Its probably smarter, and less risky too
Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] D Brock Faber signs extension with the Wild (8 years, $8.5M AAV)
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He has played 84 games...
It's an insane deal. Hope it works out for the wild.
It's an insane deal. Hope it works out for the wild.
Akrapovince
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Exact same situation as Sanderson, which I was against.
Would rather much have him go out and earn his cap hit than be given the cap hit, with all the criticism that comes with it.
You have a risk at them both not living up to that contract, to what? Save a million and a bit if he pops off?
If he goes out and plays the same way defensively and puts up 60 points on a 2 year deal to give me more of a sample size I’d gladly him do that and give him 9.5-10.
They are risking a player becoming a 4-5m player being paid 8.5 for the advantage that he might be a 9-9.5m player getting paid 8.5.
Risk vs reward isn’t there for me, if he goes out and wins a Norris how much are you really even saving by offering him this?
I guess it’s mitigated by the fact that he pretty much already is at 6-7m effectiveness and the cap is going up. This deal works because I’m really high on Faber but still.
Would rather much have him go out and earn his cap hit than be given the cap hit, with all the criticism that comes with it.
You have a risk at them both not living up to that contract, to what? Save a million and a bit if he pops off?
If he goes out and plays the same way defensively and puts up 60 points on a 2 year deal to give me more of a sample size I’d gladly him do that and give him 9.5-10.
They are risking a player becoming a 4-5m player being paid 8.5 for the advantage that he might be a 9-9.5m player getting paid 8.5.
Risk vs reward isn’t there for me, if he goes out and wins a Norris how much are you really even saving by offering him this?
I guess it’s mitigated by the fact that he pretty much already is at 6-7m effectiveness and the cap is going up. This deal works because I’m really high on Faber but still.
Our Lady Peace
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He's the type of defender that you secure because he eats big minutes and isn't remotely a black hole offensively. All situations on every top pair averaging 24:58 TOI. I can see why they locked him down for that price, budding #1 RHD like him are absolutely a premium in this league. Showed flashes of that this year but the Wild were very volatile at times and he is still very young for defensemen playing those minutes in this league
He will be under scrutiny during his sophomore season next year due to this signing, but I would bet he's going to be excellent for a long long time in this league. I think the contract is going to be more than friendly as the cap continues to go up
He will be under scrutiny during his sophomore season next year due to this signing, but I would bet he's going to be excellent for a long long time in this league. I think the contract is going to be more than friendly as the cap continues to go up
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I'm surprised it took 15+ years for teams to figure this out. Though there are still plenty of teams paying guys for past accomplishments...
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Dr Jan Itor
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For reference:
Jake Sanderson signed for $8.05M per year x 8 years after 1 season of 4g + 28a.
Owen Power signed for $8.35M per year x 7 years after 1 season of 4g + 31a.
Faber just had 1 season of 8g + 39a and was the teams' #1 defenseman.
It's what the market for locking up young elite (or soon-to-be elite) defenseman long-term currently is. Even probably a bit of a discount too.
Jake Sanderson signed for $8.05M per year x 8 years after 1 season of 4g + 28a.
Owen Power signed for $8.35M per year x 7 years after 1 season of 4g + 31a.
Faber just had 1 season of 8g + 39a and was the teams' #1 defenseman.
It's what the market for locking up young elite (or soon-to-be elite) defenseman long-term currently is. Even probably a bit of a discount too.
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Faber played dam near 25 minutes a night on average as a rookie and didn’t look out of place.
Must also consider Faber didn’t have Spurgeon to lean back on and took on more minutes in Jared’s absence.
$8.5mil per is a great deal for Minnesota as Faber should get even better with more experience.
Must also consider Faber didn’t have Spurgeon to lean back on and took on more minutes in Jared’s absence.
$8.5mil per is a great deal for Minnesota as Faber should get even better with more experience.
Dr Jan Itor
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Yep. I was thinking at least $9M and possibly even close to $9.5M considering what the other two most recent young defensemen signed for.
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I don't see a scenario where a player like Faber turns into a 4-5m player.
Downside is probably like a 7M guy, upside is north of 10M. I think it's more likely that he's worth more than 8.5 than less over the term of this contract.
Based on his play last year he's probably worth $9M+. He was a #1 defenseman.
Hopefully it’s not a Darnell Nurse signing but that’s quite a lot of cash for someone who hasn’t had a long time in the league.
King In The North
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Everyone's up in arms but I'd rather sign young elite players LT then 30 year olds based on 1 or 2 good seasons.
MichaelFarrell
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I understand the reservations people have, but if you think you have your #1 RHD, you lock him up quick. I would’ve done the same if I was Billy G.
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KrisLetAngry
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Dahlin got 11 million after his 3 year bridge deal.
Cap is rising so let's say Brock Faber signs a 2 year 5 million dollar bridge.
Faber if he improves on his performance would be looking at possibly 12 or 13 million a year.
I think saving 4 million a year is worth it.
There’s almost zero chance of that happening.
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I think it's unlikely he'd be worth 11M+, but it's probably less likely he regresses to a 6M dman.
Dr Jan Itor
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If he's a Norris candidate in year 4 and the cap is >$100M 4 years from now, there is certainly a chance.
Good thing we traded him for Fiala, especially since Doughty has another good 15 years left in him...
KrisLetAngry
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Improving on his performance or asking for such a large number?
I disagree with both. Dahlin got 11 million a couple years ago.
I think fans of teams are in a rude awakening with the salary cap growing by more than a million a year.
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I get there's a risk, but some of the pushback is strange. The methods to get value contracts are to:
1) Sign young NHLers with elite upside before they've fully established themselves (betting on future value over past performance).
2) Sign undervalued players.
3) Trade for value contracts (whether or not due to retention).
4) Get Vets to take discounts to sign with you.
The first two are easier than the latter two and the first is by far the best way to actually build a core and to get a good contract with lots of term.
Faber was REALLY good in his rookie season, and arguably should have won the Calder. Locking him up long term, before the cap rises and for his prime makes all the sense in the world. The biggest issue with these kinds of deals is not everyone is willing to sign them.
1) Sign young NHLers with elite upside before they've fully established themselves (betting on future value over past performance).
2) Sign undervalued players.
3) Trade for value contracts (whether or not due to retention).
4) Get Vets to take discounts to sign with you.
The first two are easier than the latter two and the first is by far the best way to actually build a core and to get a good contract with lots of term.
Faber was REALLY good in his rookie season, and arguably should have won the Calder. Locking him up long term, before the cap rises and for his prime makes all the sense in the world. The biggest issue with these kinds of deals is not everyone is willing to sign them.
