Minnesota Wild General Discussion 2024-25

Not particularly, but until then. I suppose we could say "Rossi/Nelson" as those may be mutually exclusive? Either way, he'd have to beat out two well established players with pretty decent offense.
I think if the WIld bring in Nelson then Rossi is for sure gone. Nelson is exactly the guy you bring in if you're going to start a rookie at 2C but want a safety net you can fall back to at 3C if it doesn't work out.

What I am saying is if you put Yurov and Rossi into a simulation for next season, where they each had the same role/minutes, that Yurov would outproduce Rossi.
 
I think if the WIld bring in Nelson then Rossi is for sure gone. Nelson is exactly the guy you bring in if you're going to start a rookie at 2C but want a safety net you can fall back to at 3C if it doesn't work out.

What I am saying is if you put Yurov and Rossi into a simulation for next season, where they each had the same role/minutes, that Yurov would outproduce Rossi.
Ah, then I will stick with my statement that Yurov might be able to outproduce a year-3 Rossi as a rookie, but I wouldn't put money on it. I'd be more likely to put money on the opposite, truthfully, but I've never been a betting man.
 
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Ah, then I will stick with my statement that Yurov might be able to outproduce a year-3 Rossi as a rookie, but I wouldn't put money on it. I'd be more likely to put money on the opposite, truthfully, but I've never been a betting man.

I've watched Yurov in the KHL, he's no Kaprizov. He's no Michkov. I'm not buying that he's going to come over and be an instant star.
 
I can't tell if you're being blatantly disengenuous or serious.

Why not both? I do think Yorov is better than Marat K, but that is a low bar. I have no clue if the kid is NHL ready, but the stats aren't there to say he should be in the NHL next season.

Which player is Yurov this year of Firstov his 21yo season in the KHL. 46 games, 13g/25p or 47 games, 11g/26p.
 
Why not both? I do think Yorov is better than Marat K, but that is a low bar. I have no clue if the kid is NHL ready, but the stats aren't there to say he should be in the NHL next season.

Which player is Yurov this year of Firstov his 21yo season in the KHL. 46 games, 13g/25p or 47 games, 11g/26p.
Yurov was the highest point producing player on one of the best KHL teams in 23-24. Khusnutdinov never lead a KHL team in scoring. Firstov never lead a KHL team in scoring. I'm not going to look too deeply into his production this year after an injury in the prior playoffs and a recent injury have derailed this season. Some will hold that against him, I'm just not going to be that guy.

People forget, Yurov was supposed to be a top 10 pick in the draft until circumstances outside the realm of hockey contributed to him dropping to us in the latter end of the 1st round in 2022. He has the skillset and size to be a quality 1st line player.
 
If they can't resign Kap and trade Rossi, do you see them going for a hard rebuild with Faber and Boldy leading the franchise as Posterboys?
No, I see them trying to reload rather than rebuild. They have a solid enough team that they may be able to get away with paying the next best UFA and still be a playoff team.

But if they did try to rebuild in that situation, they should trade everyone 24 years old or older that has value. It'll probably take 6-7 years for a rebuild at least, so Boldy will be ~29-30 years old when it's done at the youngest. Honestly, that's old enough that they should maybe trade him, too.

I don't know which path is better, both sound stupidly bad.
 
Man that was fun when we played Buffalo and they just didn’t defend for half a period and we looked like an actual NHL team for a brief moment
 
If they can't resign Kap and trade Rossi, do you see them going for a hard rebuild with Faber and Boldy leading the franchise as Posterboys?
I think you gotta see what the team looks like with Buium, Yurov, Ohgren and Jiricek. And a $7M UFA. It’s hard to be rational right now, but we should be getting a big boost in skill in October, albeit very inexperienced skill.
 
I think you gotta see what the team looks like with Buium, Yurov, Ohgren and Jiricek. And a $7M UFA. It’s hard to be rational right now, but we should be getting a big boost in skill in October, albeit very inexperienced skill.
Very true. I think we're closer to a reload than a rebuild if Kaprizov moves on. My only concern with that is the thought of all the prospects that make it becoming good but not great, and the team ending up back at the level of the '13-14 to '16-17 Wild. A fun few years, but they needed a Kaprizov in addition to what they had to win a Cup.
 
Yurov was the highest point producing player on one of the best KHL teams in 23-24. Khusnutdinov never lead a KHL team in scoring. Firstov never lead a KHL team in scoring. I'm not going to look too deeply into his production this year after an injury in the prior playoffs and a recent injury have derailed this season. Some will hold that against him, I'm just not going to be that guy.

People forget, Yurov was supposed to be a top 10 pick in the draft until circumstances outside the realm of hockey contributed to him dropping to us in the latter end of the 1st round in 2022. He has the skillset and size to be a quality 1st line player.
Which he followed up with mediocre production the playoffs, and in his most recent year. As to the second point, Rossi was a #9 pick, and many thought that he would go top 5. He has been a high producer everywhere he has played, and is not a recent convert to center like Yurov.

I don't see the argument for shipping out Rossi when he is just entering his prime and pinning all our hopes on a Center prospect who is coming off a mediocre year(when he is not injured).
 
Which he followed up with mediocre production the playoffs, and in his most recent year. As to the second point, Rossi was a #9 pick, and many thought that he would go top 5. He has been a high producer everywhere he has played, and is not a recent convert to center like Yurov.

I don't see the argument for shipping out Rossi when he is just entering his prime and pinning all our hopes on a Center prospect who is coming off a mediocre year(when he is not injured).
i agree. If Rossi is moved, we have to get a scoring C back.

If Yurov/Hartman are competing for the 3C role, that’s a different story. But penciling Yurov in as the 2C seems overly optimistic.

I’d do Brodin + Rossi for Tage. Much as I love Brodin, he’s always injured. Otherwise, I like McTavish as a Rossi trade target
 
i agree. If Rossi is moved, we have to get a scoring C back.

If Yurov/Hartman are competing for the 3C role, that’s a different story. But penciling Yurov in as the 2C seems overly optimistic.

I’d do Brodin + Rossi for Tage. Much as I love Brodin, he’s always injured. Otherwise, I like McTavish as a Rossi trade target
My thoughts too.

Not sure of the motivation for Anaheim there.
 
My thoughts too.

Not sure of the motivation for Anaheim there.
Maybe they like the (marginally) higher floor Rossi brings offensively. But yeah, McTavish is having a good year and is a bigger body so I think a sweetener may be required. More I think about, less enthusiastic I am about the Ducks being interested
 
Which he followed up with mediocre production the playoffs, and in his most recent year. As to the second point, Rossi was a #9 pick, and many thought that he would go top 5. He has been a high producer everywhere he has played, and is not a recent convert to center like Yurov.

I don't see the argument for shipping out Rossi when he is just entering his prime and pinning all our hopes on a Center prospect who is coming off a mediocre year(when he is not injured).
He played through injury in the playoffs, had offseason surgery, missed the start of the season, and had another injury. Your entire evaluation is based on a stretch of unlucky circumstances.

I seriously don’t get your disdain for Yurov. And don’t go blaming it on people trying to discuss Rossi options. You were that way before that became a focal point of discussion. Is it because he’s Russian?
 
He played through injury in the playoffs, had offseason surgery, missed the start of the season, and had another injury. Your entire evaluation is based on a stretch of unlucky circumstances.

His good year looks like the outlier, not the standard. Even in the KHL he's a middle-6/PP FWD, not a top line FWD. Being injured for the season

You want to see any prospect build from the previous season. Yurov and Wallstedt have regressed from their previous seasons.

I'm lower than about anyone on here with all prospects. I like some better than others, but don't really count on any of them turning into much of anything at the NHL level.
 
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Which ones? Just curious
I haven't been paying much attention this year so going back to the preseason.
Zeev, Wally, Yurov, Milne, Ohgren, and Kumpa (no clue how he's doing this year).

Wally is the only one I expect to do much of anything in the NHL next season.
I do hope Ohgren has a Tuch type of turnaround after this year of cooking in the AHL/NHL and an offseason of training.
Milne is my darkhorse for a 4th liner next season, but he is an injury concern.
 
He played through injury in the playoffs, had offseason surgery, missed the start of the season, and had another injury. Your entire evaluation is based on a stretch of unlucky circumstances.

I seriously don’t get your disdain for Yurov. And don’t go blaming it on people trying to discuss Rossi options. You were that way before that became a focal point of discussion. Is it because he’s Russian?
I don't get your enthusiasm for an untried prospect over a legit NHL top 6 Center.

In my world, there is room, and a need for, both players on the team ASAP.
 
I don't get your enthusiasm for an untried prospect over a legit NHL top 6 Center.

In my world, there is room, and a need for, both players on the team ASAP.

Your world sounds boring.

My world has wrong physics do to rolling nat 20s, everyone is a bobble head, zebras are multicolor poka doted instead of wearing their prison stripes, and reality tv was never invented.
 
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