Miller/Vanek/Pominville
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Paxon
202? Stanley Cup Champions
Yep, Eberle is arguably the best of their young players... not gonna happen. Dubnyk has been pretty good for them considering the opportunities they often give up. Miller would be a great fit for them, not unlike the kind of goaltending he provided in the Briere-Drury years. But now's not the time and Eberle isn't the price. Maybe if this were 3 years from now they would trade for a goalie of Miller's age/quality to solidify a contending team, but they wouldn't give up Eberle to do it.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
Maybe. One of the most important tasks the Sabres have is developing Cody Hodgson. I'd sign Vanek and/or Pominville to short term deals to ensure he developed. When the 2016-2017 season opens, he'll be 26 and going on 27, and developed enough to carry his line with ease. Until then, playing with Vanek and Pominville only eases his burden, and helps him develop.
Another huge task is developing Grigorenko. He needs the shelter of 3rd line minutes, which he's getting with VHP drawing the toughest opponents. The need for a two-way line notwithstanding, Grigorenko is way better off with VHP playing the tough minutes, which they can handle, and Grigorenko developing against weaker competition. He'll be 22-23 during 2016-2017, and developed enough to where he won't need as much sheltering.
With these points in mind, I'd resign Vanek and Pominville to 2-3 year extensions. I see both as assets to assist the development of other players. If they're part of the future team, great, but it's not essential.
Timbo Slice
Roaring back
Pominville replaces Eberle and is a defensively responsible, two way forward. Miller is a stud for them for the next 5 years or so. If they want to contend soon before all their young talent start to come up for long term deals, they would be wise to make a move like this.
If they want to switch in Yakupov, Hall, or RNH instead that would be fine
If they want to switch in Yakupov, Hall, or RNH instead that would be fine
ZZamboni
Puttin' on the Foil
So Miller will be a stud for them for 5 years, but not a stud for the Sabres for 5 years? Confused. 
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Gerstmann 3:16
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Theyre both 30 and this might be their last shot at 5+ mil dollar contracts. Think 5-max not 2-3. Darcy offers 3 year deals and they both probably walk with incredibly miserable things to say about ownership. At least if I was my teams star forward and I got offered short term deals, purty pissed.
Timbo Slice
Roaring back
So Miller will be a stud for them for 5 years, but not a stud for the Sabres for 5 years? Confused.
We're in rebuild mode. The Oilers are, realistically, closer than us at this point.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
True. Did the new CBA rule out front-loaded deals? If not, I'd make the offers front loaded, so if neither is needed on the 2016 team, they can be moved easier.
that's simply not realistic though... why would vanek/pommer sign a short term deal? they will be 30+, and facing the last significant pay day of their career. You are suggesting that they will take a below market deal to stay in buffalo. it's just not logical. Is that what Briere did? And the Sabres were a contender at that time.
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Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
Yeah, guess that shoots some holes in my concept. Maybe just sign to normal contract extensions, five years, and trade if necessary. Developing Hodgson and Grigorenko are important enough to me that I'd keep both.
What about something similar to Columbus? Would it be possible to pry their 2013 1st away from them?
Paxon
202? Stanley Cup Champions
If you're Columbus, what do you want Ryan Miller for? The only possible reason is because he is something of a 'name' to casual US fans due to the Olympics, and that might help attendance. It certainly won't help them rebuild to give up assets to get Ryan Miller and they still won't be any good with him.
buffalowing88
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They're too far away from competing and that fan base isn't nearly as demanding as Edmontons to demand a winner.
We got a 1st for Gaustad.
Why would you trade Pommer, a two-way top-line (top-6 at worst) forward for a pick that's likely going to be 20-30th???
A 1st (in the 20s), very good prospect (not gonna be a blue chipper) and a depth player... I could live with that.
I think you're talking about the only three players who would be worth a damn as vets on our team in three or four years.
Of course, no one is untouchable, and I'd entertain offers in hope of getting one that couldn't be refused.
Of course, no one is untouchable, and I'd entertain offers in hope of getting one that couldn't be refused.
Lindy Puff
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My rebuild
Trade Pommer 5th for a 1st and 2nd (possible cap dump) from pittsburgh
Trade Miller Sulzer for halak 1st
Trade Vanek and enroth 3rd for briere Bryzgalov 1st
Trade 1st (from pitt) and 1st (from St. louis) for ROR and sign him
Trade leo for 2nd
Resign Regier 1 year 4.5 million
resign scott 2 years 2 million
resign porter 1year 1 million
Resign weber and brennan 2 years 2 million
tank this season draft good
in free agency add in leader ship one of the next two offer iginla 2 years 20 million he cant turn that down if he does option #2
offer brendan morrow 2 years 12 million
in free agency also add scoring offer perry and getzlaf matching contract trying to add both but if you only add one thats also fine but id offer whatever we could for them
if we miss out on one or both of them offer semin 1 or 2 years at 7 million each year
open 2014 with an opening roster of
Leino-Hodgson-Briere
Foligno-ROR-Ott
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Gerbe/scott-Porter/McCormick-Kaleta
Myers-Regier
Ehrhoff-Sekera
Mcnabb-Brennan
Bryzgalov/Halak
IF ANYONE SIGNS IN FREE AGENCY ABOVE ADD THEM IN HOW YOU THINK
Would also have 2 1st round picks
and also have 3 seconds to use to trade during the draft
Trade Pommer 5th for a 1st and 2nd (possible cap dump) from pittsburgh
Trade Miller Sulzer for halak 1st
Trade Vanek and enroth 3rd for briere Bryzgalov 1st
Trade 1st (from pitt) and 1st (from St. louis) for ROR and sign him
Trade leo for 2nd
Resign Regier 1 year 4.5 million
resign scott 2 years 2 million
resign porter 1year 1 million
Resign weber and brennan 2 years 2 million
tank this season draft good
in free agency add in leader ship one of the next two offer iginla 2 years 20 million he cant turn that down if he does option #2
offer brendan morrow 2 years 12 million
in free agency also add scoring offer perry and getzlaf matching contract trying to add both but if you only add one thats also fine but id offer whatever we could for them
if we miss out on one or both of them offer semin 1 or 2 years at 7 million each year
open 2014 with an opening roster of
Leino-Hodgson-Briere
Foligno-ROR-Ott
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Gerbe/scott-Porter/McCormick-Kaleta
Myers-Regier
Ehrhoff-Sekera
Mcnabb-Brennan
Bryzgalov/Halak
IF ANYONE SIGNS IN FREE AGENCY ABOVE ADD THEM IN HOW YOU THINK
Would also have 2 1st round picks
and also have 3 seconds to use to trade during the draft
Lindy Puff
Registered User
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Gerstmann 3:16
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sba
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The Pens won't take on any salary beyond this year since they have to resign Letang and Malkin, so Poms won't go there
Wisent42
Registered User
I always liked Miller, and he's still very good, but will he ever be Vezina-good again? I don't have the stats to back it up, but I just don't feel that secure with Miller as I used to. Of cource, part of that falls on the D too, but a couple of years ago, Miller always gave me the feeling that he'd stop any shot. Not anymore. If we had more faith in our backup and/or goalie pipeline, I think the thought of trading Miller would be easier to conseive.
Pommers is probably underappreciated. He's useful at both ends and in most situation. He doesn't have anything that sticks out; he's not the fastest, the toughest, the best dangler or the hardest shooter, but he's very good at being allround.
Vanek on the other hand has some unique skills. His accurate shot, his instinct around the net. Plus he's a good passer and has good vision. Overall good hockeysense. While not the fastest and pretty banged up over the years, I think Vanek will be useful for a long time still. He doesn't need speed to score Holmström-style, and he could possibly transform into more of a playmaker with a young talented speedster on his line.
While I really don't want to part with any of these players, I think Miller and Pominville are replaceable and should give some good return. I'd keep Vanek and concider giving him the C.
Am I a fanboy? Sure. Wanna hold it against me? Be my guest.
Pommers is probably underappreciated. He's useful at both ends and in most situation. He doesn't have anything that sticks out; he's not the fastest, the toughest, the best dangler or the hardest shooter, but he's very good at being allround.
Vanek on the other hand has some unique skills. His accurate shot, his instinct around the net. Plus he's a good passer and has good vision. Overall good hockeysense. While not the fastest and pretty banged up over the years, I think Vanek will be useful for a long time still. He doesn't need speed to score Holmström-style, and he could possibly transform into more of a playmaker with a young talented speedster on his line.
While I really don't want to part with any of these players, I think Miller and Pominville are replaceable and should give some good return. I'd keep Vanek and concider giving him the C.
Am I a fanboy? Sure. Wanna hold it against me? Be my guest.
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