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Rumor: Mirtle - Preds may be willing to take a step back

Yeah, I’ll say. That last offseason really hurt them. With that being said, they feel like if Saros bounces back and a few other guys bounce back they’ll be right back to the mushy middle, unfortunately.
 
Nah, but can significantly diminish their value.
Oh definitely. But considering they were all acquired for nothing other than cash, any assets they can get helps down the line.

And they may not want to be traded considering Nashville's a pretty desirable location and comes with the no income tax perk.
For sure, and I don’t imagine that they would want to trade everyone anyway.
 
Who would be available for trade based on a “re-tool” if it were to happen?

Josi - NMC - $9.06 mil x 3 years
Forsberg - NMC - $8.5 mil x 5 years
Stamkos - NMC - $8.0 mil x 3 years
Saros- NMC - $7.74 mil x 5 years
Skjei - NMC - $7.0 mil x 5 years
Marchessault - NMC - $5.5 mil x 4 years
O’Reilly - $4.5 mil x 2 years
Bunting - $4.5 mil - UFA
Sissons $2.86 mil - UFA
Lauzon - $2.0 mil - UFA
Barron - $1.15 mil - RFA
Smith - $1.0 mil - UFA
Wood - $950k x 2 years
Svechkov - $950k - RFA
McCarron - $900k - UFA
L’Heureux - $863k - RFA
Oesterle - $775k - UFA
Englund - $775k - UFA
Wilsby - $775k x 2 years
Blankenburg - $775k - UFA
Evangelista - RFA

Not certain if missing any player or added any that do not belong, just getting a feel for which players Nashville could move.

With 6 NMC players would be a bit difficult to move and of course Nashville will still need to hit the cap flor of about $70.6 million as they currently sit at $78.5 million.
Out of the NMC group:
I dont believe saros' kicks in until July 1st
Marchessault will likely waive his
The rest may waive if they know where the team is going. Forsberg and Josi would have the greatest value. If you trade Forsberg or Josi then you keep Stamkos and Skjei to fill in.

Bold and Italics - trade if you get what you want out of it. Otherwise hold onto em for now.

Underlined - trade at deadline if you dont get what you want earlier. Feel free to take waiver fodder or roster filler/dump as part of return.

Hold onto the rest and promote to bigger roles
 
Lmao.

Taking a step back after going nuclear on old free agents last summer is objectively hilarious.
Very Hawks when they signed MAF and traded for Jones. At least the Preds just wasted $'s and not prospects/future 1sts as part of their "attempted retool". If they go down the rebuild path step one is see what Josi wants to do. In either case, I can see getting really good value for Forsberg & ROR, retain some and get some sort of value for Marchesault/Skjei (due to length of contract more than the AAV which aren't bad), and start drafting/developing.
 
Lmao.

Taking a step back after going nuclear on old free agents last summer is objectively hilarious.
The old NHL Franchise mode strategy. Sign the best free agents, trade them a year later for the first overall pick, win the cup every second season forever.
 
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Who would be available for trade based on a “re-tool” if it were to happen?

Josi - NMC - $9.06 mil x 3 years
Forsberg - NMC - $8.5 mil x 5 years
Stamkos - NMC - $8.0 mil x 3 years
Saros- NMC - $7.74 mil x 5 years
Skjei - NMC - $7.0 mil x 5 years

Marchessault - NMC - $5.5 mil x 4 years
O’Reilly - $4.5 mil x 2 years
Bunting - $4.5 mil - UFA
Sissons $2.86 mil - UFA
Lauzon - $2.0 mil - UFA
Barron - $1.15 mil - RFA

Smith - $1.0 mil - UFA
Wood - $950k x 2 years
Svechkov - $950k - RFA
McCarron - $900k - UFA
L’Heureux - $863k - RFA

Oesterle - $775k - UFA
Englund - $775k - UFA
Wilsby - $775k x 2 years
Blankenburg - $775k - UFA
Evangelista - RFA


Not certain if missing any player or added any that do not belong, just getting a feel for which players Nashville could move.

With 6 NMC players would be a bit difficult to move and of course Nashville will still need to hit the cap flor of about $70.6 million as they currently sit at $78.5 million.
Well, the thing is the Preds are already in the midst of a "re-tool", and the acquisition of several of those players was part of that, along with dumping the guys Trotz already liquidated.

So I don't think very many of those guys you listed are "available" for a trade right now. Certainly none of Josi, Forsberg, Stamkos, Saros, Skjei, or O'Reilly are. Also none of the younger/prospect guys. I think the organization loves Lauzon and McCarron for whatever reason and will try to keep them. Plus you can't really go wrong with what a guy like Blankenburg did as a fill-in at league minimum.

So when you pare down the list per above, there isn't much left that anybody is going to want. Marchessault MIGHT become available if he continues to butt heads with Brunette (although that would only be later on in the season). Likewise any of Bunting, Sissons, or Smith could become available as impending UFAs closer to the Trade Deadline, assuming the Preds are in the basement again.

But it's not going to be the big selloff that HF Fans are dreaming of, alas.
 
Should not have moved Askarov and had settled on a more fair price for Saros. Their ask for him was insane.
should not have hired Trotz, should not have kept Poile's front office teams and him on as a consultant. Should not have hired Bruno, should not have waived Tolvanan and Fabbro. We can go on and on for a minute like this.
 
O'Reilley, Marchessault, Sissons, Bunting, Lauzon... pretty much all that's available
but as mentionned 'Not Sure' & 'May be'; sounds pretty much like he's talking out of his ass
 
goalie trade with Edmonton?
We can only dream.

I'd personally give Edmonton Saros for free. And just sign a generic UFA to be our goalie in Nashville. Or if Edmonton needed to dump a contract (or contractS) back, I'd be down to take Skinner, Kane, whoever.

It's not that Saros is bad or anything. His last 2 seasons have definitely not been at the Vezina-level of his previous few. So he IS in a bit of a "slump", which is kind of bad timing for handing him a shiny new 8-year contract with an NMC, to say the least! But as we just saw in the WC, he can be an elite/world-class goalie still. Nothing has happened to him physically. He still has all his mobility and knows how to adjust to make up for his size.

But that's not going to last *8* more years. Maybe it lasts 4 or 5? And for the Preds, that's 4 or 5 years at a time when the franchise is floundering/rebuilding, so having a good goalie isn't really of much use to the team. Obviously it would have been a lot smarter if Trotz had held off on signing Saros to this contract, kept Askarov, and everything would have been perfect. But even given how things unfolded, I think it would make sense for the Preds to trade Saros before the new contract/NMC kick in. I'd frankly love to see him get a chance on a good team, much as I'm loving seeing Ekholm doing well right now.

Anyway, that's 🌈🍭🦄 talk. Trotz thinks he has a winning team, and he already put his money down on Saros, so there is no chance whatsoever that he's going to trade Saros or entertain any of these heretical ideas. :help:
 
O'Reilley, Marchessault, Sissons, Bunting, Lauzon... pretty much all that's available
but as mentionned 'Not Sure' & 'May be'; sounds pretty much like he's talking out of his ass
O'Reilly is definitely NOT available. None of the other guys are available "yet" either. Marchessault MIGHT become available next season if he continues to disagree with the coach. Lauzon is a "keeper" according to the brain(dead)trust.

I can definitely see Sissons and Bunting being available at the TDL though.
 
Brunette can't work with this roster, the construction of which is entirely on Trotz. It turns out that hiring a coach known for a rush attack and telling him to coach a team whose best players are over 30 with almost no young talent to supplement them is a bad idea.

He's surely going to be fired next season but he was doomed to fail. He'll go somewhere else and do much better.
Team would do better with Trotz coaching and probably couldn’t be any worse with Brunette GM’ing
 
I listened to the podcast and the context of the quote was looking around the league to see who might be willing to deal established guys off their roster. Mirtle was saying maybe Nashville could be a team to look at because of how badly the last season went.

Not to criticize the OP but that account has a tendency to report speculation as something more concrete.

That said, Trotz has really made a mess of things with Nashville since he's arrived there. A ton of bloated contracts, mismanaged young players, not to mention dead cap from getting rid of Duchene/Johansen (Johansen they were lucky to get out from). If they can get out from under some of those players I think they would be wise to do so
 
No way am I ok with this if I’m Forsberg. I’m asking out of Nashville if winning is a top priority.
Not sure how you can be Forsberg. Overall, it seems like Forsberg (and Josi for that matter) really just love being in Nashville, and don't particularly put any enormous weight on "winning". :dunno:

Oh sure, hockey players would like to win, in general. But whether that's a huge thing to *you* personally as an HFBoards poster or not, it doesn't really seem to be that big a deal for Forsberg or Josi. They like where they are, sipping lattes at the country club, living in a nice place for their families/spouses and career opportunities outside of hockey, etc. I'm sure if you asked them, they'd give sort of the standard answer that it'd be nice to win and they want to bring a Stanley Cup to Nashville. But they aren't going to be asking out or rocking the boat in any way just because they get an extra 2 months of summer vacation for the next few years. 2 extra months of paid vacation is pretty nice for some people, you know. :dunno:
 
We can only dream.

I'd personally give Edmonton Saros for free. And just sign a generic UFA to be our goalie in Nashville. Or if Edmonton needed to dump a contract (or contractS) back, I'd be down to take Skinner, Kane, whoever.

It's not that Saros is bad or anything. His last 2 seasons have definitely not been at the Vezina-level of his previous few. So he IS in a bit of a "slump", which is kind of bad timing for handing him a shiny new 8-year contract with an NMC, to say the least! But as we just saw in the WC, he can be an elite/world-class goalie still. Nothing has happened to him physically. He still has all his mobility and knows how to adjust to make up for his size.

But that's not going to last *8* more years. Maybe it lasts 4 or 5? And for the Preds, that's 4 or 5 years at a time when the franchise is floundering/rebuilding, so having a good goalie isn't really of much use to the team. Obviously it would have been a lot smarter if Trotz had held off on signing Saros to this contract, kept Askarov, and everything would have been perfect. But even given how things unfolded, I think it would make sense for the Preds to trade Saros before the new contract/NMC kick in. I'd frankly love to see him get a chance on a good team, much as I'm loving seeing Ekholm doing well right now.

Anyway, that's 🌈🍭🦄 talk. Trotz thinks he has a winning team, and he already put his money down on Saros, so there is no chance whatsoever that he's going to trade Saros or entertain any of these heretical ideas. :help:
Saros himself kind of said that he feels like he is in his best shape ever and the main problem in Nashville versus Team Finland has been the disorganisation of the D and lack of defensive coverage around the middle with the D playing way too loose. Personally I think Brunette's system just sucks.
 
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I listened to the podcast and the context of the quote was looking around the league to see who might be willing to deal established guys off their roster. Mirtle was saying maybe Nashville could be a team to look at because of how badly the last season went.

Not to criticize the OP but that account has a tendency to report speculation as something more concrete.

That said, Trotz has really made a mess of things with Nashville since he's arrived there. A ton of bloated contracts, mismanaged young players, not to mention dead cap from getting rid of Duchene/Johansen (Johansen they were lucky to get out from). If they can get out from under some of those players I think they would be wise to do so

This is EXACTLY what it was. It's very easy for an external observer to peruse rosters and standings, and say, "oh look, Nashville really sucks and has a lot of old guys on the decline. That means they should probably trade the old guys and try to rebuild."

Well duh. But it doesn't factor in any of what's actually going on in Nashville and more importantly in Barry Trotz's brain. :help:
 
Saros himself kind of said that he feels like he is in his best shape ever and the main problem in Nashville versus Team Finland has been the disorganisation of the D and lack of defensive coverage around the middle with the D playing way too loose. Personally I think Brunette's system just sucks.
We ALL think Brunette's system just sucks. And the Nashville D is a horror show. I think that's why any team looking at acquiring Saros could rightly ignore some of his ugly stats for the last couple of seasons, and not be completely turned off by his incoming new 8-year contract.

But... watching games, I have to say I don't think Saros himself has been quite as good, even with all that chaos around him, also. It's difficult to parse out these things when a good goalie struggles on a bad team and might be getting a little fed up with it all.

So yeah, other teams should still want Saros, as long as they don't mind writing off the last few years of his contract. He'll "probably be just fine". Probably. :crossfing
 

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