh shit that’s right.

 

[ajgoal]

Most places no longer give comps for poker. Table game rates are significantly down across the board.

Slots still give solid hourlies. Draw your own conclusions.

I figured.

I'm pretty sure they closed the particular loophole I mentioned well before that.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Beef Invictus]

I just woke up and can’t remember that far back. How did they build and why is it no longer valid?

Basically there was a mini-Dead Puck Era for a few years that they happened to be built and coached perfectly for. League offense and playstyle coincidentally regressed in a way that benefitted them. It would be like if everyone suddenly started doing stuff that gave the Flyers a weird advantage that was unforseeable.

 

[pit]

It would be like if everyone suddenly started doing stuff that gave the Flyers a weird advantage that was unforseeable.

Like let Tippett shoot on a bandy net?

We'd be unstoppable!

 

[deadhead]

I think the model isn't the style of play but team construction:

1) you need one superstar, 2-3 is nice but hard to do even when tanking, look at the Rangers, #1 and #2 and they end up with Lafreniere, a good but not elite forward and Kakko. You need both lottery luck and season (who is on the board) luck.

2) you need to build quality depth, Toronto has a bunch of top picks but can't get over the hump, Colorado and Edmonton have a great core but struggle when the back six struggles.

3) you need good goalies, not great but at least top ten. Even TB didn't win when Vasilevskey played below his norm. Only Colorado got away with bad PO goaltending. St Louis had average goaltending, guess they were better than they've been given credit for.

2024: Bob -0.14
2023: Hill -0.97
2022: Kuemper +0.47
2021: Vasilevskiy -0.76
2020: Vasilevskiy -0.42
2019: Binnington -0.04
2018: Holtby -0.37
2017: Murray -0.41, Fleury -0.19
2016: Murray -0.24
2015: Crawford -0.18
2014: Quick -0.31
2013: Crawford -0.31
2012: Quick -0.69
2011: Thomas -0.34
2010: Niemi -0.01

 

[freakydallas13]

1) you need one superstar, 2-3 is nice but hard to do even when tanking, look at the Rangers, #1 and #2 and they end up with Lafreniere, a good but not elite forward and Kakko. You need both lottery luck and season (who is on the board) luck.

If you want to use examples of team building and whether they failed or not to justify building a certain way, please list all the times a team had one superstar and a supporting cast and failed in the cap era.

Otherwise you're ignoring a huge data set and cherry picking examples that fit your narrative.

 

[BillDineen]

Like let Tippett shoot on a bandy net?

We'd be unstoppable!

... and Frost would still miss

 

[deadhead]

If you want to use examples of team building and whether they failed or not to justify building a certain way, please list all the times a team had one superstar and a supporting cast and failed in the cap era.

Otherwise you're ignoring a huge data set and cherry picking examples that fit your narrative.

Most teams fail. Only 1 of 32 succeed if winning the Cup is your standard.